An Open Letter to MMJ,
I just wanted to share the experience I had with your CD, Z. I had heard a lot about MMJ and was excited to hear you. So I went out in December 2006
dropped 18 bucks on your latest CD (at the time???).
Like most people, I do most of my listening on an iPOD. So I proceeded to TRY and import your disk to itunes and ended up with two partially transferred songs that techically could not be played.
I always wondered what the problem was, and was recently enlightened that the source of the issue was a hokey copy protection scheme.
CONGRATULATIONS, you actually PREVENTED from listening to your music, in exchange for my $18.
THANK YOU FOR APPRECIATING ME AS A CUSTOMER
YOU WILL NEVER GET ANOTHER DIME OUT OF ME.
I spend considerable amounts on music annually. (ask my wife) In essence you/Newberry Comics/Sony split my 18 bucks through some complicated formula, and left me with a very shitty experience.
One that seriuosly tainted my first impression of you. Remember,
"You never have a second chance, to make a first impression"
I was actually prevented me from listening to your music, that I PURCHASED.
For $18, you are now guaranteed no future earnings from me, NICE INVESTMENT.
Talk about selling your soul to the devil.
To quote my hero in this regard(Jeff Tweedy), "Treating your audience like thieves is absurd." He went on somewhere else to say that, as an artist, preventing people from hearing your music is fundamentally stupid.
Here are my Dr Seuss inspired thoughts on where I stand with your music....
"I will not buy your music for my house."
"I will not buy your music with a mouse."
"I will not buy your music for my car."
"Nor come to hear your music in some bar"
"I will not by your music online"
"nor anyplace, where I stand in line"
"I will not hear My Morning Jacket"
"For All I know it's just a racket"
I realize that Sony is likely resposible for this but regardless who is to blame, first impressions are everything.
I'll go on to note that the next time I have a disk in my hand, and I see the Sony logo,
i'll really think twice about handing my money to an entity that regards true music fans with suspicion.
The only way I will listen to MMJ from this point on will be by stealing it. I tried to buy
and it didn't workout for me.
Earth to The Music Industry, the Genie Is Out Of The Bottle....
Sincerely,
KD
Hello KD,
the copy protection sucked but it wasn't the band or management's decision. They were told it wasn't gonna be a problem to import it into itunes so when it turned out it was, they were as angry about it as you are. The minute they found out they did everything they could to solve this. So there's no reason to take this out on the band because they feel the same way about it as you do.
take a minute to read this:
http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2005/10/drm_crippled_cd.html
Have you seriously been stewing about this for a year and a half? Build a bridge, dude; get over it.
I'm not sure the band can be blamed for things the record label wants to do. It's understandable why recrod labels want to protect their investments, espcially with all of the file-sharing that has gone on in the last six or eight years.
Here's a suggestion for the future...buy stuff on iTunes, because you won't have to worry about it syncing with your iPod.
Welcome to the board REM5REM. It's to bad your pointing your hostility at the Band and not the label. Nifty Dr Seuss rhyme. I spend $ 80.00 a week in gasoline, can you make up a rhyme about that. You should consider taking your $ 600.00 rebate check from the government and buying everything JACKET, you won't be disappointed. Look at it more like a donation to the band for all their hard work and filling our ears with peanut buttery goodness.
Dear dumbass,
The band was REALLY pissed that the label did this without their permission. My memory is they even offered to send out new burned copies of the disc. Good job registering on the board of one of the most fan-friendly bands out there just to bitch about an issue that has A) been resolved and B) is two and a half years old. Next time, find out what you're talking about first.
Oh, and Jeff Tweedy loves MMJ.
Mine, that I bought a few months after it came out, ripped into itunes just fine.
Jeez stew much...It's not like the band controls the actual pressing of their discs or what the record label does with them.
Hold your SHIFT KEY down when you insert your CD. I ripped mine into Itunes without any problem, and I did have one of the "protected" discs.
$18 for a cd? Where do you live? Botzwana?
;D.....Botzwana.... ;D
I'm gonna invest in some idiot protection software :P
guys,
I enjoyed all your posts...
but frankly I don't have time to fiddle fuck around holding this and pressing that... especially for something I bought...
regarding the "dumbass" and "idiot proof" software comments...
what exactly am I guilty of... WTF did I do wrong...
keep in mind I am not glued to these guys every move, like you guys are... (which I can respect)
I tried.. and it didn't work out
LOOK ME IN THE EYES AND TELL ME... ARE YOU SATISFIED.... IM SO, IM SO UNSATISFIED...
if someone could hook me up with an unprotected disk... i will gladly retract my comments... and give em a listen... till then i'm out of here....
This is a place to get it out of my system... I did not stew for long... there is so much good music out there, you should not have to work so hard for the experience...
that is my point...
rem5rem
If I recall, there were several albums that came out around the same time that all had copyright protection. David Gray, Trey Anastasio, etc. However, they quit doing that do to legal issues. You're doing yourself a great injustice by writing off the Jacket over some bullshit like this.
" what exactly am I guilty of... WTF did I do wrong... "
You came on a band web site to bitch about something that is out of ours & the bands control, and the issue was resolved. What do expect, It sounds like you want us to buy your affection with a CD. GO POUND SAND.
ADIOS :-*
Welcome to the board!Quote
first impressions are everything.
You're absolutely right. Try a more friendly approach next time, it will get you a lot further.
(Listens to "Z" in iTunes)
Quoteguys,
good music out there, you should not have to work so hard for the experience...
that is my point...
rem5rem
because its SO hard to just put in a CD player. this technology does STILL exist.
Quoteguys,
if someone could hook me up with an unprotected disk... i will gladly retract my comments... and give em a listen... till then i'm out of here....
rem5rem
So...
Are you saying... That.... If no one hooks you up with an unprotected disk... then we won't run the chance... of actually meeting you at a show?...
I don't know why... I put all the... in there. I felt compelled...
...
Jon...That may be...my favorite post....off all time...
Why I would want to be a fan of a band whose fans are so downright mean.
I am checking out of this electronic circle jerk. It has been fun.
Eric the Midget
man, that initial post was like one of those things where a post card gets delivered mysteriously 30 years after it was sent. And to think I spent a good month complaining about the copyright BS when Z came out in 1987, when I sould have waited until now to complain. Anyways, some gems posted in response, I must say:
I spend $ 80.00 a week in gasoline, can you make up a rhyme about that. (Tater)
$18 for a cd? Where do you live? Botzwana? (Nikko)
but frankly I don't have time to fiddle fuck around holding this and pressing that... especially for something I bought... (rem)
Are you saying... That.... If no one hooks you up with an unprotected disk... then we won't run the chance... of actually meeting you at a show?... (Jon)
classic...
QuoteQuoteguys,
good music out there, you should not have to work so hard for the experience...
that is my point...
rem5rem
because its SO hard to just put in a CD player. this technology does STILL exist.
Oh, I thought those took the same road as Betamax...
QuoteWhy I would want to be a fan of a band whose fans are so downright mean.
I am checking out of this electronic circle jerk. It has been fun.
Eric the Midget
If you weren't too busy shitting all over everything, you would realize that this band has some of the best, and nicest fans out there.
That was just weird. And, I thought only famous people did "open letters".
To quote Tracy, sheesh.
Oh my gosh, congrats on coming out of your coma. What a special week for you. Just so you know the economy is in the tank and wait until you hear this! A woman and an african american are front runners for the presidency! I know, I know, we've come along way in the last couple of years!
Oh one more thing, be sure and throw away any music you have of the following artists immediately!!!!
1 Alicia Keys Unplugged 82876674242
82876731662
2 Amici Forever Defined 82876688832
3 Babyface Grown & Sexy 82876705682
4 Black Rebel Motorcycle Club Howl 8287671601
5 Britney Spears Hitme - Remix 82876740622
6 Cassidy I'm A Hustla 82876687072
82876680732
7 Chris Brown Chris Brown
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8 Cook, Dixon & Young Volume One 82876673342
9 David Gray Life In Slow Motion 82876710682
10 Dido Dido Live 82876658099
11 Faithless Forever Faithless/ENH 82876710142
12 Imogen Heap Speak For Yourself 82876725322
13 Judd & Maggie Subjects 82876692492
14 Leo Kottke/Mike Gordon Sixty Six Steps 82876689092
15 Maroon 5 Live 82876709742
82876699522
16 My Morning Jacket Z 82876710672
17 Raheem Devaughn The Love Experience 82876537232
18 Santana All That I Am 82876597732
19 Sarah McLachlan Bloom (Remix Album) 82876697982
20 Stellastarr* Harmonies for the Haunted 82876688812
21 Syleena Johnson Chapter 3: The Flesh 82876610932
22 T-Pain Rappa Ternt Sanga 82876734472
82876732002
23 Various So Amazing: An All Star Tribute To
Luther Vandross 82876624722
24 Various Songs Brown Hotel 82876714112
25 Wakefield Which Side Are You On? 82876685072
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26 Charlie Wilson Charlie, Last Name Wilson 82876694292
27 YoungBloodZ Everybody Know Me 82876733402
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Canada
1 Alicia Keys Unplugged 82876674242
82876731662
2 Amici Forever Defined 82876688832
3 Babyface Grown & Sexy 82876705682
4 Britney Spears Hitme - Remix 82876740622
5 Cassidy I'm A Hustla 82876680732
6 Charlie Wilson Charlie, Last Name Wilson 82876694292
7 Chris Brown Chris Brown 82876733222
8 David Gray Life In Slow Motion 82876710682
9 Imogen Heap Speak For Yourself 82876725322
10 Judd & Maggie Subjects 82876692492
11 Leo Kottke/Mike Gordon Sixty Six Steps 82876689092
12 Maroon 5 Live Friday the 13th 82876709742
13 Melissa O'Neil Melissa O'Neil 82876751572
14 My Morning Jacket Z 82876710672
15 Our Lady Peace Healthy In Paranoid Times CK94777
16 Santana All That I Am 82876597732
17 Say Anything ...Is A Real Boy 82876716682
18 Stellastarr* Harmonies for the Haunted 82876688812
19 Syleena Johnson Chapter 3: The Flesh 82876610932
20 The Trews Den of Thieves 82876711162
21 T-Pain Rappa Ternt Sanga 82876732002
22 Various Canadian Idol High Notes 82876711202
23 Various Tribute To Luther 82876624722
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I'm going to reserve judgment on the poor guy. He probably has special needs. I personally don't think he could handle being a fan, the initiation alone would be to traumatic for him.
Being dragged naked by a team of Llamas thru peanut butter, then running thru a gauntlet where everyone throws peeps & shaved off facial hair at him.
The way I see it is that it's a cd to be listened to in a cd player. And as long as It does that then you've got your money's worth (and Plus it's Z so you definitely got your money's worth). Plus if it wasn't the bands decision and they were really mad then it also goes to show that they care about their fans and want to get their music out to them any way possible.
all,
I apologize. In hindsight, with all that is wrong with the world right now, my trivial little bitching seems kind of silly in the grand scheme of things.
what actually happenned was a good friend made me an MMJ compilation recently, and I started to enjoy it. I completely forgot that whole Z experience, and listening to the comp, caused me to rewind and ask why that disk didn't work. In casual conversation someone hipped me to the DRM Sony logo thing, that I was not aware of.
Then after being somewhat hungover from an excellent DBT show the other night, I found that jewel case, got pissed, and made what I thought(at the time) was a clever post. The point is, i had long given up on these guys, based on that experience.
It's kind of comical that I summed up the issue, with JT's help, almost 2 years after the debacle. It's that kind of timing that keeps me out of the stock market. I also picked a great place to vent eh? Also the irony of the first impression I made on you guys is not lost on me.
I sincerely apologize to all of you, I thank you for the education on what went down. I knew the issue was more with Sony, but didn't know MMJ's take on it, but had a feeling it wasn't there idea. However, that did not eliminate the frustration I had with the experience.
Point, for the folks who said the issue was dead and resolved, it wasn't resolved with me. I still never heard the record.
and now I can go on without any ill will toward you folks, and more importantly the band and become a fan myself.
Sincere Apologies,
Rem5Rem
PS: are the "..."'s irritation to read? it's an old habit.
Quoteall,
I apologize. In hindsight, with all that is wrong with the world right now, my trivial little bitching seems kind of silly in the grand scheme of things.
what actually happenned was a good friend made me an MMJ compilation recently, and I started to enjoy it. I completely forgot that whole Z experience, and listening to the comp, caused me to rewind and ask why that disk didn't work. In casual conversation someone hipped me to the DRM Sony logo thing, that I was not aware of.
Then after being somewhat hungover from an excellent DBT show the other night, I found that jewel case, got pissed, and made what I thought(at the time) was a clever post. The point is, i had long given up on these guys, based on that experience.
It's kind of comical that I summed up the issue, with JT's help, almost 2 years after the debacle. It's that kind of timing that keeps me out of the stock market. I also picked a great place to vent eh? Also the irony of the first impression I made on you guys is not lost on me.
I sincerely apologize to all of you, I thank you for the education on what went down. I knew the issue was more with Sony, but didn't know MMJ's take on it, but had a feeling it wasn't there idea. However, that did not eliminate the frustration I had with the experience.
Point, for the folks who said the issue was dead and resolved, it wasn't resolved with me. I still never heard the record.
and now I can go on without any ill will toward you folks, and more importantly the band and become a fan myself.
Sincere Apologies,
Rem5Rem
PS: are the "..."'s irritation to read? it's an old habit.
I think the funny thing is that this was over $18, how much did you spend on cigarettes or coffee last week? What I am trying to say is that the amount of joy that comes from music like MMJ or any other incredible artist is worth much more than $18. Looking back on my short life, I can honestly state that many of my happiest moments were focused around music. If you consider the amount of value you get from music, your $18 is of no percentage. I hope you someday realize what is important in life, and stop focusing on the little speedbumps. The fact that you still haven't listen to Z yet is pathetic, and I feel sorry that you have deprived yourself from such a wonderful human creation.
On a different note, I can't believe you still buy CDs...
QuoteWhy I would want to be a fan of a band whose fans are so downright mean.
I am checking out of this electronic circle jerk. It has been fun.
Eric the Midget
See what all of you meanies did? Feel good about yourself?? My Morning Jacket Fans = The meanest fans in the universe. On behalf of all fans of My Morning Jacket, I'd like to formally challange the fans of Anthrax to a rumble. That's right bitches.
My copy of Z went into Itunes without a hitch and I'm a moron.
QuoteQuoteQuoteguys,
good music out there, you should not have to work so hard for the experience...
that is my point...
rem5rem
because its SO hard to just put in a CD player. this technology does STILL exist.
Oh, I thought those took the same road as Betamax...
i still use my cd walkman. and somebody pointed out to me recently that once it dies, i may not be able to find another one without shelling out major dollars. and i might have to get an iPod. and i don't know if i want an iPod. i like cds, god damnit.
also:
QuoteBeing dragged naked by a team of Llamas thru peanut butter, then running thru a gauntlet where everyone throws peeps & shaved off facial hair at him.
you are seriously thinking about peanut butter a lot, hey? ;)
I know, it's gettin old, I am going to close that chapter. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. :)
Sometimes I get a tick and you have to smack me to get it to go away.
QuoteI know, it's gettin old, I am going to close that chapter. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. :)
Sometimes I get a tick and you have to smack me to get it to go away.
no smacks from me. i love that peanut butter joke. :)
Quote
i still use my cd walkman. and somebody pointed out to me recently that once it dies, i may not be able to find another one without shelling out major dollars. and i might have to get an iPod. and i don't know if i want an iPod. i like cds, god damnit.
I use my Walkman headphones w/my i-pod b/c the i-pod ear buds won't stay in my freaking ears and they hurt a little bit :-[
I love my i-pod, though. Once you go i-pod, you'll never go back...
yeah, that's what they tell me...
mostly it's that i'm cheap. i think my cd walkman is about 15 years old.
I'm with you rem5rem, this is bullshit! I also got burned by purchasing My Morning Jacket albums, and straight from the label (Badman) for that matter. I get the package in the mail and there's these huge black plastic plate-lookin' thingies that won't possibly go into my cassette player! And the booklet inside says they're all dead at the age of 24 or something. Thanks for nuthin, MMJ.
QuoteI'm with you rem5rem, this is bullshit! I also got burned by purchasing My Morning Jacket albums, and straight from the label (Badman) for that matter. I get the package in the mail and there's these huge black plastic plate-lookin' thingies that won't possibly go into my cassette player! And the booklet inside says they're all dead at the age of 24 or something. Thanks for nuthin, MMJ.
well try ordering At Dawn on 8-Track asshole! You want to talk about misery, I haven't heard 1 MMJ song yet b/c they refuse to put their collection out on 8-track!! Thanks for thinking only about yourself and the million dollar mansions you live in Jim James and you other asshole jackassessess
'nuf said >:(
QuoteQuoteI'm with you rem5rem, this is bullshit! I also got burned by purchasing My Morning Jacket albums, and straight from the label (Badman) for that matter. I get the package in the mail and there's these huge black plastic plate-lookin' thingies that won't possibly go into my cassette player! And the booklet inside says they're all dead at the age of 24 or something. Thanks for nuthin, MMJ.
well try ordering At Dawn on 8-Track asshole! You want to talk about misery, I haven't heard 1 MMJ song yet b/c they refuse to put their collection out on 8-track!! Thanks for thinking only about yourself and the million dollar mansions you live in Jim James and you other asshole jackassessess
'nuf said >:(
Don't even get me started about their refusal to release Okonokos on Laserdisc. Why wouldn't you? It's a bigger DVD. Bigger is fucking better dammit!!
ISO: Acoustic Citsuoca on reel-to-reel
QuoteQuoteQuoteI'm with you rem5rem, this is bullshit! I also got burned by purchasing My Morning Jacket albums, and straight from the label (Badman) for that matter. I get the package in the mail and there's these huge black plastic plate-lookin' thingies that won't possibly go into my cassette player! And the booklet inside says they're all dead at the age of 24 or something. Thanks for nuthin, MMJ.
well try ordering At Dawn on 8-Track asshole! You want to talk about misery, I haven't heard 1 MMJ song yet b/c they refuse to put their collection out on 8-track!! Thanks for thinking only about yourself and the million dollar mansions you live in Jim James and you other asshole jackassessess
'nuf said >:(
Don't even get me started about their refusal to release Okonokos on Laserdisc. Why wouldn't you? It's a bigger DVD. Bigger is fucking better dammit!!
a guy banging out Tennessee Fire using smoke signals on a mountain 6 miles away...
does anyone have "it still moves" on a phonograph that i can borrow? i was going to have thomas edison make me a copy of it. he said something about possibly using rubber made of golden rod and something about a so called "light bulb" to see instead of the wonders of candle light. that crazy fucker anyway!
we are going to cruise around in my brand new model T and listen to it. see if we can see any woman ankle and/or wrist....ooohhhh yeah!!!!
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteguys,
good music out there, you should not have to work so hard for the experience...
that is my point...
rem5rem
because its SO hard to just put in a CD player. this technology does STILL exist.
Oh, I thought those took the same road as Betamax...
i still use my cd walkman. and somebody pointed out to me recently that once it dies, i may not be able to find another one without shelling out major dollars. and i might have to get an iPod. and i don't know if i want an iPod. i like cds, god damnit.
also:
QuoteBeing dragged naked by a team of Llamas thru peanut butter, then running thru a gauntlet where everyone throws peeps & shaved off facial hair at him.
you are seriously thinking about peanut butter a lot, hey? ;)
you can have my old one for free, i think it still works.
damn, you guys are way high tech. I've been trying to get my town's chamber singers to come over and do At Dawn for me, but they've been "busy" for the past three wekends... I've picked out a couple tunes on my cornet, but it's just not the same...
Quotedoes anyone have "it still moves" on a phonograph that i can borrow? i was going to have thomas edison make me a copy of it. he said something about possibly using rubber made of golden rod and something about a so called "light bulb" to see instead of the wonders of candle light. that crazy fucker anyway!
we are going to cruise around in my brand new model T and listen to it. see if we can see any woman ankle and/or wrist....ooohhhh yeah!!!!
Well count me in! I'll have to dust off the old penny loafers and shine my new spectacle. Nothing gets a man more ankle than a freshly polished eye piece! ;)
Quotedamn, you guys are way high tech. I've been trying to get my town's chamber singers to come over and do At Dawn for me, but they've been "busy" for the past three wekends... I've picked out a couple tunes on my cornet, but it's just not the same...
umm, i'm coming over next time that happens please.
Quote
you can have my old one for free, i think it still works.
you are
NICE :)
Slow down people...I'm still watching the interpretive dance of Strangulation! that my tribe is performing. Man this is great...much better than that old sandpainting we used to watch.
ooog! krispee get tenesee fire from momojak in cave next mountain for 5 wooly mammoth tusk! but it no sound in krispee cave! after bash momojak skull with rock, krispee see on cave wall:
Source: SDB > momojak ear
Transfer: momojak ear > momojak hand > flint > wood shaving > stick > fire
krispee no understand! take wooly mammoth tusk back, leave stupid fire
Alright you guys and gals--you know that dead horse you been beatin'? well its a pile of dust now, so g'won and leave it rest in peace y'hear? thank yee ;)
Meh, but I was having fun :P
(http://images.mccoveychronicles.com/images/admin/BeatDeadHorse.gif)
sure, I'll let it rest.
but only after I return from the desert, nude, after having War Begun appear before me in the thin, hot air...
(bastards!)
damn. no mitosis jokes.
Quotedamn. no mitosis jokes.
That's funny! We should take it all the way to the molecular level.
QuoteQuotedamn. no mitosis jokes.
That's funny! We should take it all the way to the molecular level.
Maybe rem5rem should have just held the cd to his head and see if he could absorb the music through osmosis...there you go
AAhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! The good ol' days; 6 years ago with the Sony Z fiasco and a whole bunch of smart asses and assholes ready to pounce! Reading this thread was like a breath of fresh air.
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Mar 18, 2014, 08:04 AM
AAhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! The good ol' days; 6 years ago with the Sony Z fiasco and a whole bunch of smart asses and assholes ready to pounce! Reading this thread was like a breath of fresh air.
Whoa, I was kind of a dick back then.
My favorite post...
Quote from: Crispy on Mar 25, 2008, 12:45 PM
ooog! krispee get tenesee fire from momojak in cave next mountain for 5 wooly mammoth tusk! but it no sound in krispee cave! after bash momojak skull with rock, krispee see on cave wall:
Source: SDB > momojak ear
Transfer: momojak ear > momojak hand > flint > wood shaving > stick > fire
krispee no understand! take wooly mammoth tusk back, leave stupid fire
Quote from: Taterbug on Mar 18, 2014, 12:28 PM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Mar 18, 2014, 08:04 AM
AAhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! The good ol' days; 6 years ago with the Sony Z fiasco and a whole bunch of smart asses and assholes ready to pounce! Reading this thread was like a breath of fresh air.
Whoa, I was kind of a dick back then.
I knew I was a dick; I just forgot how much of a dick everyone else was, too.
Quote from: johnnYYac on Mar 18, 2014, 01:17 PM
My favorite post...
Quote from: Crispy on Mar 25, 2008, 12:45 PM
ooog! krispee get tenesee fire from momojak in cave next mountain for 5 wooly mammoth tusk! but it no sound in krispee cave! after bash momojak skull with rock, krispee see on cave wall:
Source: SDB > momojak ear
Transfer: momojak ear > momojak hand > flint > wood shaving > stick > fire
krispee no understand! take wooly mammoth tusk back, leave stupid fire
I agree that's the overall winner
Quote from: rem5rem on Mar 23, 2008, 04:19 PM
This is a place to get it out of my system.
rem5rem
Pre-Circuital by a couple of years :shocked:
I see 2 problems right off the bat.
1) Jeff Tweedy is you're hero
2) Jeff Tweedy refers to HIMSELF
as an ARTIST!?!
That's hilarious!
Quote from: tippitoes22 on Mar 19, 2014, 03:35 PM
I see 2 problems right off the bat.
1) Jeff Tweedy is you're hero
2) Jeff Tweedy refers to HIMSELF
as an ARTIST!?!
That's hilarious!
I take it you aren't a Jeff Tweedy fan
Sincerely,
Captain Obvious
Quote from: tippitoes22 on Mar 19, 2014, 03:35 PM
I see 2 problems right off the bat.
1) Jeff Tweedy is your hero
2) Jeff Tweedy refers to HIMSELF
as an ARTIST!?!
That's hilarious!
I fixed your post because that's what I do here.
Thank you Tracy 2112 (assuming you're a Rush fan) for correcting my grammar. When ppl make mistakes with (their/there, your/you're), it drives me nuts too, and your correction kinda takes the wind outta my sarcastic sails. And I can appreciate ya bustin' my balls a little bit. HAZZAH! Well played, sir. I was just giving the guy a little shit. But being from Chicago, I live and breathe sarcasm. That being said, someone saying Jeff "vanilla, white bread, 2% milk, plain mayonnaise sandwich" Tweedy is their HERO (god I hope that's hyperbole) and He (Jeff Tweedy that is) refers to himself as "AN ARTIST", I think is HILARIOUS :grin:
That being said
1)Uncle tupelo was/is way better than wilco was/or will ever be
2)Wilco's best material was created when Jay Bennett was in the band
3)Son Volt is better than Wilco
4)Jeff Tweedy is a dick, as a person and to his fans, who line up every year,early, in the bitter Chicago cold, hoping to be one of the first 20 ppl in line, to get to request songs that he refuses to play or makes fun of some loyal fan for picking that song, or makes fun of the song(if it's a cover) far superior to anything he's ever penned, all the while talking about how he's so humble but bragging about how Martin has a "Jeff Tweedy" model!
Anyway...Hero? I haven't read anything about him running into a burning orphanage to save children (stay GOLDEN, Pony Boy)
And referring to ones self as an artist, especially coming mumbling out of his Vicodin filled mouth just makes him sound like a twat!
But that's just one guys opinion :) take it with a huge pinch of salt....
I wanna talk about "Heat", NOW...
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Mar 18, 2014, 02:09 PM
Quote from: johnnYYac on Mar 18, 2014, 01:17 PM
My favorite post...
Quote from: Crispy on Mar 25, 2008, 12:45 PM
ooog! krispee get tenesee fire from momojak in cave next mountain for 5 wooly mammoth tusk! but it no sound in krispee cave! after bash momojak skull with rock, krispee see on cave wall:
Source: SDB > momojak ear
Transfer: momojak ear > momojak hand > flint > wood shaving > stick > fire
krispee no understand! take wooly mammoth tusk back, leave stupid fire
I agree that's the overall winner
Too good sir
Quote from: tippitoes22 on Mar 19, 2014, 10:10 PM
Thank you Tracy 2112(assuming you're a Rush fan) for correcting my grammar. When ppl make mistakes with (their/there, your/you're), it drives me nuts too, and your correction kinda takes the wind outta my sarcastic sails. And I can appreciate ya bustin' my balls a little bit. HAZZAH! Well played, sir. I was just giving the guy a little shit. But being from Chicago, I live and breathe sarcasm. That being said, someone saying Jeff "vanilla, white bread, 2% milk, plain mayonnaise sandwich" Tweedy is there HERO(god I hope that's hyperbole) and He (Jeff Tweedy that is) refers himself as "AN ARTIST", I think is HILARIOUS :grin:
That being said
1)Uncle tupelo was/is way better than wilco was/or will ever be
2)Wilco's best material was created when Jay Bennett was in the band
3)Son Volt is better than Wilco
4)Jeff Tweedy is a dick, as a person and to his fans, who line up every year,early, in the bitter Chicago cold, hoping to be one of the first 20 ppl in line, to get to request songs that he refuses to play or makes fun of some loyal fan for picking that song, or makes fun of the song(if it's a cover) far superior to anything he's ever penned, all the while talking about how he's so humble but bragging about how Martin has a "Jeff Tweedy" model!
Anyway...Hero? I haven't read anything about him running into a burning orphanage to save children (stay GOLDEN, Pony Boy)
And referring to ones self as an artist, especially coming mumbling out of his Vicodin filled mouth just makes him sound like a twat!
But that's just one guys opinion :) take it with a huge pinch of salt....
Jeff Tweedy writes lyrical circles around Jim James; sorry.
And WILCO is better than Uncle Tupelo. Uncle Tupelo had 1 good album. And WILCO is better than post 1998 Son Volt. Son Volt had 2 good albums.
WILCO has 613,337 Facebook likes
These aren't my opinions; these are just plain facts.
However, you are correct to say WILCO's best music happened when J. Bennett was there (even though A Ghost is Born ain't too shabby).
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Mar 20, 2014, 06:45 PM
Quote from: tippitoes22 on Mar 19, 2014, 10:10 PM
Thank you Tracy 2112(assuming you're a Rush fan) for correcting my grammar. When ppl make mistakes with (their/there, your/you're), it drives me nuts too, and your correction kinda takes the wind outta my sarcastic sails. And I can appreciate ya bustin' my balls a little bit. HAZZAH! Well played, sir. I was just giving the guy a little shit. But being from Chicago, I live and breathe sarcasm. That being said, someone saying Jeff "vanilla, white bread, 2% milk, plain mayonnaise sandwich" Tweedy is there HERO(god I hope that's hyperbole) and He (Jeff Tweedy that is) refers himself as "AN ARTIST", I think is HILARIOUS :grin:
That being said
1)Uncle tupelo was/is way better than wilco was/or will ever be
2)Wilco's best material was created when Jay Bennett was in the band
3)Son Volt is better than Wilco
4)Jeff Tweedy is a dick, as a person and to his fans, who line up every year,early, in the bitter Chicago cold, hoping to be one of the first 20 ppl in line, to get to request songs that he refuses to play or makes fun of some loyal fan for picking that song, or makes fun of the song(if it's a cover) far superior to anything he's ever penned, all the while talking about how he's so humble but bragging about how Martin has a "Jeff Tweedy" model!
Anyway...Hero? I haven't read anything about him running into a burning orphanage to save children (stay GOLDEN, Pony Boy)
And referring to ones self as an artist, especially coming mumbling out of his Vicodin filled mouth just makes him sound like a twat!
But that's just one guys opinion :) take it with a huge pinch of salt....
Jeff Tweedy writes lyrical circles around Jim James; sorry.
And WILCO is better than Uncle Tupelo. Uncle Tupelo had 1 good album. And WILCO is better than post 1998 Son Volt. Son Volt had 2 good albums.
WILCO has 613,337 Facebook likes
These aren't my opinions; these are just plain facts.
However, you are correct to say WILCO's best music happened when J. Bennett was there (even though A Ghost is Born ain't too shabby).
So now opinions and Facebook likes are facts?
"Jeff Tweedy writes lyrical circles around Jim James; sorry." What does that prove. Jim writes songs that make Tweedy's sound like the Ramones playing the same song 40 different ways. I am pretty sure Jim has established lyrics are his last priority, after overall sound. Would you rather listen to words, or rock out to Lay Low? I have absolutely no idea what that song is about, and it doesn't matter one bit to me.
Quote from: rincon2 on Mar 21, 2014, 12:03 PM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Mar 20, 2014, 06:45 PM
Quote from: tippitoes22 on Mar 19, 2014, 10:10 PM
Thank you Tracy 2112(assuming you're a Rush fan) for correcting my grammar. When ppl make mistakes with (their/there, your/you're), it drives me nuts too, and your correction kinda takes the wind outta my sarcastic sails. And I can appreciate ya bustin' my balls a little bit. HAZZAH! Well played, sir. I was just giving the guy a little shit. But being from Chicago, I live and breathe sarcasm. That being said, someone saying Jeff "vanilla, white bread, 2% milk, plain mayonnaise sandwich" Tweedy is there HERO(god I hope that's hyperbole) and He (Jeff Tweedy that is) refers himself as "AN ARTIST", I think is HILARIOUS :grin:
That being said
1)Uncle tupelo was/is way better than wilco was/or will ever be
2)Wilco's best material was created when Jay Bennett was in the band
3)Son Volt is better than Wilco
4)Jeff Tweedy is a dick, as a person and to his fans, who line up every year,early, in the bitter Chicago cold, hoping to be one of the first 20 ppl in line, to get to request songs that he refuses to play or makes fun of some loyal fan for picking that song, or makes fun of the song(if it's a cover) far superior to anything he's ever penned, all the while talking about how he's so humble but bragging about how Martin has a "Jeff Tweedy" model!
Anyway...Hero? I haven't read anything about him running into a burning orphanage to save children (stay GOLDEN, Pony Boy)
And referring to ones self as an artist, especially coming mumbling out of his Vicodin filled mouth just makes him sound like a twat!
But that's just one guys opinion :) take it with a huge pinch of salt....
Jeff Tweedy writes lyrical circles around Jim James; sorry.
And WILCO is better than Uncle Tupelo. Uncle Tupelo had 1 good album. And WILCO is better than post 1998 Son Volt. Son Volt had 2 good albums.
WILCO has 613,337 Facebook likes
These aren't my opinions; these are just plain facts.
However, you are correct to say WILCO's best music happened when J. Bennett was there (even though A Ghost is Born ain't too shabby).
So now opinions and Facebook likes are facts?
"Jeff Tweedy writes lyrical circles around Jim James; sorry." What does that prove. Jim writes songs that make Tweedy's sound like the Ramones playing the same song 40 different ways. I am pretty sure Jim has established lyrics are his last priority, after overall sound. Would you rather listen to words, or rock out to Lay Low? I have absolutely no idea what that song is about, and it doesn't matter one bit to me.
You either sound like the Ramones playing the same chords or you don't. There's no comparative analysis with any band that reduces the WILCO soundscapes to 3 chords; that's just silly. I have jammed out to WILCO shows, not as much as MMJ shows, I'll give you that, however, I was addressing tippitoes nonsense that Tweedy is a hack and then you jumped in with some silliness that WILCO having 613,337 Likes is my opinion. :grin:
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Mar 21, 2014, 03:03 PM
Quote from: rincon2 on Mar 21, 2014, 12:03 PM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Mar 20, 2014, 06:45 PM
Quote from: tippitoes22 on Mar 19, 2014, 10:10 PM
Thank you Tracy 2112(assuming you're a Rush fan) for correcting my grammar. When ppl make mistakes with (their/there, your/you're), it drives me nuts too, and your correction kinda takes the wind outta my sarcastic sails. And I can appreciate ya bustin' my balls a little bit. HAZZAH! Well played, sir. I was just giving the guy a little shit. But being from Chicago, I live and breathe sarcasm. That being said, someone saying Jeff "vanilla, white bread, 2% milk, plain mayonnaise sandwich" Tweedy is there HERO(god I hope that's hyperbole) and He (Jeff Tweedy that is) refers himself as "AN ARTIST", I think is HILARIOUS :grin:
That being said
1)Uncle tupelo was/is way better than wilco was/or will ever be
2)Wilco's best material was created when Jay Bennett was in the band
3)Son Volt is better than Wilco
4)Jeff Tweedy is a dick, as a person and to his fans, who line up every year,early, in the bitter Chicago cold, hoping to be one of the first 20 ppl in line, to get to request songs that he refuses to play or makes fun of some loyal fan for picking that song, or makes fun of the song(if it's a cover) far superior to anything he's ever penned, all the while talking about how he's so humble but bragging about how Martin has a "Jeff Tweedy" model!
Anyway...Hero? I haven't read anything about him running into a burning orphanage to save children (stay GOLDEN, Pony Boy)
And referring to ones self as an artist, especially coming mumbling out of his Vicodin filled mouth just makes him sound like a twat!
But that's just one guys opinion :) take it with a huge pinch of salt....
Jeff Tweedy writes lyrical circles around Jim James; sorry.
And WILCO is better than Uncle Tupelo. Uncle Tupelo had 1 good album. And WILCO is better than post 1998 Son Volt. Son Volt had 2 good albums.
WILCO has 613,337 Facebook likes
These aren't my opinions; these are just plain facts.
However, you are correct to say WILCO's best music happened when J. Bennett was there (even though A Ghost is Born ain't too shabby).
So now opinions and Facebook likes are facts?
"Jeff Tweedy writes lyrical circles around Jim James; sorry." What does that prove. Jim writes songs that make Tweedy's sound like the Ramones playing the same song 40 different ways. I am pretty sure Jim has established lyrics are his last priority, after overall sound. Would you rather listen to words, or rock out to Lay Low? I have absolutely no idea what that song is about, and it doesn't matter one bit to me.
You either sound like the Ramones playing the same chords or you don't. There's no comparative analysis with any band that reduces the WILCO soundscapes to 3 chords; that's just silly. I have jammed out to WILCO shows, not as much as MMJ shows, I'll give you that, however, I was addressing tippitoes nonsense that Tweedy is a hack and then you jumped in with some silliness that WILCO having 613,337 Likes is my opinion. :grin:
Having trouble with reading comprehension? You made blanket opinion statements you say are facts. The Facebook reference means you think the more likes something gets, it proves it is better. I guess Miley Cyrus belongs in the RNR HOF. The Ramones analogy was an exaggeration. Yup, I think it is a reading comprehension problem on your part.
Quote from: rincon2 on Mar 21, 2014, 05:02 PM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Mar 21, 2014, 03:03 PM
Quote from: rincon2 on Mar 21, 2014, 12:03 PM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Mar 20, 2014, 06:45 PM
Quote from: tippitoes22 on Mar 19, 2014, 10:10 PM
Thank you Tracy 2112(assuming you're a Rush fan) for correcting my grammar. When ppl make mistakes with (their/there, your/you're), it drives me nuts too, and your correction kinda takes the wind outta my sarcastic sails. And I can appreciate ya bustin' my balls a little bit. HAZZAH! Well played, sir. I was just giving the guy a little shit. But being from Chicago, I live and breathe sarcasm. That being said, someone saying Jeff "vanilla, white bread, 2% milk, plain mayonnaise sandwich" Tweedy is there HERO(god I hope that's hyperbole) and He (Jeff Tweedy that is) refers himself as "AN ARTIST", I think is HILARIOUS :grin:
That being said
1)Uncle tupelo was/is way better than wilco was/or will ever be
2)Wilco's best material was created when Jay Bennett was in the band
3)Son Volt is better than Wilco
4)Jeff Tweedy is a dick, as a person and to his fans, who line up every year,early, in the bitter Chicago cold, hoping to be one of the first 20 ppl in line, to get to request songs that he refuses to play or makes fun of some loyal fan for picking that song, or makes fun of the song(if it's a cover) far superior to anything he's ever penned, all the while talking about how he's so humble but bragging about how Martin has a "Jeff Tweedy" model!
Anyway...Hero? I haven't read anything about him running into a burning orphanage to save children (stay GOLDEN, Pony Boy)
And referring to ones self as an artist, especially coming mumbling out of his Vicodin filled mouth just makes him sound like a twat!
But that's just one guys opinion :) take it with a huge pinch of salt....
Jeff Tweedy writes lyrical circles around Jim James; sorry.
And WILCO is better than Uncle Tupelo. Uncle Tupelo had 1 good album. And WILCO is better than post 1998 Son Volt. Son Volt had 2 good albums.
WILCO has 613,337 Facebook likes
These aren't my opinions; these are just plain facts.
However, you are correct to say WILCO's best music happened when J. Bennett was there (even though A Ghost is Born ain't too shabby).
So now opinions and Facebook likes are facts?
"Jeff Tweedy writes lyrical circles around Jim James; sorry." What does that prove. Jim writes songs that make Tweedy's sound like the Ramones playing the same song 40 different ways. I am pretty sure Jim has established lyrics are his last priority, after overall sound. Would you rather listen to words, or rock out to Lay Low? I have absolutely no idea what that song is about, and it doesn't matter one bit to me.
You either sound like the Ramones playing the same chords or you don't. There's no comparative analysis with any band that reduces the WILCO soundscapes to 3 chords; that's just silly. I have jammed out to WILCO shows, not as much as MMJ shows, I'll give you that, however, I was addressing tippitoes nonsense that Tweedy is a hack and then you jumped in with some silliness that WILCO having 613,337 Likes is my opinion. :grin:
Having trouble with reading comprehension? You made blanket opinion statements you say are facts. The Facebook reference means you think the more likes something gets, it proves it is better. I guess Miley Cyrus belongs in the RNR HOF. The Ramones analogy was an exaggeration. Yup, I think it is a reading comprehension problem on your part.
Who said anything about Miley Cyrus? YOU are the one reading something into my WILCO Facebook stats. I simply stated how many followers they have, which is a fact.
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My apologies Tracy. I mixed up reading comprehension problems with inability to think abstractly.
Quote from: rincon2 on Mar 21, 2014, 06:47 PM
My apologies Tracy. I mixed up reading comprehension problems with inability to think abstractly.
np
Wilco
613,420 likes
Miley Cyrus
45,088,780 likes
Ice Cream
21,940,641 likes
Creed
3,654,145 likes
New York Yankees
7,121,763 likes
Bud Light
7,301,255 likes
Salad
584,020 people likes
Sharon Van Etten
47,894 likes
Quote from: Crispy on Mar 21, 2014, 09:21 PM
Wilco
613,420 likes
Miley Cyrus
45,088,780 likes
Ice Cream
21,940,641 likes
Creed
3,654,145 likes
New York Yankees
7,121,763 likes
Bud Light
7,301,255 likes
Salad
584,020 people likes
Sharon Van Etten
47,894 likes
The Cartographers- 579 likes
the cartographers - take to the seas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW_i9pfz2Po#)
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Mar 22, 2014, 08:25 AM
Quote from: Crispy on Mar 21, 2014, 09:21 PM
Wilco
613,420 likes
Miley Cyrus
45,088,780 likes
Ice Cream
21,940,641 likes
Creed
3,654,145 likes
New York Yankees
7,121,763 likes
Bud Light
7,301,255 likes
Salad
584,020 people likes
Sharon Van Etten
47,894 likes
The Cartographers- 579 likes
the cartographers - take to the seas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW_i9pfz2Po#)
Cartography 13,842 likes
Quote from: Fully on Mar 22, 2014, 08:45 AM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Mar 22, 2014, 08:25 AM
Quote from: Crispy on Mar 21, 2014, 09:21 PM
Wilco
613,420 likes
Miley Cyrus
45,088,780 likes
Ice Cream
21,940,641 likes
Creed
3,654,145 likes
New York Yankees
7,121,763 likes
Bud Light
7,301,255 likes
Salad
584,020 people likes
Sharon Van Etten
47,894 likes
The Cartographers- 579 likes
the cartographers - take to the seas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW_i9pfz2Po#)
Cartography 13,842 likes
MAPCO 25,398 likes
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Mar 22, 2014, 11:25 AM
Quote from: Fully on Mar 22, 2014, 08:45 AM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Mar 22, 2014, 08:25 AM
Quote from: Crispy on Mar 21, 2014, 09:21 PM
Wilco
613,420 likes
Miley Cyrus
45,088,780 likes
Ice Cream
21,940,641 likes
Creed
3,654,145 likes
New York Yankees
7,121,763 likes
Bud Light
7,301,255 likes
Salad
584,020 people likes
Sharon Van Etten
47,894 likes
The Cartographers- 579 likes
the cartographers - take to the seas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW_i9pfz2Po#)
Cartography 13,842 likes
MAPCO 25,398 likes
Pupusas. 14,800 likes