What is missing from Evil Urges?

[ycartrob]

You make fun of the guy for not being able to dish it out and take it.  He wasn't dishing it out to you, or anyone for that mater. He wrote a review, which obviously you can not take. Walk the walk indeed.

[size=24]He asked for comments, so I gave him comments.[/size]
Why is that so hard to grasp? God, please don't have this board turn into politically correct heaven.

sometimes I am insensitive to the needs of others

PJB, I was a member here before you and my approach has always been the same; come here and make fun of MMJ, and in turn I will make fun of you. No big deal really, and it's sort of all in fun. If you say a MMJ song sounds like cheesy Christian rock, then I will fire back. No one is hurt, are they? I'm just poking back.

WORDS ON THE INTERNET people; nothing more than that.   :)

sometimes my sarcasm fails to show through

sensitive people, I am freaking harmless. But your first post on a band's web site is to talk about how much the music lets you down, sounds like James Taylor, sounds like Z re-hash, sounds like cheesy Christian rock, and you get your panties in a wad b/c I fire back? For the life of me I cannot grasp how someone trashes a band's music on their fan forum and then just expects things to be all hunky dory and not catch an ounce of shit (and after asking for comments!) I swear, I just do not get that.

sometimes I type like a crazy person and just post whatever is there

If I were to see killerwolf at a show, I would shake his hand, give him shit about his comments (and hopefully he would give me shit back), and buy him a beer , and then hopefully rock out with him.

Do people here really take this shit like I feel like they're taking it? Some thicker skin would be much appreciated. I really don't get it, I guess.

lighten up, this is waaaay beyond silly; isn't it?

I'll try to be nicer

welcome to the board

[Jon T.]

I like James Taylor.  :-/

[bluntmaster]

You make fun of the guy for not being able to dish it out and take it.  He wasn't dishing it out to you, or anyone for that mater. He wrote a review, which obviously you can not take. Walk the walk indeed.

[size=24]He asked for comments, so I gave him comments.[/size]
Why is that so hard to grasp? God, please don't have this board turn into politically correct heaven.

PJB, I was a member here before you and my approach has always been the same; come here and make fun of MMJ, and in turn I will make fun of you. No big deal really, and it's sort of all in fun. If you say a MMJ song sounds like cheesy Christian rock, then I will fire back. No one is hurt, are they? I'm just poking back.

WORDS ON THE INTERNET people; nothing more than that.   :)

sensitive people, I am freaking harmless. But your first post on a band's web site is to talk about how much the music lets you down, sounds like James Taylor, sounds like Z re-hash, sounds like cheesy Christian rock, and you get your panties in a wad b/c I fire back?

If I were to see killerwolf at a show, I would shake his hand, give him shit about his comments (and hopefully he would give me shit back), and buy him a beer , and then hopefully rock out with him.

Do people here really take this shit like I feel like they're taking it? Some thicker skin would be much appreciated.

lighten up, this shit is waaaay beyond silly.

it is funny how flipped out some people on here get.  what are people expecting from music these days?  to transcend you into outer space without the aid of drugs?  to be moved to tears by every song?  for it to be written by the hand of God? seems like no matter what people just don't take music for what it is, expression.   good, bad, whatever, it's all bullshit subjective opinion.  music is art if another person connects to it, period.  whether or not you're that person is irrelevant.  I only half read this thread, but I think I get the jist of it.  low post count dude posts negative review about the album and some fans get defensive, half of whom haven't even heard the fucking thing yet.   you're absolutely right this thread is silly.  

[Jon T.]

  you're absolutely right this thread is silly.  

Irony. Sweet, sweet irony.

[PapaJoeBear]

Tracy,

As charming as you are, I cant help getting the feeling that, atleast during this thread,  you took serious offense and now your pulling a 'Just funnin'.  Yes, the OP did ask for comments. But he wasn't making fun of the band.  He was giving opinions on songs.  Let a fellow jacket fan have an opinion without attacking his journalistic integrity.  Yes, you have been here a long while (5 months more than me) , but that doesn't mean you should rip into new people posting their review of the album. He asked for comments not abuse.  If there was sarcasm, you missed the little icon button to hint at it. The dude even said he liked the album! He never tried to sell you on some fact that the new songs are crap.  He just didn't like some of them.  They sound that way to him . I'm sure you'll hear the same songs and be like 'what the hell was that guy talking about?!?!!? OMGWTFLOLZ!!!', and alot of people will do the same.  Then when whats-his-name tried to defend the guy to flipped him alot of crap too.  Was that sarcasm as well?
I guess all I'm trying to say is lighten up a little.  When you kirk out on someone for posting their opinions, yeah, it makes others not want post here.  Maybe thats wierd to you but its true.  Sticks and stones, blah blah blah,  but even if they are just words when you attack people for having a different opinion, thats still pretty crappy.
BTW, I do appriciate the green text to help guide me to your true meanings on your last post. Cheers.

[ycartrob]

Tracy,
As charming as you are, I cant help getting the feeling that, atleast during this thread,  you took serious offense and now your pulling a 'Just funnin'.  Yes, the OP did ask for comments. But he wasn't making fun of the band.  He was giving opinions on songs.

Serious offense, huh? Over what someone said about music via the internet? Sorry it came across that way. I really don't take any of this seriously and I do think it's sort of fun going back and forth, until someone gets offended, then I always back off. Even when someone PM's me that they will "punch my teeth in" I back off and apologize. However, there are some here who take serious offense to comments.
Sorry if I come across harsh, just having fun.

For God's sakes don't let silly old me piss you off.

And I really do think calling a MMJ song "cheesy Christian rock" is making fun of the band. I could be wrong, but I take it as someone making fun of the band. So, I made fun of them. No big whoop in my book, however, everyone doesn't follow my book.

noted

thanks for your sincerity PapaJoe

[bluntmaster]

Tracy,
As charming as you are, I cant help getting the feeling that, atleast during this thread,  you took serious offense and now your pulling a 'Just funnin'.  Yes, the OP did ask for comments. But he wasn't making fun of the band.  He was giving opinions on songs.

Serious offense, huh? Over what someone said about music via the internet? Sorry it came across that way. I really don't take any of this seriously and I do think it's sort of fun going back and forth, until someone gets offended, then I always back off. Even when someone PM's me that they will "punch my teeth in" I back off and apologize. However, there are some here who take serious offense to comments.
Sorry if I come across harsh, just having fun.

For God's sakes don't let silly old me piss you off.

And I really do think calling a MMJ song "cheesy Christian rock" is making fun of the band. I could be wrong, but I take it as someone making fun of the band. So, I made fun of them. No big whoop in my book, however, everyone doesn't follow my book.

noted

thanks for your sincerity PapaJoe

tracey you are a cool mother fucker when it comes down to it.  you definitely welcomed me even when we were disagreeing.  just wanted to say that, you def aren't a n00b hater or anything.

[Coltrane]

First of all, the OP was being very disingenuous. Why would your first post on a FAN forum be a negative review. Why post at all??? It makes absolutely no sense.

My entire point was and will always be that not only is this band different (they operate differently.....they send out a different vibe), but THIS FORUM has always been different. It truly is a community. One that is wrapped around the band. There may have been threads in the past about what songs you didn't particularly like; but no fucking "reviews" with hackneyed, trite bloggerisms and half baked notions (come on: "cheesy Christian rock" and "a song for all the ladies in the house"??????). That no one seems to understand this point about THIS band and THIS forum is depressing.

Second: you're goddamned motherfucking right i'm a "fanboy." And fucking proud of it!!!

Third: maybe i'm just a little upset because after the SNL performance, I had this thought that the band was sort of no longer "my band." That so many more people know of and enjoy them that there was bound to be riff-raff stumbling into our/my community and pissing us/ me off.........

I guess, ultimatley, i am understanding of the fact that I've had two stints on this forum dating back to 2002-- so i'll still be around when the riff-raff go on to something else....


Comments are welcome.....




Also, sarcasm. Sarcasm is welcome.

[Bigsky]

 I haven't heard the whole album yet, just what's been played at concerts and the few track that the band has released, but what I have heard has been great and very exciting. I understand people have their opinions, and they have every right to voice them. I guess I don't agree with jumping so quickly. With some of these very strong opinions it is hard to believe they have had anough time to let the music soak in. This goes for the good reviews and the bad reviews. So when I read these long reviews about an album that is just a baby, I say LET IT GROW. Give it some time until you feel the urge (evil or not) to cast your vote. As a MMJ fan, I am sure the band would appreciate some time for this to all soak in. I can bet that all of the songs on EU will change as the band learns them. I fell in love with MMJ's music not because of their studio albums, but because their live performances. The first time I heard them play a live concert (although it was OKONOKOS), my heart dropped and it knocked the wind out of my soul.

[bluntmaster]

First of all, the OP was being very disingenuous. Why would your first post on a FAN forum be a negative review. Why post at all??? It makes absolutely no sense.

My entire point was and will always be that not only is this band different (they operate differently.....they send out a different vibe), but THIS FORUM has always been different. It truly is a community. One that is wrapped around the band. There may have been threads in the past about what songs you didn't particularly like; but no fucking "reviews" with hackneyed, trite bloggerisms and half baked notions (come on: "cheesy Christian rock" and "a song for all the ladies in the house"??????). That no one seems to understand this point about THIS band and THIS forum is depressing.

Second: you're goddamned motherfucking right i'm a "fanboy." And fucking proud of it!!!

Third: maybe i'm just a little upset because after the SNL performance, I had this thought that the band was sort of no longer "my band." That so many more people know of and enjoy them that there was bound to be riff-raff stumbling into our/my community and pissing us/ me off.........

I guess, ultimatley, i am understanding of the fact that I've had two stints on this forum dating back to 2002-- so i'll still be around when the riff-raff go on to something else....


Comments are welcome.....




Also, sarcasm. Sarcasm is welcome.

I kind of agree with what you're saying.  I think "fanboy" is a really, pardon by french, gay term.  hyping this band is exactly what we as fans should be doing right now, they're peaking, they've got momentum, we've gotta bring it at the shows and have fun.  it's a collective effort thing.  I wasn't lucky enough to find out about the band until 04 but I'm catching back up thanks to this forum.   this forum needs to open it's arms up to everyone, that's essentially what I thought the purpose of all this was in the first place, bring as many people as possible together and celebrate being alive.  all this message board shit is just time killing between the music.  which is what matters.  I'm just rambling mindlessly.  everyone's right and everyone's wrong.  

[ycartrob]

First of all, the OP was being very disingenuous. Why would your first post on a FAN forum be a negative review. Why post at all??? It makes absolutely no sense.

My entire point was and will always be that not only is this band different (they operate differently.....they send out a different vibe), but THIS FORUM has always been different. It truly is a community. One that is wrapped around the band. There may have been threads in the past about what songs you didn't particularly like; but no fucking "reviews" with hackneyed, trite bloggerisms and half baked notions (come on: "cheesy Christian rock" and "a song for all the ladies in the house"??????). That no one seems to understand this point about THIS band and THIS forum is depressing.

Second: you're goddamned motherfucking right i'm a "fanboy." And fucking proud of it!!!

Third: maybe i'm just a little upset because after the SNL performance, I had this thought that the band was sort of no longer "my band." That so many more people know of and enjoy them that there was bound to be riff-raff stumbling into our/my community and pissing us/ me off.........

I guess, ultimatley, i am understanding of the fact that I've had two stints on this forum dating back to 2002-- so i'll still be around when the riff-raff go on to something else....


Comments are welcome.....




Also, sarcasm. Sarcasm is welcome.

thanks

[BH]

Ohhh dude, I am soooo fanboy.

You toucha da jacket, I breaka da face. ;D

The forum is meant for discussion if nothing else right?  It would be kind of boring if someone posted a negative review of everyone's favorite band, and every single reply was, "Thanks for the review! [smiley=thumbup.gif]  

[Coltrane]

Ohhh dude, I am soooo fanboy.

You toucha da jacket, I breaka da face. ;D

The forum is meant for discussion if nothing else right?  It would be kind of boring if someone posted a negative review of everyone's favorite band, and every single reply was, "Thanks for the review! [smiley=thumbup.gif]  

HA!

[kepp]

Wow.  Coltrane and Tracy, you are being remarkably ridiculous.

Now, I have only been a fan since 2004 (which I'm sure makes me far inferior to you) and only been an official member of the forum for 5 minutes (though I've been reading it for years) but I have to say, you guys are seriously making the rest of the forum look bad.

My Morning Jacket is one of my 4 favorite bands and I have not heard one song from them that I do not like. That said, with every band that you like, if you listen to them for long enough, you will eventually hear something that does not rub you the right way.  

Killerwolf did not say anything bad about the band or the album overall.  He/She simply expressed what they did and did not like about the album.  The fact that this person was able to compare it with their other albums shows that they are a fan.  Killerwolf was not being "disingenuous", they were speaking exactly what their opinion was of the album.  They said both good and bad things about it.

For anyone to say that this message board is "more than a message board" or that it is for "more than just a band" is like someone saying that their religion is the only religion and that "my lord is the only lord, so you are wrong".  Screw you.  Especially you, Coltrane.  

While I too am sad that My Morning Jacket may no longer be my secret band that I love and adore, I think that they, more than any other band deserve some acknowledgment for what they've done.  I hope that in 20 years, people will see them in the regard that people now see Led Zepplin.  Because every song that MMJ has done is a classic, in my opinion.  That does not mean that other people can't speak their opinion about them.  

Have a good one.

[Goat Boy]

Evil TRACY Urges.....

First of all pretension and snobbery are not mutually inclusive.  You say I'm pretentious based on the premise that 'people who say things like 'I used to love REM but now I think they're shit' are the kind of pretentious people who blah blah blah'
That's a huge, silly generalisation.

Everybody is a music snob to varying degrees.  Like sexuality it's a sliding scale.  Some are worse than others.  I had a mate heavily into Happy Hardcore who had complete disdain for guitar based music or anything with instruments basically - the Stones for example.  To him it was passé and he looked down on bands and so on.  Just admit it and get it out there.  That however doesn't imply that I went off REM cos I'm pretentious though does it?  That's entirely your interpretation based on what exactly?  The statement which you quoted in your post.  I went off them cos they became shit.  Pretension had nothing to do with it.  Critical thinking did and their records were lacking in real quality songs and musically they appeared lost - trying out styles and engaging in their whims - Bucks Beach Boys obsession for example but it didn't work.  In the same way I am not snobbish against manufactured pop like a lot of self confessed music snobs would be.  I can dig shit like Britney or Girls Aloud cos some of it is very good indeed (Toxic, Slave 4 U, Biology, Something Kinda Ooh and so on).      

Again my original point had nothing to do with differences in taste it was about the concept of blind faith and I wasn't attacking their opinion merely questioning the reasoning behind the kind of blind faith that means you'll follow a band to the 'ends of the earth' as the poster said.  The gushing fanboy shit that seems to be prevalent around here. Don't change the goalposts or twist the context to suit yourself.  And then you say that gets down to the crux of the matter  

The same goes for the MMJ song They Ran, a song that does not appeal to me, but out of respect for those who love it, I don't think it's shit or call it shit. I just don't think it's my job to tell you how shitty a song is that you might love (and part of the magic is to see the beauty in your enjoyment of it). Don't you understand that?

So out of respect for complete strangers you don't think its shit?  So because of what other people think that affects what you think about a song?  Eh?   It's not your job but why not just come out and say something is shit?  Why be scared of crapping on a song or a band?  Is it because you don't want to offend the individual or make it personal?  It's not personal though is it?  Its just music.  The individual should be strong enough to take the criticisms and give us good us they get.  That's how most messageboards works you know?  By your logic because millions love My Heart Will Go On then we shouldn't slag it off because heaven forbid we should offend the poor people who like that turd of a song.  The millions will not be affected or bothered by my or your criticism.  We aren't that important.  Celine Dion will, sadly, still go on.

Some people think James Blunt is probably a songwriting genius but that doesn't stop me and it shouldn't stop you from slagging off that nonce out of respect for his fans now should it?  For crying out loud.  Lets not criticise You're Beautiful cos of all those people out there who love it and we wouldn't want to trod on their oh-so-delicate sensibilities now would we?  Look at some of the reaction on this thread cos some newbies first post clumsily criticised Evil Urges.  Who gives a fuck?  We are all big boys and girls and we can defend our corner. At least we should be.  You can tell me how shitty my taste is as much as you want.  Slag off Syd Barrett.  Laugh at The Gnome.  Go on.  You can slag off one of my idols - Laura Nyro - till the cows come home as it will not bother me one iota.  Why would it?  I'd like to hear WHY you don't like her music though - either in a serious academic way or in a amusing kind of obscene rant.  And then I'd reply by telling you why I do.  Go on, slag off that shrieking white witch and I'll respond on why shes one of the key female artists of the past 40 years imo and should be ranked alongside Joni Mitchell.  That's what messageboards are for.  They are not just here for everybody to agree with each other and suck each others cocks in but to actively disagree, argue and debate.  The differences are more interesting than the similarities usually otherwise it ends up like 'isn't X great?  Yes he is.  The end.'  If we were to apply your logic to a larger context then we shouldn't criticise or try and find fault in anything for fear of offending the sensibilities of certain people.  And look where that's led us.  Don't you understand that?  

I'd also like to quote this which is part of a post that your friend Coltrane posted and which you replied 'thanks' because, I'm guessing, you agree with the contents and the sentiment yeah?  Or even if you dont you didnt comment negatively on this fucking bullshit nonsense....

Third: maybe i'm just a little upset because after the SNL performance, I had this thought that the band was sort of no longer "my band." That so many more people know of and enjoy them that there was bound to be RIFF-RAFF stumbling into our/my community and pissing us/ me off.........

Remember what you said?

You rant and rave how you could never be percieved of as pretentious, then the next paragraph you call yourself a music snob. You should perhaps think that through a little more, you unpretentious snob you. Not everyone is a "music snob" to a certain degree, like you say. Get your language straight

Oh dear.  Not we get down to it.  Riff raff?  Doesnt this make him a SNOB Tracy and by association you as well for agreeing with him?  He's pissed off that as the band gets bigger the 'riff raff' will begin to like them and start joining this place then your little world will come crashing down!  Oh no!  You criticise me for being 'pretentious' and a snob then you suck up his ass when he posts shit like that.  This is what is pissing me off.  A newbie gets attacked for daring to offer a negative opinion of the new album whilst senior members of the boards speak fucking guff like the above and people back it up and say nothing.  The nepotism stinks.  And judging by some of the posts on here I'm not the only one who dislikes the gushing fanboy bullshit, MMJ are Ye Gods and anybody who dare criticse will be cursed forever approach that seems to pass for intelligent debate around here.

[Goat Boy]

First of all, the OP was being very disingenuous. Why would your first post on a FAN forum be a negative review. Why post at all??? It makes absolutely no sense.

Because as a FAN he has a right to express his opinion be it positive or negative.  He's bought the records, listened, digested and he's telling us what he thinks.  The fact that it makes 'no sense' to you makes perfect sense to me funnily enough.  Your emphasis on the FAN forum suggests that on a FAN forum only positive viewpoints should be expressed.  Or perhaps only positive viewpoints on your first post?  

My entire point was and will always be that not only is this band different (they operate differently.....they send out a different vibe), but THIS FORUM has always been different.

You have no point.  Different how?  You'd think they were the fucking Magic Band or The Residents.  How exaclty do the operate differently from all those other bands out there?  What's the different vibe?  Expand and explain please why this band are different from every other band out there whose ever existed.  Im all ears.  Really.  

This forum has always been different?  Of course it's UNIQUE isn't it?   ::)

Third: maybe i'm just a little upset because after the SNL performance, I had this thought that the band was sort of no longer "my band." That so many more people know of and enjoy them that there was bound to be riff-raff stumbling into our/my community and pissing us/ me off.........

The crux.  Those pesky riff raff eh coming along and fucking up your mojo by being stupid enough to like a band you like.  Fucking bovine masses eh?  

It's just a rock n roll band folks.  Just a rock n roll band.

[tomEisenbraun]

Seriously, what the hel? Isn't it a little early for these  epics you call posts?

That said, if someone honestly came on here loving Celine Dion, and seriously digging the Jacket, would we flame them out of town? No. We'd ask why the love her. And the Jacket, and work to put the pieces together.

I didn't do this to set a precendent, but maybe it could be seen as a decent example:

In the other music section, there's a Bon Iver thread. He didn't rub me right when I heard "Skinny Love," but seeing so much love from people who's musical opinions I respect in this community really got me interested. Did I miss something in what I heard? Had I heard the wrong first song? Why do they dig him so much? I posted in there because I didn't care for what I'd heard, but understood also that there must be some redeeming value there, or else we wouldn't have so much love for him. I asked why, got some backstory, and now that I have an idea of how and why his music's affected people on here, I'm interested enough to buy his album and give it another go.

Same thing with Jacket songs like "They Ran." Tracy doesn't dig it. I'm sort of in love with it. Tracy doesn't love it, but he doesn't call it shit because calling it shit starts an argument between us because he's basically tried to invalidate my opinion of the song with his. He'd be more likely to post an "I don't get it--what is it that you love about it?" in response to my love for it, and thus a discusion is generated with good input from both sides.

I'm sorry you thought REM's later output was shit. Some people on here dig it, and you've basically asserted your opinion in a way that attempts to trump theirs, by just flat-out calling it "shit." That's not productive--that generates an argument.

That's why Tracy tore apart this "reveiwer"--the guy comes on here with no basis of his likes, dislikes, or musical tastes, and posits some very strong negatives about the album that a good deal of us have not heard yet. We don't have room to even tell him he's wrong, yet we're subjected to the "Christian rock" and "James Taylor" references. It doesn't matter if any of us here even dig either of these references (I think Taylor's got some great stuff), but this guy has just invalidated our opinions of not only these sources of "influence", but he's also worked to plant negative ideas of these songs in our heads without really digging deeper into them to find a redeeming light.

I'm not going to argue what kidn of a fan I am, but I will buy all their albums and, because Jim's previous output has strongly moved me, I don't think that he would release anything he felt was uninspired, and because of that, I'll look to figure out what it is he felt was important about this work. I don't know if I'll love the whole album yet, but if I approach it with the intent of finding the good, it'll show itself. And I can get something out of it. If I approach it with the attitude of not liking the new direction before I've even heard it, the new album won't stand a chance.

The point of this board is not to argue with eachother, it's to generate discussion. So reviews like that from people who appear to want to "discuss" things (as per Tracy's frequently mentioned "Please comment" at the end of the review) are really hard to figure out. Why come here and post a close-minded, final sounding review of the album? Like it's been suggested--LET IT GROW. This is a forum for a reason--the music is up for discussion. Why make your first post a negative review of an album that you're going to post, and then ask us to argue about your final word? Bring your questions, your comments, your thoughts, your criticisms, and be willing to listen to others' thoughts and discuss them. There's no reason to get rude, but when someone comes on here with the equivalence of journalistic rudeness in regards to something that we are all very passionate about, we're going to respond similarly, thus the harsh criticism from our long-term members.

Goat Boy, you could be welcome to this forum if you were up for listening and discussion, but your posts so far have been nothing but attempting to prove a point. To prove everything Tracy and John Conaway have to say as wrong. Fighting to find inconsistencies in what they've said, misconstruing what they've said, and yourself positing some inconsistencies. I'm not calling you an idiot, nor am I saying you aren't welcome here and trying to shut the door on you, but hear me out when I ask you to discuss and listen.

As for REM, do you think they would've put out something they didn't themselves enjoy? Did Buck's Beach Boy obsession lead him to produce something he himself did not like? I'm sure he dug what he was creating, and I'm sure if you were interested in doing so, you could find some really cool things in that album. Was it old-school REM? Certainly not. Had the band gotten older and found different musical niches to explore and have fun with? Definitely. Did they have enough fun or were pleasantly surprised enough with what they created that they decided to make an album out of it and invite you along to enjoy it with them? Certainly. Is it pretentious of you to write them off because it's different and you don't like it? It depends. If you don't like it, that's alright. But if you don't think anyone else should like it because you don't like it, then yes, that pretentious. If you refuse to let someone else on here argue for liking aspects of it, that's also pretentious. Your opinion is your opinion, and you don't get to force that on someone else. If you'd like to try to understand what it is about those albums that someone else digs, that is honestly one of the coolest things you can do, and it shows a lot of maturity and actually fosters the kind of relationships that have built this board and kept it such a really tight-knight and loving community.

I guess that's an epic, too, but I'm tired of this squibbling. Maybe Tracy's not right through and through. Maybe I'm not either. But I think if you were up for checking out what we have to say and thinking about it and responding thoughtfully rather than trying to dice it to pieces, you might get something out of it. Maybe just as a member of a message board, maybe as something even broader and bigger for your own good. I know I've gained a whole lot from the discussions here. I'd absolutely love to hear at some point that you have, too.

[tomEisenbraun]

Also, I think you may have figured the attitude of this board wrong. No one's here to offend or defend anyone's musical tastes. We're here to discuss what we dig, check out what other's dig, and see what we have to offer, find where we each resonate, where we don't, and have some good inspired thoughts about it. That's what makes this board different.

I'm glad you dig Syd Barrett so much. The guy was really a tortured genius and really influential with the psychedelia scene. I don't personally enjoy his output more than, say, stuff with a vibe like "Sheep," but that's my musical taste, and I'm not trying to trump yours. I understand you hate Waters. I'm not his biggest fan, but I think the way and he and Gilmour worked together before they grew irreconcilably apart was something really magical, even if it was also terribly dark at the same time. Animals is kind of a special album for me, and I'm still not quite sure why, but I really dig that kind of a dark sprawl more than I do Syd's 60's psychedelia. It wasn't bad music, just not what I prefer to listen to.

Seriously--PEACE.

[tomEisenbraun]

And just to lighten the mood, after I posted that, I noticed that this thread has been read 1337 times.

Nice.

[Bigsky]

Good points Tom.
(you were up early this morning)

Maybe this entire issue could have been avoided if killerwolf had used a different title. Instead of making such an absolute negative statement, "What is missing from Evil Urges?" he could have made it more personal like My thoughts on Evil Urges. Just an idea.

I also would like to mention that when a thread like this one produces such argument and discussion it just reinforces the power of MMJ. So let people fight if they have to, let them be passionate, but please remember we are all MMJ fans.