Not aMD

[marktwain]

aMD, why don't you share what you know?

'Cos I'll admit, I'm away from the boards for weeks at a time.  So maybe I missed something.  But I really don't understand where all your anger is coming from.  

I saw the thread this morning, and I'd love to hear what the fuck is behind that kind of nastiness, because I've never seen anything to provoke it.

[aMillionDreams]

aMD, why don't you share what you know?

'Cos I'll admit, I'm away from the boards for weeks at a time.  So maybe I missed something.  But I really don't understand where all your anger is coming from.  

I saw the thread this morning, and I'd love to hear what the fuck is behind that kind of nastiness, because I've never seen anything to provoke it.

I really wish CC hadn't deleted that thread because it really articulated the things about John that irritate me to no end. But you having read it I won't go into those things right now.

  If you really think that all the nastiness is coming from me and none is directed towards me maybe I really should check into a mental institution.  But I think I still have my wits because the guy who started this thread, Silvac, and many unnamed others told me that they also think John is an asshole of the highest order (mainly through private messages for whatever reason).  But you tell me Tundra, am I making all this shit up?  Am I really nuts?  

[ratsprayer]

I really wish CC hadn't deleted that thread because it really articulated the things about John that irritate me to no end. But you having read it I won't go into those things right now.

 If you really think that all the nastiness is coming from me and none is directed towards me maybe I really should check into a mental institution.  But I think I still have my wits because the guy who started this thread, Silvac, and many unnamed others told me that they also think John is an asshole of the highest order (mainly through private messages for whatever reason).  But you tell me Tundra, am I making all this shit up?  Am I really nuts?  

ill be the first one to say ive thought johns an asshole on numerous occasions, but its just an opinion.  i know im an asshole, and im sure i put off people all the time.   there are many other times ive agreed with him on things, music or political or whatever.  have you always disliked him, or did it just start with the leak discussion back last summer?  i only joined right before that, so i dont know all the history.  it does seem you find it impossible to find any common ground with him at all.  hell even tracy and i have agreed a few times before.   ;)

[marktwain]

I've never read anything John's posted and thought, 'Man, that dude's an asshole.'  I have read plenty of other folks' posts and thought that.  I've probably posted some asshole-ish comments myself.

I know there was some kind of friction over the whole should/shouldn't we listen to the pirated copy of Z.  But I missed out on most of that.

I like John, and I know he's a very dedicated fan.  The one time I met him he was very friendly.  He was not patronizing or pompous or anything but kind to me when I was a newbie.  In fact, he sent me a copy of a live show, since I didn't have a computer to download it with.  He runs the FTP, and has provided anyone who asked access to it since way before archive.org.

Whatever disagreements there may have been, I don't think John would ever start a thread to insult, humiliate, or embarass someone.  

But, like I said,  I want to know what YOU know.  Has John been shitty to you while hiding behind a guest account?  Here's your chance to out him.

[aMillionDreams]

John and I are beyond finding common ground.  I try not to address John at all but at times I can't help myself and other times he forces my hand.  I don't mean to come across as an aggressive hateful person, I just hate John.  

And I don't really want to get into the history of it, but it started before the leak incident.  Another night perhaps but right now I have a whiskey bottle and a guitar calling my name.  I'm sending the first one out to Tundra and Ratsprayer:  I Will Sing You Songs>   ;D

[peanut butter puddin surprise]

Yeah.

[peanut butter puddin surprise]

just listen to yourself.  You need mental help.

"I hate John".  You're a dweeb.  I've given no reason for you, or anyone else for that matter, to hate me.  You've got issues.

[ratsprayer]

just listen to yourself.  You need mental help.

"I hate John".  You're a dweeb.  I've given no reason for you, or anyone else for that matter, to hate me.  You've got issues.

it does seem petty to say you hate john without giving reasons for it, but im sure theyre justified in your mind.  on the other hand, does anyone really think that everyone could like them?  i have no problem with you overall john, but seriously you cant think that you can be friends with everyone on the planet?  

signed,
devil's advocate

[peanut butter puddin surprise]

oh hell no!  indifference is something different than "hate".  

I'm not Ray Romano, or Jerry Seinfeld. Hardly.  

Fact is, this is a messageboard on the INTERNET.  This guy is off his nut!  He "hates" me?  Wow!  I'm so flattered I could cry!  Man, you really need a life if you sit around beating yourself up about this.  Jesus.

[ratsprayer]

oh hell no!  indifference is something different than "hate".  

I'm not Ray Romano, or Jerry Seinfeld. Hardly.  

Fact is, this is a messageboard on the INTERNET.  This guy is off his nut!  He "hates" me?  Wow!  I'm so flattered I could cry!  Man, you really need a life if you sit around beating yourself up about this.  Jesus.

yeah spot on, i can agree with that.  it is puzzling to wonder where the hate comes from?  john, are you sure youve not slashed his tires or stolen his first born?  

[peanut butter puddin surprise]

Jealousy?  I'm not sure.  The "history" he speaks of is just silly.  Wow, we had some disagreements...ON THE FUCKING INTERNET.  Holy shit Batman, call the fucking National Guard.

[ali]

does this strike anyone else as being quite silly?

[ycartrob]

Since our fearless mod decided to call me out, I thought I'd do publicly what I have already done privately, apologize to DD for some nasty comments I made under a guest account.  I didn't mean them, I've never even heard his band,  I was only try to make a point about OTHER people on this forum who use guest acounts to be dicks, namely:  conaway and ycarrot.  Apparently it's okay for them and not for me.  

BTW, I was not Chris T, that was some other asshole who apparently is above the law around here too.  

amd, I don't need a fake account for you to think I am a dick.
 I have no problem telling people my feelings and opinions using my real ycartrob. You got some weird delusions about this place if you think I need to hide from my opinions.
I don't even see the point in challenging your opinions now  :-[

good luck man, and I mean it. Sorry you had to take my posts so personally, but at some point, after I said over and over and over and over and over again that it was all in fun, I figured you'd lighten up.

I guess I was wrong.

I got no hard feelings with anyone here and here's hoping to rock out with all of you at the next Jacket show.

[CC]

coupla guys that don't get along. fine, won't be the last time.
get over it cause it's getting silly indeed.

[ratsprayer]

I got no hard feelings with anyone here and here's hoping to rock out with all of you at the next Jacket show.

that's how i feel.  you and i disagree more often and more vehemently than anyone else here most likely, but it still doesn't mean i wouldn't rock out with ya.  i can't imagine detesting anyone here so much you couldnt' enjoy a jacket show together, and that's how i see it.  post show political debate, your ass in mine, though.  
 8)

[EC]

here's hoping to rock out with all of you at the next Jacket show.

I'm pretty much convinced that I'm gonna lose my shit at that show.  I'll lost my shit, and you can lose your shirt.  ;)

I can't wait to see you lovely folks.  I seriously can't.  

I keep thinking about how long they're going to have, and what songs they'll play and what covers they'll do if they do any, and whether or not Jim's going to play the omnichord.  

mm hm.  

[dragonboy]

does this strike anyone else as being quite silly?

I was just thinking the same thing Ali.
To be honest I'm surprised & shocked at how many people have posted under a false name. WTF?!!
Has it never occured to anyone that to a very small extent we are representing the Jacket here?
If you consider yourself a 'real fan' then show the Jacket some respect. We are all guests here on their behalf...
If I was someone just checking the threads, thinking about signing up & posting for the first time right now I would probably stay away under the assumption that a lot of the regulars here are dicks.
Of course, that assumption would be wrong but I can't help but feel this is something of a low point for the forum.
The way I see it yes, this is the internet, but the same real life rules should apply, repsect, common courtesy etc.
Sending posts as fake guests, name-calling, ongoing personal feuds etc, it's all rather sad.

[wellfleet]

once, when i was 15, my online friend kristen stole my online boyfriend jason and i cried and swore i would never get it over it. 10 years later, i'm still shaking my head over how unnecessary the drama was...

man, you don't read the board for 12 hours and you miss out on the young and the restless...

i've thought about posting smack under an assumed name, but 1. knew riny could see that and 2. am not a chickenshit. and not that i'm passing judgment on anyone else...

it makes me sad when people i like fight. what's the internet equivalent of smoking da peace pipe?

[peanut butter puddin surprise]

[EC]

just to be clear: i wasn't chicken.

okay, wellfleet?  so, stick it, biatch.  next time i see you i'm going to give you a push if you're woman enough to stand in my presence.  HEAR MY WRATH, WOMAN!! >:(