Why, Jim?...

[Oz]

I agree that this discussion about 'christian rock' has been kind of boring, but still I wanna bring it up again. Because I'm a bit confused by the lyrics to the song 'Evil urges.' He's talking about people that want to love each other, in a way that is considered 'evil' by people. Now I've been wondering if he means love between gay people, people of different race, or even unmarried people; 'cause that would mean he's addressing really fundamentalist christians who think that kind of love is wrong.  

And I wonder if that means that he has people like that in his direct enviroment or maybe he's a part of that community himself, because personally, I do know those people exist, but I feel such a huge distance from them that I wouldn´t even bother trying to communicate with them

/ DISCLAIMER: Before I'm getting in trouble, I'm just talking about homophobics and racists here, I have nothing against belief itself /

So I would think that either Jim really connects with this idea that certain types of love are wrong, because he used to think so himself, or his family thinks so, or something like that, and he's recently liberated himself from that and singing joyously about his liberation, or he is singing about things that everyone thinks is evil; it's an ode to necrophelia! "It ain't evil if it ain't hurting anybody", right?  ;)

[tomEisenbraun]

Good question and good to see you around, O!

[ycartrob]

I agree that this discussion about 'christian rock' has been kind of boring, but still I wanna bring it up again. Because I'm a bit confused by the lyrics to the song 'Evil urges.' He's talking about people that want to love each other, in a way that is considered 'evil' by people. Now I've been wondering if he means love between gay people, people of different race, or even unmarried people; 'cause that would mean he's addressing really fundamentalist christians who think that kind of love is wrong.  

I like to think he means love your enemy. When I suggest to my fellow Christians that we need to love all Muslims (the declared "evil doers", right?) they give me a blank stare. I think that's a stretch, but that's what I come up with. And I think there's resolution in Remnants.

[Violeteye]

I came back to this post a while later after completing totally (no surprises whatsoever) anticipating this sort of reaction. You're all enititled to your opinion, and that's just fine. However, it's pretty evident I walked into MMJ cult grounds, which "IMO" find funny dear crazed fans. I really need not argue nor partake in any more discussions regarding this or any other matter, because as afore mentioned these are cult like grounds with a clique like gang, and I have no interest in such a crowd at all, not that you all care but I'm giving you ultimate two-cents. Re-evaluate yourselves a bit and you are the ones in dire need of a damn chill out session, if you'd just take a look at your relentless assault on one's opinion which wasn't ill stated or offensive--just critical. I know how the band has progressed and I 've loved every album except this one. I'm aware of Jim's spritiuality, but the exhibits of his spirituality in this album makes it simply sound like 'christian rock' all together, and I hate that music. The lyrics I still firmly stand the arguement that they're too spiritual and just poorly devised. If they are to be spiritual...be creative like in former albums, they awestruck me, and had a greater sense of mystery and depth. It took more analyzing to discover Jim's meaning. This new album? No, straight forward and cliche in more of the album. I do like some songs, but not enough to give the album much credit. Anyways, still a huge MMJ fan regardless of this crowd's views, just dont like this new stuff. Ok, attack, good bye, and good luck with your cool MMJ cult.

[Bigsky]

I came back to this post a while later after completing totally (no surprises whatsoever) anticipating this sort of reaction. You're all enititled to your opinion, and that's just fine. However, it's pretty evident I walked into MMJ cult grounds, which "IMO" find funny dear crazed fans. I really need not argue nor partake in any more discussions regarding this or any other matter, because as afore mentioned these are cult like grounds with a clique like gang, and I have no interest in such a crowd at all, not that you all care but I'm giving you ultimate two-cents. Re-evaluate yourselves a bit and you are the ones in dire need of a damn chill out session, if you'd just take a look at your relentless assault on one's opinion which wasn't ill stated or offensive--just critical. I know how the band has progressed and I 've loved every album except this one. I'm aware of Jim's spritiuality, but the exhibits of his spirituality in this album makes it simply sound like 'christian rock' all together, and I hate that music. The lyrics I still firmly stand the arguement that they're too spiritual and just poorly devised. If they are to be spiritual...be creative like in former albums, they awestruck me, and had a greater sense of mystery and depth. It took more analyzing to discover Jim's meaning. This new album? No, straight forward and cliche in more of the album. I do like some songs, but not enough to give the album much credit. Anyways, still a huge MMJ fan regardless of this crowd's views, just dont like this new stuff. Ok, attack, good bye, and good luck with your cool MMJ cult.

I have 5 points:

1. If you compare TF to Z and everything in between...EU is not that big of a step, and I think it seems to be an appropriate evolution in the bands development

2. I'm not religious in the conventional understanding, and when I listen to MMJ I never think of God. I find it interesting that you think it's Christian just because you think there is a reference to a God. I have never heard MMJ mention the name Christ.

3. Just because people gang up on you because you make a very opinionated post doesn't make this a cult forum, it just means your opininion sucks.

4. If you take any of this too seriously than you are "in dire need of a damn chill out session."

5. That cat fight with the kitten puking at the end is one of the funniest things I have ever seen...

[ellisintransit]

I came back to this post a while later after completing totally (no surprises whatsoever) anticipating this sort of reaction. You're all enititled to your opinion, and that's just fine. However, it's pretty evident I walked into MMJ cult grounds, which "IMO" find funny dear crazed fans. I really need not argue nor partake in any more discussions regarding this or any other matter, because as afore mentioned these are cult like grounds with a clique like gang, and I have no interest in such a crowd at all, not that you all care but I'm giving you ultimate two-cents. Re-evaluate yourselves a bit and you are the ones in dire need of a damn chill out session, if you'd just take a look at your relentless assault on one's opinion which wasn't ill stated or offensive--just critical. I know how the band has progressed and I 've loved every album except this one. I'm aware of Jim's spritiuality, but the exhibits of his spirituality in this album makes it simply sound like 'christian rock' all together, and I hate that music. The lyrics I still firmly stand the arguement that they're too spiritual and just poorly devised. If they are to be spiritual...be creative like in former albums, they awestruck me, and had a greater sense of mystery and depth. It took more analyzing to discover Jim's meaning. This new album? No, straight forward and cliche in more of the album. I do like some songs, but not enough to give the album much credit. Anyways, still a huge MMJ fan regardless of this crowd's views, just dont like this new stuff. Ok, attack, good bye, and good luck with your cool MMJ cult.

Goodbye.

[D. Sinclair]

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