While At Dawn is on my list of best albums ever, there are days when I skip over Honest Man :-\
agreed. It's my dirty little secret that I don't care for the song that much, on the album or live. I don't state that much because most people get so excited when it pops up on a setlist. When it was the only curveball on an otherwise vanilla Boston setlist last summer, I knew the setlist gods were f-ing with me.
Well, at least all of you are being "honest men". ::)
While At Dawn is on my list of best albums ever, there were days when I skipped over Honest Man until one day it just clicked
I love me some honest man but the album version is very subpar to some of the older live cuts. Maybe some of the live bootleg experts can help us out here ???
I wish they would have left off Honest Man and put Chills in it's place.
Quote from: el_chode on Mar 14, 2012, 06:11 PM
While At Dawn is on my list of best albums ever, there were days when I skipped over Honest Man until one day it just clicked
Agreed
I never skip it, and Montreal reminded me why.
I'm the bobbing bald head directly below Jim. (http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6124/5940008645_2749f02fe5_m.jpg)
My Morning Jacket -- Honest Man -- Live at the Metropolis, July 12 2011 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHJ3h5mDrs8#ws)
I took some photos, too.
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Quote from: johnnYYac on Mar 14, 2012, 07:57 PM
I never skip it, and Montreal reminded me why.
I'm the bobbing bald head directly below Jim. (http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6124/5940008645_2749f02fe5_m.jpg)
My Morning Jacket -- Honest Man -- Live at the Metropolis, July 12 2011 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHJ3h5mDrs8#ws)
I took some photos, too.
(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6006/5938530295_ec82d70003.jpg)
(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6137/5938530493_c77df258b8.jpg)
(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6011/5938530875_4cb2616823.jpg)
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Rock it out, JohnnY!
Jim's acoustic demo of Honest Man from the At Dawn bonus disc is phenomenal. It's also only about half the length of the album version. I still don't understand why it didn't make the cut for the Tennessee Fire/At Dawn Demos disc.
Honest Man, MMJ playing honest blues rock, what could be wrong about it....first song of At Dawn I really loved :)
the radar watches me from above
shouting down.......
I hope you make it on this earth
case closed
oh you provocateur tracy :P
I'll definitely take the middle ground on this one. Someone definitely posted a while back that he would always skip Honest Man because it broke up the flow of the album. I agree with that. It stands alone, a great song. Yet its placement feels inorganic at best within the near perfection that is At Dawn. A Demo Chills replacement makes sense. Oh well, I love it nonetheless.
good luck comes from trying
you gave up
;)
Quote from: jimsflyingv on Mar 15, 2012, 03:06 AM
Honest Man, MMJ playing honest blues rock, what could be wrong about it....first song of At Dawn I really loved :)
It's sort of like how I love hamburgers w/cheese. mmmmmmm Perfect! And, I usually get mustard, ketchup and lettuce on my hamburgers/cheese. However, sometimes I may get pickles and/or onions. However, if I didn't order a hamburger w/cheese with pickles and it came with pickles, I would probably like it anyway but not as much as without pickles (at that particular time in my life) as I had ordered it.
That's where Honest Man hits me; it's the pickles I didn't order on At Dawn.
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Mar 15, 2012, 02:41 PM
Quote from: jimsflyingv on Mar 15, 2012, 03:06 AM
Honest Man, MMJ playing honest blues rock, what could be wrong about it....first song of At Dawn I really loved :)
It's sort of like how I love hamburgers w/cheese. mmmmmmm Perfect! And, I usually get mustard, ketchup and lettuce on my hamburgers/cheese. However, sometimes I may get pickles and/or onions. However, if I didn't order a hamburger w/cheese with pickles and it came with pickles, I would probably like it anyway but not as much as without pickles (at that particular time in my life) as I had ordered it.
That's where Honest Man hits me; it's the pickles I didn't order on At Dawn.
It's uncanny that you should mention pickles. A woman at work told a story today about a man being arrested for peeing in a pickle barrel at shop rite. Hmm.
Anyway, LOVE the song live, it's kinda dirty, but think it's an odd fit on At Dawn.
I posted awhile back and and asked what was people's least favorite MMJ song. (mine is Libararian - still don't like it sorry). I was honestly ;D stunned at the number of replies for Honest Man. Personally I love the straight ahead blues rock of the song. The first time I saw it live in Burlington it absolutely blew me away, and imho was one of the highlights of the show.
Quote from: el_chode on Mar 14, 2012, 06:11 PM
While At Dawn is on my list of best albums ever, there were days when I skipped over Honest Man until one day it just clicked
This happened to me with
Nashville to Kentucky.
I have no problem with
Honest Man, but if I never hear
Two Halves again it will be too soon. I've deleted it from all digital versions of Evil Urges, so I suppose it will never have a chance to click. Those lyrics make me cringe.
Quote from: el_chode on Mar 14, 2012, 06:11 PM
While At Dawn is on my list of best albums ever, there were days when I skipped over Honest Man until one day it just clicked
This happened with me and the Violent Femmes. Unfortunantely, it took nearly 15 years...
I don't hate the song but I think it takes away from the flow of the album.
I definitely DO NOT skip over. :D One of my favorite songs
Quote from: Devil Ledbetter on Mar 16, 2012, 11:41 AM
Quote from: el_chode on Mar 14, 2012, 06:11 PM
While At Dawn is on my list of best albums ever, there were days when I skipped over Honest Man until one day it just clicked
This happened to me with Nashville to Kentucky.
I have no problem with Honest Man, but if I never hear Two Halves again it will be too soon. I've deleted it from all digital versions of Evil Urges, so I suppose it will never have a chance to click. Those lyrics make me cringe.
I have to agree on Two Halves. It always gets skipped over.
Quote from: Honest Man on Mar 16, 2012, 06:38 PM
Quote from: Devil Ledbetter on Mar 16, 2012, 11:41 AM
Quote from: el_chode on Mar 14, 2012, 06:11 PM
While At Dawn is on my list of best albums ever, there were days when I skipped over Honest Man until one day it just clicked
This happened to me with Nashville to Kentucky.
I have no problem with Honest Man, but if I never hear Two Halves again it will be too soon. I've deleted it from all digital versions of Evil Urges, so I suppose it will never have a chance to click. Those lyrics make me cringe.
I have to agree on Two Halves. It always gets skipped over.
Maybe it's because I am a woman of a certain age who absolutely loves the Beach Boys this one works for me...LOL! It's campy. I like it a lot. Compared to Lay Low? Doesn't stand a chance. But I like.
I listened to Evil Urges for the first time in awhile a couple days ago and I once again realized that all of it- even two halves- is great
Quote from: e_wind on Mar 17, 2012, 10:50 AM
I listened to Evil Urges for the first time in awhile a couple days ago and I once again realized that all of it- even two halves- is great
I agree. I never understood all of the criticism of that album. And I have to say that I've always loved Highly Suspicious. The first time I heard it I thought it was hilarious and listening to it live, particularly when PHJB is playing with them, it just rocks. It is one of my favorite albums of the bands; but to be honest, I can't say that there is one of their albums that I dislike. There are a few songs. I loathe The Day is Coming because I think it sounds like stereotypical supermarket music and the lyrics are just boring. But that is probably the only song of MMJ's that I have a big problem with. The few others that I don't care for don't inspire that much passionate hate.
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Mar 16, 2012, 12:24 PM
Quote from: el_chode on Mar 14, 2012, 06:11 PM
While At Dawn is on my list of best albums ever, there were days when I skipped over Honest Man until one day it just clicked
This happened with me and the Violent Femmes. Unfortunantely, it took nearly 15 years...
It's ok, it happened to me with too many bands to count, e.g. the Replacements
Quote from: Fully on Mar 17, 2012, 05:31 PM
Quote from: e_wind on Mar 17, 2012, 10:50 AM
I listened to Evil Urges for the first time in awhile a couple days ago and I once again realized that all of it- even two halves- is great
I agree. I never understood all of the criticism of that album. And I have to say that I've always loved Highly Suspicious. The first time I heard it I thought it was hilarious and listening to it live, particularly when PHJB is playing with them, it just rocks. It is one of my favorite albums of the bands; but to be honest, I can't say that there is one of their albums that I dislike. There are a few songs. I loathe The Day is Coming because I think it sounds like stereotypical supermarket music and the lyrics are just boring. But that is probably the only song of MMJ's that I have a big problem with. The few others that I don't care for don't inspire that much passionate hate.
I SO don't get The Day Is Coming hatred. I love love love love it. Love it. And love it some more. But I put Highly Suspicious in a First Light category. I can tolerate it, but it is certainly not my first choice of song. Funny how peeps gravitate towards certain styles. Day is Coming is up there for me!!
Quote from: e_wind on Mar 17, 2012, 10:50 AM
I listened to Evil Urges for the first time in awhile a couple days ago and I once again realized that all of it- even two halves- is great
Word. Evil Urges is phenomenal. Work of art.
Quote from: zanjam on Mar 23, 2012, 01:30 AM
I SO don't get The Day Is Coming hatred. I love love love love it. Love it. And love it some more.
Me too.
Quote from: Devil Ledbetter on Mar 23, 2012, 04:42 PM
Quote from: zanjam on Mar 23, 2012, 01:30 AM
I SO don't get The Day Is Coming hatred. I love love love love it. Love it. And love it some more.
Me too.
Allow me to be immature and point out that this is Devil's 69th post! Even if we disagree on The Day is Coming, I can still get on board that many posts! ;)
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Mar 15, 2012, 02:41 PM
Quote from: jimsflyingv on Mar 15, 2012, 03:06 AM
Honest Man, MMJ playing honest blues rock, what could be wrong about it....first song of At Dawn I really loved :)
It's sort of like how I love hamburgers w/cheese. mmmmmmm Perfect! And, I usually get mustard, ketchup and lettuce on my hamburgers/cheese. However, sometimes I may get pickles and/or onions. However, if I didn't order a hamburger w/cheese with pickles and it came with pickles, I would probably like it anyway but not as much as without pickles (at that particular time in my life) as I had ordered it.
That's where Honest Man hits me; it's the pickles I didn't order on At Dawn.
Oh Yeah, well why don't you just cook your own damn burger. Honest Man is the goldfish crackers that I had no idea could even go on a burger, but damnit to hell if they didn't just send that MF'ER right on over the TOP.
This song gets real Beatles "Revolution" at the scream...one of my all time favorites
from them...who doesn't like an Honest Man?
Quote from: MamaKel on Mar 28, 2012, 10:00 AM
This song gets real Beatles "Revolution" at the scream...one of my all time favorites
from them...who doesn't like an Honest Man?
Put me in the "love it' column. Always a treat for me when I get an Honest Man at a show. Now if they would just turn Bo up a bit, and give him some time to let loose on this one live, I'll be all set. There's definitely some room in a live performance of HM for more Bo . That would put this tune over the top for me.
Like where it goes into the guitar solo? Bo could do something real New Orleans...I just hear N.O. Jazz in my head...but there are so many spots where Bo's piano just makes te song a whole new thing...the playing on the new interlude on Golden...the end of Steam Engine...I really wanna hear them turn it out on TMIGTS pt.2...I just hear this opportunity to just jam funk rock where Jim is going "eh-eh-eey"...u know what I'm talking about?
Quote from: johnnYYac on Mar 14, 2012, 07:57 PM
I never skip it, and Montreal reminded me why.
I'm the bobbing bald head directly below Jim. (http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6124/5940008645_2749f02fe5_m.jpg)
My Morning Jacket -- Honest Man -- Live at the Metropolis, July 12 2011 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHJ3h5mDrs8#ws)
I took some photos, too.
(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6006/5938530295_ec82d70003.jpg)
(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6137/5938530493_c77df258b8.jpg)
(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6011/5938530875_4cb2616823.jpg)
(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6023/5939936883_5c864beda6.jpg)
(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6138/5939083912_3db68b7cbd.jpg)
I'm with you Johnny!
Honest Man is definitely one of my favs.
Play it every day...never skip it coz I love BLUES.
Thanks for dusting off my post. I'll never forget this specific moment, waking up with a sore neck in my fleabag hotel right next to the Metropolis. Here's that YouTube video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHJ3h5mDrs8#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHJ3h5mDrs8#ws)
Honest Man was a definite highlight of Red Rocks. Its nota favorite song of mine, but damn it was awesome that night
It was fine that night, ewind. It was as badass as Masterplan and Twilight.
Quote from: e_wind on Sep 09, 2012, 07:16 PM
Honest Man was a definite highlight of Red Rocks. Its nota favorite song of mine, but damn it was awesome that night
i played RR night 2 while doing some housework and kept listening to the stretch from 4:00 on...love the shot of JJ on Patrick's drumkit with the crowd just bouncing in the background. i've always loved this song, but i'm certainly a sucker for good ol fashioned blues riffs.
http://youtu.be/L2Hpffz6rrA?t=4m6s (http://youtu.be/L2Hpffz6rrA?t=4m6s)
Quote from: zanjam on Mar 23, 2012, 01:30 AM
Quote from: Fully on Mar 17, 2012, 05:31 PM
Quote from: e_wind on Mar 17, 2012, 10:50 AM
I listened to Evil Urges for the first time in awhile a couple days ago and I once again realized that all of it- even two halves- is great
I agree. I never understood all of the criticism of that album. And I have to say that I've always loved Highly Suspicious. The first time I heard it I thought it was hilarious and listening to it live, particularly when PHJB is playing with them, it just rocks. It is one of my favorite albums of the bands; but to be honest, I can't say that there is one of their albums that I dislike. There are a few songs. I loathe The Day is Coming because I think it sounds like stereotypical supermarket music and the lyrics are just boring. But that is probably the only song of MMJ's that I have a big problem with. The few others that I don't care for don't inspire that much passionate hate.
I SO don't get The Day Is Coming hatred. I love love love love it. Love it. And love it some more. But I put Highly Suspicious in a First Light category. I can tolerate it, but it is certainly not my first choice of song. Funny how peeps gravitate towards certain styles. Day is Coming is up there for me!!
Fully, totally agree on Highly Suspicious. One of their most unique songs.
And Jen, the Day Is Coming hatred is a lot more understandable than the lack of love for Honest Man. Honest Man is like the same raw, heavy country/blues in the vein of "Yer Blues". I couldn't love that song more.
I grew up in Mississippi.
Honest Man isn't a blues song as much as it is someone trying to play a blues song.
Now, Phone Went West is a blues song!
Quote from: ItBeats4Jew on Sep 10, 2012, 01:54 PM
Quote from: zanjam on Mar 23, 2012, 01:30 AM
Quote from: Fully on Mar 17, 2012, 05:31 PM
Quote from: e_wind on Mar 17, 2012, 10:50 AM
I listened to Evil Urges for the first time in awhile a couple days ago and I once again realized that all of it- even two halves- is great
I agree. I never understood all of the criticism of that album. And I have to say that I've always loved Highly Suspicious. The first time I heard it I thought it was hilarious and listening to it live, particularly when PHJB is playing with them, it just rocks. It is one of my favorite albums of the bands; but to be honest, I can't say that there is one of their albums that I dislike. There are a few songs. I loathe The Day is Coming because I think it sounds like stereotypical supermarket music and the lyrics are just boring. But that is probably the only song of MMJ's that I have a big problem with. The few others that I don't care for don't inspire that much passionate hate.
I SO don't get The Day Is Coming hatred. I love love love love it. Love it. And love it some more. But I put Highly Suspicious in a First Light category. I can tolerate it, but it is certainly not my first choice of song. Funny how peeps gravitate towards certain styles. Day is Coming is up there for me!!
Fully, totally agree on Highly Suspicious. One of their most unique songs.
And Jen, the Day Is Coming hatred is a lot more understandable than the lack of love for Honest Man. Honest Man is like the same raw, heavy country/blues in the vein of "Yer Blues". I couldn't love that song more.
I
didn't say that, someone cut off my comment. 😄 Edited - apparently now that I'm on my computer I see that I did say it. (L O S E R)
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Sep 10, 2012, 02:09 PM
I grew up in Mississippi.
Honest Man isn't a blues song as much as it is someone trying to play a blues song.
Now, Phone Went West is a blues song!
Phone Went West is a reggae song to me. At least the live version is.
Quote from: ItBeats4Jew on Sep 10, 2012, 02:45 PM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Sep 10, 2012, 02:09 PM
I grew up in Mississippi.
Honest Man isn't a blues song as much as it is someone trying to play a blues song.
Now, Phone Went West is a blues song!
Phone Went West is a reggae song to me. At least the live version is.
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j251/dawnd_01/FALL%202011/doh.gif)
Quote from: ItBeats4Jew on Sep 10, 2012, 02:45 PM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Sep 10, 2012, 02:09 PM
I grew up in Mississippi.
Honest Man isn't a blues song as much as it is someone trying to play a blues song.
Now, Phone Went West is a blues song!
Phone Went West is a reggae song to me. At least the live version is.
Right! :grin:
and Bob Marley was a pot smoking Rastafarian! :grin:
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Sep 10, 2012, 02:09 PM
Honest Man isn't a blues song as much as it is someone trying to play a blues song.
That's how I feel. It just doesn't do anything for me. Seems so amateur-Blues ish. But I appreciate that for many of you it's mindblowing.
Quote from: mahg33ta on Sep 10, 2012, 03:21 PM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Sep 10, 2012, 02:09 PM
Honest Man isn't a blues song as much as it is someone trying to play a blues song.
That's how I feel. It just doesn't do anything for me. Seems so amateur-Blues ish. But I appreciate that for many of you it's mindblowing.
I don't think it's great as far as being a blues song, but after I heard it at Red Rocks, I really don't care. That version made me feel things in dirty places.
Fully's list of dirty places - Her kids' rooms, her car, the kitty litter box....
While At Dawn is on my list of best albums ever, there are days when I skip over the whole album just to hear Honest Man :-\
i believe that is what you meant, right? right?
i cannot get over the honest man dislike in this thread. it is the ultimate monster live, unbelievably big and hard and loud and gritty and dirty and screamy. probably my top 5 favorite songs to hear in concert; if not my favorite.
listen to the RR version VERY LOUD and see if that doesnt change your mind.
Love this song live, first time for me hearing it live wat 2011 Chicago Auditorium show. Let's just say that I felt like I got kicked in the face by the whole band and still came back for more! Carl killed it the entire song.
CHIMMJFAN
Blues, alt-blues, wanna be blues - whatevs. I love this song and was thrilled to get it at Red Rocks.
As for me, I do believe, that good love comes from tryin'. You said it, Jimmy. BOOM!
good LUCK comes from tryin... but he still said it. BOOM!
Shouting down, I hope you make it, on this earfff.
Quote from: smhoffmann02 on Sep 25, 2012, 01:37 PM
Blues, alt-blues, wanna be blues - whatevs. I love this song and was thrilled to get it at Red Rocks.
As for me, I do believe, that good love comes from tryin'. You said it, Jimmy. BOOM!
Agreed, I wish MMJ would do another blues song.