So I made a YY tee shirt

AMightyCaporal · Mar 08, 2010, 03:51 PM

haven't heard back from MMJ management. I hope they respond soon. Anyone have any suggestions about that?

capt. scotty · Mar 08, 2010, 06:25 PM

Quotehaven't heard back from MMJ management. I hope they respond soon. Anyone have any suggestions about that?

If youre not selling them for profit (which I dont believe you are), and just charging the people youre making them for what it cost to produce them (actual shirt + printing), then I dont think there is any problem on the legality side.

I could be wrong, but I think thats basically correct because you just shouldnt be making money off MMJ's name/brand

aMillionDreams · Mar 08, 2010, 08:49 PM

If it's not for profit you should be okay. Management has a guy who checks out the boards and if he hasn't contacted you to tell you he has a problem, you're probably okay. If you're wanting to actually make contact with management about design opportunities, pm me, I may be able to help.

Sassbox · Mar 09, 2010, 06:59 PM

Personally, I'd wait to hear from management. We have a couple of attorneys on this board, don't we? Has anyone asked them?

It's not necessarily true that not profiting does not violate copyright laws, btw.

AMightyCaporal · Mar 09, 2010, 09:34 PM

Thanks to some help from Dylan I got in contact with management. Awaiting to hear their word on it.

BH · Mar 10, 2010, 11:58 PM

So if I put a picture of Bob Dylan on a shirt and sell it, that's violating copyright laws? So every rock and roll t-shirt out there is paying a royalty to the artist?

capt. scotty · Mar 11, 2010, 03:59 AM

QuoteSo if I put a picture of Bob Dylan on a shirt and sell it, that's violating copyright laws? So every rock and roll t-shirt out there is paying a royalty to the artist?

To some degree, all of the legal ones...YES!

For some reason, I dont think MMJ will feel slighted if 40 rabid Jacketeers show up at MPP with the shirt that AMC made though

AMightyCaporal · Mar 11, 2010, 07:13 AM

well folks, I went to management anyway because I want this design to be printed on a better quality tee with a better quality printing technique than I can afford. I don't have the money to get the shirts ordered and printed and then shipped out to everyone... if I had a job then maybe I could do it another time or if management doesn't want to do the shirts then I'll have to work something else out.

jones · Mar 11, 2010, 09:09 AM

Quotewell folks, I went to management anyway because I want this design to be printed on a better quality tee with a better quality printing technique than I can afford. I don't have the money to get the shirts ordered and printed and then shipped out to everyone... if I had a job then maybe I could do it another time or if management doesn't want to do the shirts then I'll have to work something else out.

What if everyone who is interested pays for their shirt/s up front if management doesn't want to participate? That way you wouldn't be out any dough and you would have a solid number as far as quantity is conerned. In the mean time we'll just hope that they're on board.

AMightyCaporal · Mar 11, 2010, 10:30 AM

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Quotewell folks, I went to management anyway because I want this design to be printed on a better quality tee with a better quality printing technique than I can afford. I don't have the money to get the shirts ordered and printed and then shipped out to everyone... if I had a job then maybe I could do it another time or if management doesn't want to do the shirts then I'll have to work something else out.

What if everyone who is interested pays for their shirt/s up front if management doesn't want to participate? That way you wouldn't be out any dough and you would have a solid number as far as quantity is conerned. In the mean time we'll just hope that they're on board.

True that man, I think that's what I'll have to do... and then when I get all your money I'll run off to mexico and you'll never hear from me again BWHAHAHAHA!

Sassbox · Mar 11, 2010, 12:39 PM

I'm not an attorney, though with as little as I know about copyright, you cannot reproduce someone's image/likeness without their express consent. While profit does play a part, that is not the only consideration.

Regardless of if the band "minds," there are other considerations and, since we are fans of this band, we ought to be mindful of those. Well, we should be mindful, regardless.

I think the design is great, btw.

AMightyCaporal · Mar 11, 2010, 12:51 PM

QuoteI'm not an attorney, though with as little as I know about copyright, you cannot reproduce someone's image/likeness without their express consent. While profit does play a part, that is not the only consideration.

Regardless of if the band "minds," there are other considerations and, since we are fans of this band, we ought to be mindful of those. Well, we should be mindful, regardless.

I think the design is great, btw.

thanks sass

ALady · Mar 11, 2010, 12:59 PM

QuoteSo if I put a picture of Bob Dylan on a shirt and sell it, that's violating copyright laws? So every rock and roll t-shirt out there is paying a royalty to the artist?

A licensing fee, yes.

It's a dilution issue - if people go around bootlegging shirts with bands' names and images on them, not only will people be less likely to buy official merch (so the band loses money) but the band can't control the quality of the merch and in turn the quality associated with their name and brand. Many bands tend to be protective of their intellectual property since they make more money on merch than CD sales.

I know we don't like to think of it like a business, but it is.

All that said, we know AMC has the best of intentions (not to mention a kickass design!) and by taking this to management he's avoiding potential trouble down the road. Best of luck to you! :)

jones · Mar 11, 2010, 01:32 PM

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QuoteSo if I put a picture of Bob Dylan on a shirt and sell it, that's violating copyright laws? So every rock and roll t-shirt out there is paying a royalty to the artist?

A licensing fee, yes.

It's a dilution issue - if people go around bootlegging shirts with bands' names and images on them, not only will people be less likely to buy official merch (so the band loses money) but the band can't control the quality of the merch and in turn the quality associated with their name and brand. Many bands tend to be protective of their intellectual property since they make more money on merch than CD sales.

I know we don't like to think of it like a business, but it is.

All that said, we know AMC has the best of intentions (not to mention a kickass design!) and by taking this to management he's avoiding potential trouble down the road. Best of luck to you! :)

Nicely put.

ALady · Mar 11, 2010, 02:04 PM

Of course, these are (some of) the same people who gave us the "make-your-own-Monsters-of-Folk-shirt" stencil, so who knows. ;D Better safe than sorry, is all.

capt. scotty · Mar 11, 2010, 02:29 PM

As far as shipping the shirts out to everyone AMC, Id say just bring em to the show and hand them out as people arrive.

Erik26 · Mar 11, 2010, 02:33 PM

I love the black one! I would be willing to pay up front. Can you do baby T's for girls? If so I'll take 2, a men's and women's. Also, a suggestion for the back to make it a little more of a forum insider thing...RAMPANT BADASSERY!!! Thanks again to yvon for the stickers last tour!

BH · Mar 11, 2010, 03:44 PM

There ya go. Rampant Baddassery! No mmj lyrics and that could be any ol' bearded person. No court could ever prove that it's Yim.

;)

kymomandstuff · Apr 10, 2010, 06:13 AM

One more vote for Rampant Badassery.

DaFunkyPrecedent · Apr 11, 2010, 08:50 PM

so dope! sign me up!!!

i designed a tee recently too for Coachella - take a peak. this is an awesome sight for selling shirts. you get some cash out of it too (10%). This would be a good place to perhaps post em.

http://www.zazzle.com/tgv_coachella_2010_dark_tshirt-235995044329316658