The NFL Thread: 2010

[capt. scotty]

These pictures are sort of like texting pics of your junk to some woman in New York or sexually assaulting a woman at a bar in Georgia or Lake Tahoe.
 

I think its funny you continue to bring up Roethlisberger's allegations like it matters to me. I DONT CARE!!

I love Ben the player, I couldnt care less what he does off the field. Same with Farve. Also, sexting /= cheating on your wife. I judge player's by what they do on the field, not off the field. Drew Brees could give his entire salary to facial birthmark research and I wouldnt think he's any better than the 4th best QB in the league.

[Taterbug]

I gotta chime in on this.  Big Ben is a good Q.B. but he is not even close to being qualified to hold Peyton Mannings jock strap. Manning WILL hold every passing record before he retires.  

[capt. scotty]

I gotta chime in on this.  Big Ben is a good Q.B. but he is not even close to being qualified to hold Peyton Mannings jock strap. Manning WILL hold every passing record before he retires.  

Peyton is the best QB ever, IMO..That said, no one besides maybe Aaron Rodgers could do what Ben's been able to do behind our abhorrent pass blocking OL..Peyton, Brady, Brees wouldnt be able to survive most seasons.

[Tracy 3000]

I gotta chime in on this.  Big Ben is a good Q.B. but he is not even close to being qualified to hold Peyton Mannings jock strap. Manning WILL hold every passing record before he retires.  

Peyton is the best QB ever, IMO..That said, no one besides maybe Aaron Rodgers could do what Ben's been able to do behind our abhorrent pass blocking OL..Peyton, Brady, Brees wouldnt be able to survive most seasons.

Ben gets half his sacks b/c he holds the ball too long. Lots of all-pro QB's on TV criticize him for that; lack of a functioning clock in his head and always trying to make the big play. Plus, he's always scoping chicks in the stands. You ever wonder why the Steelers don't have cheerleaders? Freaking law suit waiting to happen with Big Ben around.

My God, can you imagine if he played for the Cowboys? He'd be benched (or in jail) within 3 weeks!  ;D

[capt. scotty]

I gotta chime in on this.  Big Ben is a good Q.B. but he is not even close to being qualified to hold Peyton Mannings jock strap. Manning WILL hold every passing record before he retires.  

Peyton is the best QB ever, IMO..That said, no one besides maybe Aaron Rodgers could do what Ben's been able to do behind our abhorrent pass blocking OL..Peyton, Brady, Brees wouldnt be able to survive most seasons.

Ben gets half his sacks b/c he holds the ball too long. Lots of all-pro QB's on TV criticize him for that; lack of a functioning clock in his head and always trying to make the big play.

The rest of your post is just stupidity, but people who say Ben gets sacked too much bc he holds the ball too long watch highlights and see him play twice a year. Some sacks due to that? Certainly, but no more than 90% of the other QBs in the league. He makes more bad decisions throwing into coverage than he does holding the ball too long.

And he makes a TON of big plays because of it as well. Thats why I said Rodgers is probably the only other guy who could succeed behind our line, because Peyton, Brady, and Brees would all be on their asses whereas Ben is strong enough to break tackles, and is rolling out strong side and completing a 20 yard pass

[ManNamedTruth]

Tracy must know I'm right cause he hasn't replied back to any of my posts.

[Tracy 3000]

Tracy must know I'm right cause he hasn't replied back to any of my posts.

Actually, I'm just having fun getting a rise out of all of you; sorry.

Arguing about sports on a message board is silly.

[Ruckus]

I gotta chime in on this.  Big Ben is a good Q.B. but he is not even close to being qualified to hold Peyton Mannings jock strap. Manning WILL hold every passing record before he retires.  

Peyton is the best QB ever, IMO..That said, no one besides maybe Aaron Rodgers could do what Ben's been able to do behind our abhorrent pass blocking OL..Peyton, Brady, Brees wouldnt be able to survive most seasons.

Ben gets half his sacks b/c he holds the ball too long. Lots of all-pro QB's on TV criticize him for that; lack of a functioning clock in his head and always trying to make the big play.

The rest of your post is just stupidity, but people who say Ben gets sacked too much bc he holds the ball too long watch highlights and see him play twice a year. Some sacks due to that? Certainly, but no more than 90% of the other QBs in the league. He makes more bad decisions throwing into coverage than he does holding the ball too long.

And he makes a TON of big plays because of it as well. Thats why I said Rodgers is probably the only other guy who could succeed behind our line, because Peyton, Brady, and Brees would all be on their asses whereas Ben is strong enough to break tackles, and is rolling out strong side and completing a 20 yard pass

I think all y'all are right and the answer lies somewhere in the middle.  Yes, Manning is the best I've ever seen.  I also believe that Brees, Manning and Brady could easily play behind Pittsburgh's OL.  Their ability to ready coverage and beat aggressive blitzes by getting rid of the ball quickly nullifies pressure.  You'll never see those three, particularly Manning and Brees take sacks because they get rid of the ball so quickly.

On the other hand, what Roethlisberger does is unquantifiable.  He has the knack of sustaining drives and making the big play after the perfect D was called.  When you make the perfect call against Brees or Manning, they might throw it away or throw it incomplete.  Big Ben will take the hit, shake off the defender and make that play on a receiver adjustment, either for a shorter comeback or out...or the deep release bomb that the other three are not capable of.  

It's tough to compare them as only Brady has had a defense comparable to what Ben has had in Pitt.

I guarantee you that those three would still operate fine and make that Pitt line look good.

[Tracy 3000]

I gotta chime in on this.  Big Ben is a good Q.B. but he is not even close to being qualified to hold Peyton Mannings jock strap. Manning WILL hold every passing record before he retires.  

Peyton is the best QB ever, IMO..That said, no one besides maybe Aaron Rodgers could do what Ben's been able to do behind our abhorrent pass blocking OL..Peyton, Brady, Brees wouldnt be able to survive most seasons.

Ben gets half his sacks b/c he holds the ball too long. Lots of all-pro QB's on TV criticize him for that; lack of a functioning clock in his head and always trying to make the big play.

The rest of your post is just stupidity, but people who say Ben gets sacked too much bc he holds the ball too long watch highlights and see him play twice a year. Some sacks due to that? Certainly, but no more than 90% of the other QBs in the league. He makes more bad decisions throwing into coverage than he does holding the ball too long.

And he makes a TON of big plays because of it as well. Thats why I said Rodgers is probably the only other guy who could succeed behind our line, because Peyton, Brady, and Brees would all be on their asses whereas Ben is strong enough to break tackles, and is rolling out strong side and completing a 20 yard pass

I think all y'all are right and the answer lies somewhere in the middle.  Yes, Manning is the best I've ever seen.  I also believe that Brees, Manning and Brady could easily play behind Pittsburgh's OL.  Their ability to ready coverage and beat aggressive blitzes by getting rid of the ball quickly nullifies pressure.  You'll never see those three, particularly Manning and Brees take sacks because they get rid of the ball so quickly.

On the other hand, what Roethlisberger does is unquantifiable.  He has the knack of sustaining drives and making the big play after the perfect D was called.  When you make the perfect call against Brees or Manning, they might throw it away or throw it incomplete.  Big Ben will take the hit, shake off the defender and make that play on a receiver adjustment, either for a shorter comeback or out...or the deep release bomb that the other three are not capable of.  

It's tough to compare them as only Brady has had a defense comparable to what Ben has had in Pitt.

I guarantee you that those three would still operate fine and make that Pitt line look good.

sure Ruckus, right, blah, blah, blah....

but could Big Ben last in Miami?

[capt. scotty]

I gotta chime in on this.  Big Ben is a good Q.B. but he is not even close to being qualified to hold Peyton Mannings jock strap. Manning WILL hold every passing record before he retires.  

Peyton is the best QB ever, IMO..That said, no one besides maybe Aaron Rodgers could do what Ben's been able to do behind our abhorrent pass blocking OL..Peyton, Brady, Brees wouldnt be able to survive most seasons.

Ben gets half his sacks b/c he holds the ball too long. Lots of all-pro QB's on TV criticize him for that; lack of a functioning clock in his head and always trying to make the big play.

The rest of your post is just stupidity, but people who say Ben gets sacked too much bc he holds the ball too long watch highlights and see him play twice a year. Some sacks due to that? Certainly, but no more than 90% of the other QBs in the league. He makes more bad decisions throwing into coverage than he does holding the ball too long.

And he makes a TON of big plays because of it as well. Thats why I said Rodgers is probably the only other guy who could succeed behind our line, because Peyton, Brady, and Brees would all be on their asses whereas Ben is strong enough to break tackles, and is rolling out strong side and completing a 20 yard pass

I think all y'all are right and the answer lies somewhere in the middle.  Yes, Manning is the best I've ever seen.  I also believe that Brees, Manning and Brady could easily play behind Pittsburgh's OL.  Their ability to ready coverage and beat aggressive blitzes by getting rid of the ball quickly nullifies pressure.  You'll never see those three, particularly Manning and Brees take sacks because they get rid of the ball so quickly.

On the other hand, what Roethlisberger does is unquantifiable.  He has the knack of sustaining drives and making the big play after the perfect D was called.  When you make the perfect call against Brees or Manning, they might throw it away or throw it incomplete.  Big Ben will take the hit, shake off the defender and make that play on a receiver adjustment, either for a shorter comeback or out...or the deep release bomb that the other three are not capable of.  

It's tough to compare them as only Brady has had a defense comparable to what Ben has had in Pitt.

I guarantee you that those three would still operate fine and make that Pitt line look good.

Agreed, and Im not saying those 3 QBs would become average QBs behind our line, theyre good QBs, but I think they also play 13 game (or less) seasons more often than not. Yes, the ability to read defenses and make quick plays would help, but if Bruce Arians was their OC, dont count on it!!

All 3 of those guys have played behind talented pass blocking OLs their entire career, Ben hasnt since his first year or two. And above all else, all 3 of those guys have had great continuity on the OL. Right now we have only 2/5 of the guys that started for our OL just last year. Our line gets beat not from teams blitzing it, but from mediocrity, and Ben not having time to find a receiver 50% of the time because there are still 7 guys in coverage

[Ruckus]

I gotta chime in on this.  Big Ben is a good Q.B. but he is not even close to being qualified to hold Peyton Mannings jock strap. Manning WILL hold every passing record before he retires.  

Peyton is the best QB ever, IMO..That said, no one besides maybe Aaron Rodgers could do what Ben's been able to do behind our abhorrent pass blocking OL..Peyton, Brady, Brees wouldnt be able to survive most seasons.

Ben gets half his sacks b/c he holds the ball too long. Lots of all-pro QB's on TV criticize him for that; lack of a functioning clock in his head and always trying to make the big play.

The rest of your post is just stupidity, but people who say Ben gets sacked too much bc he holds the ball too long watch highlights and see him play twice a year. Some sacks due to that? Certainly, but no more than 90% of the other QBs in the league. He makes more bad decisions throwing into coverage than he does holding the ball too long.

And he makes a TON of big plays because of it as well. Thats why I said Rodgers is probably the only other guy who could succeed behind our line, because Peyton, Brady, and Brees would all be on their asses whereas Ben is strong enough to break tackles, and is rolling out strong side and completing a 20 yard pass

I think all y'all are right and the answer lies somewhere in the middle.  Yes, Manning is the best I've ever seen.  I also believe that Brees, Manning and Brady could easily play behind Pittsburgh's OL.  Their ability to ready coverage and beat aggressive blitzes by getting rid of the ball quickly nullifies pressure.  You'll never see those three, particularly Manning and Brees take sacks because they get rid of the ball so quickly.

On the other hand, what Roethlisberger does is unquantifiable.  He has the knack of sustaining drives and making the big play after the perfect D was called.  When you make the perfect call against Brees or Manning, they might throw it away or throw it incomplete.  Big Ben will take the hit, shake off the defender and make that play on a receiver adjustment, either for a shorter comeback or out...or the deep release bomb that the other three are not capable of.  

It's tough to compare them as only Brady has had a defense comparable to what Ben has had in Pitt.

I guarantee you that those three would still operate fine and make that Pitt line look good.

Agreed, and Im not saying those 3 QBs would become average QBs behind our line, theyre good QBs, but I think they also play 13 game (or less) seasons more often than not. Yes, the ability to read defenses and make quick plays would help, but if Bruce Arians was their OC, dont count on it!!

All 3 of those guys have played behind talented pass blocking OLs their entire career, Ben hasnt since his first year or two. And above all else, all 3 of those guys have had great continuity on the OL. Right now we have only 2/5 of the guys that started for our OL just last year. Our line gets beat not from teams blitzing it, but from mediocrity, and Ben not having time to find a receiver 50% of the time because there are still 7 guys in coverage

I disagree about the pass blocking OLine argument.  Brady and Manning regularly operated behind lines made of low round to undrafted picks.  They weren't coached up beyond their physical abilities.  The QB's made them better than their physical abilities allowed.  There is a reason that O linemen from Indy and NE didn't leave for the most part over the past decade for big free agent contracts.  Teams didn't think they were all that good.

I'm not taking anything away from Ben but I disagree if you somehow think his lines are that inferior to what Manning and Brady have had over the years.

[Ruckus]

I gotta chime in on this.  Big Ben is a good Q.B. but he is not even close to being qualified to hold Peyton Mannings jock strap. Manning WILL hold every passing record before he retires.  

Peyton is the best QB ever, IMO..That said, no one besides maybe Aaron Rodgers could do what Ben's been able to do behind our abhorrent pass blocking OL..Peyton, Brady, Brees wouldnt be able to survive most seasons.

Ben gets half his sacks b/c he holds the ball too long. Lots of all-pro QB's on TV criticize him for that; lack of a functioning clock in his head and always trying to make the big play.

The rest of your post is just stupidity, but people who say Ben gets sacked too much bc he holds the ball too long watch highlights and see him play twice a year. Some sacks due to that? Certainly, but no more than 90% of the other QBs in the league. He makes more bad decisions throwing into coverage than he does holding the ball too long.

And he makes a TON of big plays because of it as well. Thats why I said Rodgers is probably the only other guy who could succeed behind our line, because Peyton, Brady, and Brees would all be on their asses whereas Ben is strong enough to break tackles, and is rolling out strong side and completing a 20 yard pass

I think all y'all are right and the answer lies somewhere in the middle.  Yes, Manning is the best I've ever seen.  I also believe that Brees, Manning and Brady could easily play behind Pittsburgh's OL.  Their ability to ready coverage and beat aggressive blitzes by getting rid of the ball quickly nullifies pressure.  You'll never see those three, particularly Manning and Brees take sacks because they get rid of the ball so quickly.

On the other hand, what Roethlisberger does is unquantifiable.  He has the knack of sustaining drives and making the big play after the perfect D was called.  When you make the perfect call against Brees or Manning, they might throw it away or throw it incomplete.  Big Ben will take the hit, shake off the defender and make that play on a receiver adjustment, either for a shorter comeback or out...or the deep release bomb that the other three are not capable of.  

It's tough to compare them as only Brady has had a defense comparable to what Ben has had in Pitt.

I guarantee you that those three would still operate fine and make that Pitt line look good.

sure Ruckus, right, blah, blah, blah....

but could Big Ben last in Miami?

I couldn't last in Miami Trace.  But we all aren't as noble as you.

[capt. scotty]

I gotta chime in on this.  Big Ben is a good Q.B. but he is not even close to being qualified to hold Peyton Mannings jock strap. Manning WILL hold every passing record before he retires.  

Peyton is the best QB ever, IMO..That said, no one besides maybe Aaron Rodgers could do what Ben's been able to do behind our abhorrent pass blocking OL..Peyton, Brady, Brees wouldnt be able to survive most seasons.

Ben gets half his sacks b/c he holds the ball too long. Lots of all-pro QB's on TV criticize him for that; lack of a functioning clock in his head and always trying to make the big play.

The rest of your post is just stupidity, but people who say Ben gets sacked too much bc he holds the ball too long watch highlights and see him play twice a year. Some sacks due to that? Certainly, but no more than 90% of the other QBs in the league. He makes more bad decisions throwing into coverage than he does holding the ball too long.

And he makes a TON of big plays because of it as well. Thats why I said Rodgers is probably the only other guy who could succeed behind our line, because Peyton, Brady, and Brees would all be on their asses whereas Ben is strong enough to break tackles, and is rolling out strong side and completing a 20 yard pass

I think all y'all are right and the answer lies somewhere in the middle.  Yes, Manning is the best I've ever seen.  I also believe that Brees, Manning and Brady could easily play behind Pittsburgh's OL.  Their ability to ready coverage and beat aggressive blitzes by getting rid of the ball quickly nullifies pressure.  You'll never see those three, particularly Manning and Brees take sacks because they get rid of the ball so quickly.

On the other hand, what Roethlisberger does is unquantifiable.  He has the knack of sustaining drives and making the big play after the perfect D was called.  When you make the perfect call against Brees or Manning, they might throw it away or throw it incomplete.  Big Ben will take the hit, shake off the defender and make that play on a receiver adjustment, either for a shorter comeback or out...or the deep release bomb that the other three are not capable of.  

It's tough to compare them as only Brady has had a defense comparable to what Ben has had in Pitt.

I guarantee you that those three would still operate fine and make that Pitt line look good.

Agreed, and Im not saying those 3 QBs would become average QBs behind our line, theyre good QBs, but I think they also play 13 game (or less) seasons more often than not. Yes, the ability to read defenses and make quick plays would help, but if Bruce Arians was their OC, dont count on it!!

All 3 of those guys have played behind talented pass blocking OLs their entire career, Ben hasnt since his first year or two. And above all else, all 3 of those guys have had great continuity on the OL. Right now we have only 2/5 of the guys that started for our OL just last year. Our line gets beat not from teams blitzing it, but from mediocrity, and Ben not having time to find a receiver 50% of the time because there are still 7 guys in coverage

I disagree about the pass blocking OLine argument.  Brady and Manning regularly operated behind lines made of low round to undrafted picks.  They weren't coached up beyond their physical abilities.  The QB's made them better than their physical abilities allowed.  There is a reason that O linemen from Indy and NE didn't leave for the most part over the past decade for big free agent contracts.  Teams didn't think they were all that good.

I'm not taking anything away from Ben but I disagree if you somehow think his lines are that inferior to what Manning and Brady have had over the years.

High draft picks /= skilled OLmen..Plenty of 1st rounders flop, plenty of guys taken later that flourish...And like I said in my last post, the cohesiveness of the lines Manning and Brady have played behind is ridiculous....Light/Mankins/Koppen/Neal/Kaczur has been Brady's line for eternity, and the couple guys who were the for their 1st super bowl were there forever as well. Mannings line has changed more recently, but Saturday and Diem have been there his entire career.

[Ruckus]

Light/Mankins/Koppen/Neal/Kaczur were amazing against the Giants front 4 ;D

[capt. scotty]

Light/Mankins/Koppen/Neal/Kaczur were amazing against the Giants front 4 ;D

Hey, I aint complaining!  ;D

[ManNamedTruth]

Tracy must know I'm right cause he hasn't replied back to any of my posts.

Actually, I'm just having fun getting a rise out of all of you; sorry.

Arguing about sports on a message board is silly.

yeah you pull that shit every time

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[Tracy 3000]

Tracy must know I'm right cause he hasn't replied back to any of my posts.

Actually, I'm just having fun getting a rise out of all of you; sorry.

Arguing about sports on a message board is silly.

yeah you pull that shit every time

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[size=24]SO WHY FALL FOR IT EVERY TIME?[/size]

[aMillionDreams]

So trying to get a rise out of somebody for the hell of it is fair game but discussing sports is silly?

Troll alert!!!

[Tracy 3000]

So trying to get a rise out of somebody for the hell of it is fair game but discussing sports is silly?

Troll alert!!!

I swear, I couldn't make this stuff up.  ;D   It's ARGUING about sports. ARGUING. Not discussing, like you said. ARGUING. I actually love DISCUSSING sports here. Get it right before you quote me incorrectly (again)

My God, some of you act like we're all stuck in an elevator together. If I bother you, just ignore me. Some people get me and understand I am harmeless. Others act like I have violated their honor or integrity.

I wouldn't take it so seriously and if you can't do that, just ignore me. I'm just having fun.

[.Walt]

Just don't evvvvver bring up fantasy football. Because this is a thread that's for real football fans. Not for people who wanna talk about Phillip Rivers' completion percentage...in the red zone...during the 2nd quarter...in away games...at night.

Right T!  :) :-*