"One Big Holiday" in MEXICO!!

[johnnYYac]

All three of those covers were really amazing the first, and even second time I saw them, but its too, much. It is possible that I'm just spoiled and have seen them too many times, but I would think most people in Mexico were in the same boat.

I agree with you completely that we've been there, done that.   But, I would guess that less than 10% of the people there have seen those songs before.   Besides us hardcore, everyone I talked to the next day were saying how great and novel that was.

Well, those same people that were so into the covers would have been just as into them even if they were different/new covers, and then us hardcores would have been satisfied as well. 

This is a very minor complaint, but the fact of no new covers played is defintely a little surprising.

I'm curious why they haven't performed the covers that have been recorded in-studio, such as Turn Turn Turn, True Love Ways, Trouble Sleep Yanga Wake Am, Leaving On A Jet Plane, Wear Your Love Like Heaven, Lullabyes Legends and Lies, All The Best, or Long As I Can See The Light.  They've all been winners in my book!

[dontgetupset]

Greetings all. I have been lurking here for years. Was with you at T5 and the Cap, had magical experiences at both, and love this band as much as y'all do.

Let me also say that, like others, it was only due to family issues (i.e. who will watch my kids etc...) that it became an impossibility. The whole experience sounds like it was as truly amazing as everyone has described it. I also have been checking livedownloads every day to see when these soundboards will be available.

However, these most recent posts about the covers are touching that I have been thinking about on and off since night 1 and that is: Shouldn't these shows have been a little better? Like when your most passionate fans are paying literally thousands of dollars with the primary purpose being to see their favorite band shouldn't there be numerous unprecedented moments?

-Covers. The covers aspect has been covered in these last few posts but yes the bananas thing is very NOT spontaneous and we have all basically seen one of the other covers in one way or another. Instead of covers that they have covered on soundtracks and other collections why not 3 covers that nobody has every heard from Jim's lips? I know that that woudl require rehearsal but that goes back to the thousands of dollars thing.

-New songs. I was as Phish Halloween this year (unfortunately) and I was included in those that were PISSED that they "covered themselves". That being said nobody would propose that the boys bust out the new album in  its entirety (though that would have been awesome) but why not a few of the most completed songs? I wouyldn't be writing this if they weren't JUST coming from the studio...

-Bust outs. I love the song El Caporal and especially with the whole Spanish element it would have been a very appropriate song to have played there. Anybody can pick the Tenn. Fire or At Dawn stuff they would have liked to hear but again this should have been like nothing else.

-Longer Sets- I know this has also been touched on but I was really really surprised that even with 4 am end times that the sets were as short as they were. The sets were almost identical in length to Port Chester and those shows were without a doubt a great length, however, a) this was an MMJ resort in the middle of Mexico when nobody had anywhere to go and b) they coulda pulled a Pearl Jam / Wilco at Solid Sound and done a 30-40 song set (I know, I know with 20 minute Dondante you cant have 40 songs but I think you know what I mean by this).

People on this board will have the knee-jerk reaction to me saying "some people will never be satisfied" but I (obviously) think my points are kinda valid and that other people feel the same way. I genuinely wish I could have been there and I'm sure that right now 10 days removed I would feel the same exact way as pretty much everyone here and, yes, it probably would have been the time of my life but that doesn't mean we can't have a discussion about those things that may have made the concerts themselves 95's instead of 99/100's. If there is a 2015/2016 OBH I am in but I'd at least hope there'll be a little more that would blow my mind.

[63schoefflin]

I was at the Pearl Jam Spectrum show where they played 40+ songs and 4 hours. They are my favorite band by a long shot.

I never saw it happening but the second night was as good as that show and the third was miles better. For me it's about how well they play a song... And they way they rocked out on some of them was just on a different level.

The Phish AC shows were fantastic (minus the own cover) and they are firing on all cylinders right now just like PJ, but right now MMJ is the best band you can see live. Never thought I would ever say that but they are in their prime right now. Eventually they will start replacing a few covers so everyone just needs to take a deep breath. I always complain about hearing Yellow Ledbedder but once show time hits, I end up needing it because it's just so damn good. That's the same how I feel about OBH.


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[JTG1975]

One of the best times of my life, shows were great, that one day with the contests was hilarious, I got DJ the pool basically the last two days. Can not wait til next year.

Nicely done, on the DJ

[justbcuzido]

I for one had the greatest experience of my life with my best friends listening to the greatest music that's out today. I have heard almost all of the covers played at OBH at least once and it bothered me not. Sure, the bananas thing is a bit forced at this point. I agree with JohnnyYAC that they should do these other covers that are GOLDEN. However, COME ON. I have seen nothing but negativity surrounding this event on this board. I spent the same money, made serious sacrifices the same as everyone else to get there and I have absolutely zero complaints.

Would I have loved to hear different songs they never play, absolutely!
Would I have loved to hear new covers, absolutely!
Would I change a thing about the experience. NO

[justbcuzido]

I for one had the greatest experience of my life with my best friends listening to the greatest music that's out today. I have heard almost all of the covers played at OBH at least once and it bothered me not. Sure, the bananas thing is a bit forced at this point. I agree with JohnnyYAC that they should do these other covers that are GOLDEN. However, COME ON. I have seen nothing but negativity surrounding this event on this board. I spent the same money, made serious sacrifices the same as everyone else to get there and I have absolutely zero complaints.

Would I have loved to hear different songs they never play, absolutely!
Would I have loved to hear new covers, absolutely!
Would I change a thing about the experience. NO

Below is a summary of all I have read here and it's been leaving me with a bad taste in my mouth.

Well, now that everybody has mentioned it, I was pretty disappointed with their covers. They always play the same ones. This also applies to their own songs as well. It's like, play a new song already, we've heard all of these before. Also, what's with them closing with OBH every damn time? I mean, C'mon guys.... Is it that hard to have a little creativity and do something different?

And that leads me to another thing... What's with them having the same opening music that they've had for the last year? And shit, they even played the same Outkast laden mix tape in between shows every damn night! It really seems as though the boys are hitting the cruise control on us HARDCORE fans... It's like, fuck it, we got them to Mexico, they have nowhere else to go, so fuck it, they'll listen to anything we make them listen to. I mean it has to be better than the flaming lips set right?

And really, no new songs? No new jams? And what's with their guitars? They keep playing the same ones. It's like get a new guitar already, geez! I have half a dozen guitars and I'm not even in a band, get your shit together MMJ or else I'll keep complaining that not only do you put on the greatest rock and roll show in live music today, but its so bad I keep coming back!


END RANT --- Come on folks, who can say they didn't have the greatest time of their life?

[JTG1975]

Greetings all. I have been lurking here for years. Was with you at T5 and the Cap, had magical experiences at both, and love this band as much as y'all do.

Let me also say that, like others, it was only due to family issues (i.e. who will watch my kids etc...) that it became an impossibility. The whole experience sounds like it was as truly amazing as everyone has described it. I also have been checking livedownloads every day to see when these soundboards will be available.

However, these most recent posts about the covers are touching that I have been thinking about on and off since night 1 and that is: Shouldn't these shows have been a little better? Like when your most passionate fans are paying literally thousands of dollars with the primary purpose being to see their favorite band shouldn't there be numerous unprecedented moments?

-Covers. The covers aspect has been covered in these last few posts but yes the bananas thing is very NOT spontaneous and we have all basically seen one of the other covers in one way or another. Instead of covers that they have covered on soundtracks and other collections why not 3 covers that nobody has every heard from Jim's lips? I know that that woudl require rehearsal but that goes back to the thousands of dollars thing.

-New songs. I was as Phish Halloween this year (unfortunately) and I was included in those that were PISSED that they "covered themselves". That being said nobody would propose that the boys bust out the new album in  its entirety (though that would have been awesome) but why not a few of the most completed songs? I wouyldn't be writing this if they weren't JUST coming from the studio...

-Bust outs. I love the song El Caporal and especially with the whole Spanish element it would have been a very appropriate song to have played there. Anybody can pick the Tenn. Fire or At Dawn stuff they would have liked to hear but again this should have been like nothing else.

-Longer Sets- I know this has also been touched on but I was really really surprised that even with 4 am end times that the sets were as short as they were. The sets were almost identical in length to Port Chester and those shows were without a doubt a great length, however, a) this was an MMJ resort in the middle of Mexico when nobody had anywhere to go and b) they coulda pulled a Pearl Jam / Wilco at Solid Sound and done a 30-40 song set (I know, I know with 20 minute Dondante you cant have 40 songs but I think you know what I mean by this).

People on this board will have the knee-jerk reaction to me saying "some people will never be satisfied" but I (obviously) think my points are kinda valid and that other people feel the same way. I genuinely wish I could have been there and I'm sure that right now 10 days removed I would feel the same exact way as pretty much everyone here and, yes, it probably would have been the time of my life but that doesn't mean we can't have a discussion about those things that may have made the concerts themselves 95's instead of 99/100's. If there is a 2015/2016 OBH I am in but I'd at least hope there'll be a little more that would blow my mind.

Lol

[jaye]

People on this board will have the knee-jerk reaction to me saying "some people will never be satisfied" but I (obviously) think my points are kinda valid and that other people feel the same way.

I agree people should be able to discuss their opinions - if you can't do it with other hardcore fans on the band's forum, where can you?   People can have a great time and totally love a band and a performance and should still be able to critique it. 

[JTG1975]

I for one had the greatest experience of my life with my best friends listening to the greatest music that's out today. I have heard almost all of the covers played at OBH at least once and it bothered me not. Sure, the bananas thing is a bit forced at this point. I agree with JohnnyYAC that they should do these other covers that are GOLDEN. However, COME ON. I have seen nothing but negativity surrounding this event on this board. I spent the same money, made serious sacrifices the same as everyone else to get there and I have absolutely zero complaints.

Would I have loved to hear different songs they never play, absolutely!
Would I have loved to hear new covers, absolutely!
Would I change a thing about the experience. NO

Below is a summary of all I have read here and it's been leaving me with a bad taste in my mouth.

Well, now that everybody has mentioned it, I was pretty disappointed with their covers. They always play the same ones. This also applies to their own songs as well. It's like, play a new song already, we've heard all of these before. Also, what's with them closing with OBH every damn time? I mean, C'mon guys.... Is it that hard to have a little creativity and do something different?

And that leads me to another thing... What's with them having the same opening music that they've had for the last year? And shit, they even played the same Outkast laden mix tape in between shows every damn night! It really seems as though the boys are hitting the cruise control on us HARDCORE fans... It's like, fuck it, we got them to Mexico, they have nowhere else to go, so fuck it, they'll listen to anything we make them listen to. I mean it has to be better than the flaming lips set right?

And really, no new songs? No new jams? And what's with their guitars? They keep playing the same ones. It's like get a new guitar already, geez! I have half a dozen guitars and I'm not even in a band, get your shit together MMJ or else I'll keep complaining that not only do you put on the greatest rock and roll show in live music today, but its so bad I keep coming back!


END RANT --- Come on folks, who can say they didn't have the greatest time of their life?

Well done.

(Could add: "since we spent so much money they really should have set aside a shit load of time to do a HUGE fucking endless line meet and greet. I mean, I played poker with a few guys and a few stayed up until 4am spinning tunes and partying with us, but shit, we should have had the chance to get in a really fucking long line, maybe starting at like 8am or something, so we could gush for 2.35 seconds and get a pic. jeez wtf. Wayne was cool for approximately 90 seconds when a bunch of drunken folks mobbed him after the lip sync). Room for improvement IMO!"

#FirstWorldMMJFanaticProblems

[dontgetupset]

JTG- your responses are funny and I really can't stress enough how I think this band is so damn good right now and how I am jealous of anyone that was able to attend this thing. In fact, in some ways, even if they have subsequent Caribbean festivals in different countries with 90 degree weather in January I STILL will be jealous that you guys got to go to the virgin one. It is not jealousy though that prompted my first post. I love every one of their studio albums and don't know what my musical life would be like without each and every one but when reviewing/analyzing/critiquing/digging deeper its okay for someone to say "where the $%^# did Highly Suspicious come from and why is it on this album?" (I love the song in every one of its incarnations). So too here.

JTG, you actually reminded me of another aspect that left me a little befuddled. I am a little surprised that the WHOLE band (read: MR. JJ) did not partake more in the daily activities and the goings-on on the grounds. Right now the guy is a superstar and it seems like every day he is covering a new song for a new soundtrack or the like so I can hear why he didn't want to be attacked or surrounded by passionate fans. But this goes back to the whole thousands-of-dollars thing. I think that the feeling on this board BEFORE 2014 was that part of paying the premium was to be in a close environment where everyone could sit in chairs around the pool drink and not worry about TMZ getting a hold of every instant since if you were paying to be there it meant you were passionate enough about the band to be capable of meeting the members and not freaking out.

Now that I'm add it let me add something else. At one point a long time ago somehow the idea got around that there may be an acoustic concert at checkout on Thursday. After Bobby Weir played his acoustic "surprise" set at Paradise Waits I, at least, expected that MMJ would sort of copy that (since only a minority of attendees were actually aware of the Weir event and therefore would have treated it with shock). Did it ruin the event that nothing like this happened? No. Was the music that WAS played awesome? Yes. But for that person with a blue collar job who spent a good portion of his annual earnings so that he could be completely blown away I imagine at least in the back of their mind they may have had slightly higher expectations about what to expect before January 26th. (Please don't address why a blue collar person should be spending so much money on an event like this or why his expectations would be so high).

[johnnYYac]

I actually respect the aptly-named dontgetupset for the commentary. I don't think the forum has been excessively negative about OBH but for a few obsessing over construction delays. I know it was a great time, but pretty much agree with each of these points. I was surprised by the lack of surprises in the three setlists, with a few notable exceptions. I found it disappointing, though perhaps understandable, that Jim and others stayed off-site and mostly out of sight from attendees but for the shows themselves. It should, in no way, suggest I think OBH was anything but an amazing time. But these are fair observations, in my humble, sure-wish-I-could've-gone opinion.


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[EverythingChanges]

People on this board will have the knee-jerk reaction to me saying "some people will never be satisfied" but I (obviously) think my points are kinda valid and that other people feel the same way.

I agree people should be able to discuss their opinions - if you can't do it with other hardcore fans on the band's forum, where can you?   People can have a great time and totally love a band and a performance and should still be able to critique it.

I agree.  Sometimes I feel like I have to watch what I say on this board, even if it isn't really a big deal because some people get bent out of shape.  No one is hating on this festival.  It was amazing for those who went, and fun to hear about from those who had to miss out.  However, lots of people made some very valid, minor, complaints.  That is not anything to get too upset over.  We should be able to openly discuss our favorite band, both the positives and negatives, without the back lash of upset board members.

I personally assumed there would be a couple setlist surprises for such a special occasion, but there really weren't any.  Maybe spontaneous curation sets and PC spoiled everyone.  Either way, I am always jealous when people get to see my two biggest white whales (Strangulation and O is the One) when I am not in attendance.

[Crayton09]

Greetings all. I have been lurking here for years. Was with you at T5 and the Cap, had magical experiences at both, and love this band as much as y'all do.

Let me also say that, like others, it was only due to family issues (i.e. who will watch my kids etc...) that it became an impossibility. The whole experience sounds like it was as truly amazing as everyone has described it. I also have been checking livedownloads every day to see when these soundboards will be available.

However, these most recent posts about the covers are touching that I have been thinking about on and off since night 1 and that is: Shouldn't these shows have been a little better? Like when your most passionate fans are paying literally thousands of dollars with the primary purpose being to see their favorite band shouldn't there be numerous unprecedented moments?

-Covers. The covers aspect has been covered in these last few posts but yes the bananas thing is very NOT spontaneous and we have all basically seen one of the other covers in one way or another. Instead of covers that they have covered on soundtracks and other collections why not 3 covers that nobody has every heard from Jim's lips? I know that that woudl require rehearsal but that goes back to the thousands of dollars thing.

-New songs. I was as Phish Halloween this year (unfortunately) and I was included in those that were PISSED that they "covered themselves". That being said nobody would propose that the boys bust out the new album in  its entirety (though that would have been awesome) but why not a few of the most completed songs? I wouyldn't be writing this if they weren't JUST coming from the studio...

-Bust outs. I love the song El Caporal and especially with the whole Spanish element it would have been a very appropriate song to have played there. Anybody can pick the Tenn. Fire or At Dawn stuff they would have liked to hear but again this should have been like nothing else.

-Longer Sets- I know this has also been touched on but I was really really surprised that even with 4 am end times that the sets were as short as they were. The sets were almost identical in length to Port Chester and those shows were without a doubt a great length, however, a) this was an MMJ resort in the middle of Mexico when nobody had anywhere to go and b) they coulda pulled a Pearl Jam / Wilco at Solid Sound and done a 30-40 song set (I know, I know with 20 minute Dondante you cant have 40 songs but I think you know what I mean by this).

People on this board will have the knee-jerk reaction to me saying "some people will never be satisfied" but I (obviously) think my points are kinda valid and that other people feel the same way. I genuinely wish I could have been there and I'm sure that right now 10 days removed I would feel the same exact way as pretty much everyone here and, yes, it probably would have been the time of my life but that doesn't mean we can't have a discussion about those things that may have made the concerts themselves 95's instead of 99/100's. If there is a 2015/2016 OBH I am in but I'd at least hope there'll be a little more that would blow my mind.

you'll feel like these shows could've been better? didn't you say you weren't even there? you didn't experience the energy and the way the songs were played, you looked at a setlist dude. and if your judging Jacket shows by setlist and song selection rather than the overall experience then you're missing the point. I think a lot of people are missing the point by getting so hung up on setlists and hearing what THEY WANT to hear. stop complaining and be happy, it's a lot more fun.

[jaye]

Greetings all. I have been lurking here for years. Was with you at T5 and the Cap, had magical experiences at both, and love this band as much as y'all do.

Let me also say that, like others, it was only due to family issues (i.e. who will watch my kids etc...) that it became an impossibility. The whole experience sounds like it was as truly amazing as everyone has described it. I also have been checking livedownloads every day to see when these soundboards will be available.

However, these most recent posts about the covers are touching that I have been thinking about on and off since night 1 and that is: Shouldn't these shows have been a little better? Like when your most passionate fans are paying literally thousands of dollars with the primary purpose being to see their favorite band shouldn't there be numerous unprecedented moments?

-Covers. The covers aspect has been covered in these last few posts but yes the bananas thing is very NOT spontaneous and we have all basically seen one of the other covers in one way or another. Instead of covers that they have covered on soundtracks and other collections why not 3 covers that nobody has every heard from Jim's lips? I know that that woudl require rehearsal but that goes back to the thousands of dollars thing.

-New songs. I was as Phish Halloween this year (unfortunately) and I was included in those that were PISSED that they "covered themselves". That being said nobody would propose that the boys bust out the new album in  its entirety (though that would have been awesome) but why not a few of the most completed songs? I wouyldn't be writing this if they weren't JUST coming from the studio...

-Bust outs. I love the song El Caporal and especially with the whole Spanish element it would have been a very appropriate song to have played there. Anybody can pick the Tenn. Fire or At Dawn stuff they would have liked to hear but again this should have been like nothing else.

-Longer Sets- I know this has also been touched on but I was really really surprised that even with 4 am end times that the sets were as short as they were. The sets were almost identical in length to Port Chester and those shows were without a doubt a great length, however, a) this was an MMJ resort in the middle of Mexico when nobody had anywhere to go and b) they coulda pulled a Pearl Jam / Wilco at Solid Sound and done a 30-40 song set (I know, I know with 20 minute Dondante you cant have 40 songs but I think you know what I mean by this).

People on this board will have the knee-jerk reaction to me saying "some people will never be satisfied" but I (obviously) think my points are kinda valid and that other people feel the same way. I genuinely wish I could have been there and I'm sure that right now 10 days removed I would feel the same exact way as pretty much everyone here and, yes, it probably would have been the time of my life but that doesn't mean we can't have a discussion about those things that may have made the concerts themselves 95's instead of 99/100's. If there is a 2015/2016 OBH I am in but I'd at least hope there'll be a little more that would blow my mind.

you'll feel like these shows could've been better? didn't you say you weren't even there? you didn't experience the energy and the way the songs were played, you looked at a setlist dude. and if your judging Jacket shows by setlist and song selection rather than the overall experience then you're missing the point. I think a lot of people are missing the point by getting so hung up on setlists and hearing what THEY WANT to hear. stop complaining and be happy, it's a lot more fun.

I was there, had an amazing time, I'm totally happy - but I love to talk about set lists - what I like, don't like, which songs were amazing back to back, which covers I don't like, - It's not complaining.  It might be super over the top geek stuff but it's definitely not complaining.  It's just what some of us do. 

Sure a show could have been better.  (I thought Night 2 was better than Night 1).  Or it could have been a 35 song set.  Maybe someone else thought there was too much old stuff and not enough Circuital.   None of that is complaining!  If you don't want to discuss that kind of stuff, then don't - but don't accuse people who like to of being unhappy, hung up, missing the point complainers.   

Re the band being around - Besides the rumor that Jim was having a back problem, there is no way he could have walked around.  Did you see those pics of the crowded pool areas?  It would have been nuts.  He would have been surrounded by people - some wanting to take pictures with him, some wanting to read him their poems, sign their boobs,  whatever.  It would have been really hard for him to cut it off.  Carl & Bo came out at a fairly quiet time and tons of people got pics with them.   I don't know - I didn't expect it at all. 

[MMJCOBRA]

I could make minor setlist quibbles but my group could only gush over how this was a PERFECT week!  Chilling every single day, never knowing what hungry (or thirst) felt like for days on end, and then getting minds melted every single fucking night.

I now know the true definition of the word pampered....and I like it.

Could just be some Monday quarterbacking from those that didn't go but I had a fucking blast and wouldn't have changed a thing.

I'll try to post some more detailed thoughts later with pictures.

[rincon2]

Set list. Predictable.  Did it take anything away from the experience? Not in the least.  It was the people and the environment that actually surpassed the shows to me. The shows were great, but I have been to great MMJ shows in the past. What I had not done in the past was be a 2 minute walk from the stage to my room, in 75 degree weather at night, surrounded by 1500-2000 likeminded MMJ fans, with paid for drinks never more than 20 seconds away, able to walk up to virtually any stranger and engage in enthusiastic conversations and feel like you have know them forever. Yeah, they were good shows.

[ms. yvon]

this is where shit gets tedious.  and boring.  see you kids at the soda shop.

[johnnYYac]

Re the band being around - Besides the rumor that Jim was having a back problem, there is no way he could have walked around.  Did you see those pics of the crowded pool areas?  It would have been nuts.  He would have been surrounded by people - some wanting to take pictures with him, some wanting to read him their poems, sign their boobs,  whatever.  It would have been really hard for him to cut it off.  Carl & Bo came out at a fairly quiet time and tons of people got pics with them.   I don't know - I didn't expect it at all.

that makes sense. 


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[Fully]

I'm not going to slam anyone for critiquing a show. We all do it, well most of us, even if it's just in our heads. We critique albums, songs, posters, roll call, and even the presales. It's how we organize it. There have been numerous discussions dating back to way before I became a member of this forum doing just that. Don'tGetUpset put a great deal of thought into his post. I'm glad you came out of the lurkers!

Also, Nowhere in the OBH pr literature did it state that you would get any face time with anyone from the band. It's unrealistic to think that just because you paid a lot of money to go that you are going to talk to them. They delivered exactly what the promised and some people even got a chance to meet some of them. They are musicians, and they performed. We don't own them just because we love their music.

Just have fun with it. If critical analysis is your thing, go for it. If loving the band unconditionally and seeing no flaws is it, go for it. If not posting because this stuff gets on your nerves, you know what to do.

[oistheone]

I think we all go through the "song chaser" phase -- going to show after show in an attempt to hear the all-rare deep cut or the outta-nowhere surprise cover. Ain't nothin' wrong with that, but I will say, that once I got it outta my head that a "no-surprise" show meant a "disappointing show", my enjoyment of said shows increased ten fold. I'm just happy to see these guys rock.

In conclusion, I fully understand setlist qualms, but in my eyes, if I had an extra $2k to spend and I got to see the Jacket play "Picture of You" in addition to sit-in after sit-in with Bob motherfuckin' Weir, I'd be going home happy.