10 week countdown :o :o :o
College Football 2011-2012 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol-nF2bLFYE#ws)
I can't wait. 73 days until Alabama takes on Kent State. College Football Season is the best time of the year! RTR!
ESPN 2010 College Football Images Of The Year (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyNJdFq8ChI#ws)
Im getting excited too! UGA opens up with Boise State...After all the shit I have talked about Boise I hope we actually win!
Let's Go Huskers.....
Big 10 Network is all Husker weekend. Lots of focus on the 3 Nat'l Champs in the 90's. My plans for the weekend have now been established. The '95 team....jesus they were unstopable.
College Football Plays of the Year 2010 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UP-GWvqVUnY#)
my season's over, my football heart is broken, bring on Aug of 2012... (or 2013)...
May have to waffle from MIZZOU and switch to Texas due to proximity of James...if he has a fitted cap I might have to buy one for myself next week... ;)
Quote from: Penny Lane on Jul 07, 2011, 10:56 AM
my season's over, my football heart is broken, bring on Aug of 2012... (or 2013)...
You can still root for OSU, Penny...
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:thumbsup:
Quote from: Penny Lane on Jul 07, 2011, 10:56 AM
my season's over, my football heart is broken, bring on Aug of 2012... (or 2013)...
Just become a PSU fan and we can strengthen our friendship.
;D
Quote from: kydiddle on Jul 07, 2011, 11:58 AM
Quote from: Penny Lane on Jul 07, 2011, 10:56 AM
my season's over, my football heart is broken, bring on Aug of 2012... (or 2013)...
Just become a PSU fan and we can strengthen our friendship.
;D
Should we have a contest to determine which team Penny roots for this year?
Quote from: Crispy on Jul 07, 2011, 12:57 PM
Quote from: kydiddle on Jul 07, 2011, 11:58 AM
Quote from: Penny Lane on Jul 07, 2011, 10:56 AM
my season's over, my football heart is broken, bring on Aug of 2012... (or 2013)...
Just become a PSU fan and we can strengthen our friendship.
;D
Should we have a contest to determine which team Penny roots for this year?
Not much of a contest if you ask me.
S O U T H E R N H O S P I T A L I T Y
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Quote from: Crispy on Jul 07, 2011, 12:57 PM
Quote from: kydiddle on Jul 07, 2011, 11:58 AM
Quote from: Penny Lane on Jul 07, 2011, 10:56 AM
my season's over, my football heart is broken, bring on Aug of 2012... (or 2013)...
Just become a PSU fan and we can strengthen our friendship.
;D
Should we have a contest to determine which team Penny roots for this year?
She'll know what to do.
Fuck that PL, root for the Huskers! They are a Big 10 team (now). The best stadium in the world and the best fans in the world
What my school's football stadium looks like during Football season; empty.
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;D
Quote from: kydiddle on Jul 07, 2011, 01:28 PM
Quote from: Crispy on Jul 07, 2011, 12:57 PM
Quote from: kydiddle on Jul 07, 2011, 11:58 AM
Quote from: Penny Lane on Jul 07, 2011, 10:56 AM
my season's over, my football heart is broken, bring on Aug of 2012... (or 2013)...
Just become a PSU fan and we can strengthen our friendship.
;D
Should we have a contest to determine which team Penny roots for this year?
She'll know what to do.
Ky, they are my second favorite big ten team!
GO BUCKEYES!
(i just wanted a moment of self-pity, now it's over with--but i won't be completely absorbed as usual, instead i'll be working on my own fantasy team--i plan on doing it without the help of a co-manager and
Yim's Pickle is going to finish stronger this year).
Georgia vs. Florida: 1980 Classic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOhWVvsrq5k#)
GO HOKIES!!!!!!
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It's easy to root for them. They play in the best part of the country.
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50 DAYS, PEOPLE.
Can't wait for football season! I hope it helps T-town feel "normal" again. RTROTA, suckas!
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jul 14, 2011, 04:53 PM
Georgia vs. Florida: 1980 Classic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOhWVvsrq5k#)
classic quote for larry munzin run lindsey run!
Quote from: davymac on Jul 19, 2011, 07:20 PM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jul 14, 2011, 04:53 PM
Georgia vs. Florida: 1980 Classic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOhWVvsrq5k#)
classic quote for larry munzin run lindsey run!
yeah man, that gives me goosebumps and I'm not even a UGA fan.
2011 College Football Bowl Season Top 10 Highlights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMGzud9hL-w#ws)
NEBRASKA ORANGE BOWL WINNING DRIVE SAPP AND MIAMI SUCKING FOR AIR (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IqDfi1BoP4#)
6:48 I think I pretty much had a religious experience and was bathed in beer
Tommie Fraizer's 75-yard TD Run *better announcer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuzazz39FZ4#)
No words can describe this. GO BIG RED
Sorry mjk.....
Tyrod Taylor's Two Big Throws to Beat Nebraska (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtqWilkExH4#)
College football 2011 pump up (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jA8ujpezZ1Q#ws)
Foolsball! Screw that!
All Blacks 2010 Highlights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSiDp-xMvV4#ws)
I can't wait for BCS system bickering and investigations on the eventual national champion to begin. ::)
At least the Big House in Ann Arbor is adding more seats. ;D This Buckeyes/Wolverines thing is hilarious. What's it gonna hold now? 120,00? We know the Buckeyes will have to one up that right? In 2050 they will be playing in 200,000 capacity stadiums. At least you can say you were there. ;D
I prefer our old, out of date Memorial Stadium in Illinois with its proud losing football tradition.
Every single person I've called out on for their program cheating gets so defensive. I'm not offended at all if you have to call me out on my team. You can't win if you don't cheat. The NCAA only commits large amounts of resources on teams that win, or so it seems. Yes, Auburn will be taking down their banner in the next 5 years. Who's next?
Opening game for UGA is Boise St at the Georgia Dome in Atlanta.....that's going to be trouble....Maybe they'll run Richt out of town if UGA loses.....guy has NO killer instinct >:(
Quote from: TheBigChicken on Jul 31, 2011, 03:17 PM
Opening game for UGA is Boise St at the Georgia Dome in Atlanta.....that's going to be trouble....Maybe they'll run Richt out of town if UGA loses.....guy has NO killer instinct >:(
They got Tech last year. That final drive by Moore and the Broncos was soul-crushing.
Presbyterian College Football 2010 - Are You Ready? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8TbCKvuQhk#)
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/2011-08-04-oklahoma-usa-today-preseason-poll_n.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/2011-08-04-oklahoma-usa-today-preseason-poll_n.htm)
Bama at #2. Roll Tide!
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Symbol of Excellence.
Alabama Sheriff Uses Fake Iron Bowl Tickets to Smoke Out Suspected Deadbeat Parents
The sheriff of Lee County, Ala., smoked out a dozen suspected deadbeat parents using the lure of the state's biggest football game and a bit of ingenuity.
Knowing the lure of the Iron Bowl to Auburn and Alabama fans, Capt. Van Jackson from the Sheriff's Office put together one of the most creative stings in recent memory, FOX Sports South reported Friday.
"Because Auburn had such a tremendous season, we thought we'd send letters out telling people we were giving away Iron Bowl tickets," Jackson said.
But with season tickets for defending national champion Auburn's home games selling out months ago and individual game tickets not due to go on sale until a few weeks before the games are played, the "priceless" tickets being offered in the "You Have Won!" letters never actually existed.
Nonetheless, the letters went out to local residents with outstanding warrants alleging unpaid child support. To the astonishment of just about everyone, a dozen suspects showed up to collect their prize.
"It was an idea that just grew out of conversations here at the agency," Jackson said. "We wanted to do something because we had some very large outstanding child-support warrants, and we wanted to come up with a sting operation to lure those people in. Obviously with the [football] season coming up, the timing was important."
Execution was important as well, and the Sheriff's Department pulled it off to perfection. In a storefront with balloons and banners in the front and handcuffs and school buses in the back, deputies dressed in Auburn and Alabama shirts cheered as one suspect after another strolled in with their letters and photo IDs.
"They were very excited, right up to the point where we got them in the back and put the cuffs on them," Jackson said. "We had one guy ask us if he still got his tickets after we'd booked him in. That was pretty funny. We all got stories to tell for the rest of our lives."
College Football Live Extra: Heisman Race (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9QH7Rf6Hb8#ws)
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Aug 10, 2011, 11:31 PM
College Football Live Extra: Heisman Race (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9QH7Rf6Hb8#ws)
Landry Jones
WINNING.
Hee hee hee.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/penn-state-players-all-worried-theyre-going-to-be,21120/ (http://www.theonion.com/articles/penn-state-players-all-worried-theyre-going-to-be,21120/)
"And if we do win, absolutely no dumping Gatorade over Coach Paterno," Jones added. "I mean, are you fucking kidding me? He'd fall apart like a stewed chicken."
Go JoePa!!!!!
I hope Miami gets the death penalty
Quote from: Ruckus on Jul 31, 2011, 02:33 PM
At least the Big House in Ann Arbor is adding more seats. ;D This Buckeyes/Wolverines thing is hilarious. What's it gonna hold now? 120,00? We know the Buckeyes will have to one up that right? In 2050 they will be playing in 200,000 capacity stadiums. At least you can say you were there. ;D
The only thing added to Michigan Stadium this year were 2 new giant scoreboards as Michigan has joined the HD world.
The seats were added last year when the beautiful renovations and the addition of luxury suites to the Big House were completed.
BTW, there is no competition between Michigan and OSU in seating capacity. I believe Michigan has more competition coming from PSU and Tennessee than anywhere else at the moment.
I just love going to games at the Big House and hearing the PA announcer stating that we are part of the largest crowd watching a football game in America today! 8)
Oh, and there's going to be some night time football in Ann Arbor this year as well! :D As Bart Scot would say, "CAN'T WAIT!!!" 8)
Quote from: capt. scotty on Aug 17, 2011, 03:26 PM
I hope Miami gets the death penalty
So, when Miami and OSU play each other this year can we call it the Cheater Bowl or the Probation Bowl or maybe the NCAA Sanctions Bowl??? ;D
I was listening to Colin Cowherd today and he made a good point. The NCAA has targeted teams in the Pac10, the Big10 and the ACC, meanwhile the SEC is clean??? Riiiiiigt?! The SEC is dirtier than dirt yet they keep skating by??? Goes to show, the NCAA isn't concerned about anything other than making money. The SEC is the NCAA's cash cow and the NCAA will continue to allow the SECheaters to keep on cheatin' on as long as they keep brining in the big bucks for the NCAA... ::)
SEC is so dirty you need a shovel
Herschel Walker: Greatest College Football Running Back Ever (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyKLeXP2XOU#)
So much to read between the lines with this LSU team bar brawl story! What a great socio/politico/economically loaded story placing front and center the value a relatively small southern city places on their much revered football team.
Don't want to jump to too many conclusions but I will. Supposedly much of the team checked in, then broke curfew. Many of those at the bar were under 21. LSU made sure attorneys were present prior to speaking to police. Les Myles has essentially already made multiple veiled apologies to the fans and community in general. Clearly, there are a number of guilty parties from the team involved. Charges of 2nd degree battery (felony) and simple battery (misdemeanor) will be made to individuals according to the Baton Rouge Advocate.
Myles state that this will take time to sort out ;D ;D ;D Oh man, if only I could be a fly on the phone and email for communication between the LSU AD, Myles, law enforcement, the media and the "general public voice." Will it be a bunch of settled misdemeanors? How many booster bribes have already gone down? Does a competitive SEC football team mean more to the general public (LSU fans not directly affected by the brawl) then any small amount of justice doled out?
Yes that was a lot of speculation but I hope this is another story that helps to continually expose the hypocrisy of the NCAA as the long ago led astray, dirty cash cow that it is.
Quote from: Ruckus on Aug 24, 2011, 08:50 AM
So much to read between the lines with this LSU team bar brawl story! What a great socio/politico/economically loaded story placing front and center the value a relatively small southern city places on their much revered football team.
Don't want to jump to too many conclusions but I will. Supposedly much of the team checked in, then broke curfew. Many of those at the bar were under 21. LSU made sure attorneys were present prior to speaking to police. Les Myles has essentially already made multiple veiled apologies to the fans and community in general. Clearly, there are a number of guilty parties from the team involved. Charges of 2nd degree battery (felony) and simple battery (misdemeanor) will be made to individuals according to the Baton Rouge Advocate.
Myles state that this will take time to sort out ;D ;D ;D Oh man, if only I could be a fly on the phone and email for communication between the LSU AD, Myles, law enforcement, the media and the "general public voice." Will it be a bunch of settled misdemeanors? How many booster bribes have already gone down? Does a competitive SEC football team mean more to the general public (LSU fans not directly affected by the brawl) then any small amount of justice doled out?
Yes that was a lot of speculation but I hope this is another story that helps to continually expose the hypocrisy of the NCAA as the long ago led astray, dirty cash cow that it is.
Ruckus, are you trying to imply another SECheat school could be getting off lightly??? ::)
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Not too smart at ol' Rocky Top...
;D
Quote from: megalicious on Aug 24, 2011, 10:43 AM
Not too smart at ol' Rocky Top...
;D
Oh my, that is really bad.
Or maybe they're with me on my love for this record:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/ca/Secretmachinesnowhereisnowhere.jpg) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Now_Here_Is_Nowhere)
Quote from: Crispy on Aug 24, 2011, 11:12 AM
Quote from: megalicious on Aug 24, 2011, 10:43 AM
Not too smart at ol' Rocky Top...
;D
Oh my, that is really bad.
Or maybe they're with me on my love for this record:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/ca/Secretmachinesnowhereisnowhere.jpg) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Now_Here_Is_Nowhere)
I'm with you on the love, but they ain't to smart up on old Rocky Top.
Dexter McCluster - 4th TD against Tennessee 2009 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu2L4Wquz54#)
1999 - Ole Miss vs Oklahoma - Deuce McAllister Run for Touchdown (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxFYxCMtLjk#)
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Aug 25, 2011, 08:46 AM
Dexter McCluster - 4th TD against Tennessee 2009 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu2L4Wquz54#)
1999 - Ole Miss vs Oklahoma - Deuce McAllister Run for Touchdown (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxFYxCMtLjk#)
just a jack of all trades, that DMC...
Dexter McCluster Texting and Driving Commercial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE6RGETOM5E#)
Tennessee loses another 5 star before the season even starts because he can't stay away from the Mexican Marlboros.
Just Great, way to kill the fever before the season even starts. Thanks a lot Janzen Jackson, way to let an entire fan base down, not to mention all of your teammates.
Quote from: capt. scotty on Aug 17, 2011, 09:56 PM
SEC is so dirty you need a shovel
13 BCS Title games and the SEC has won 7 (Let's make it 8 since undefeated Auburn should get the 2004 one vacated by USC) :thumbsup:
Everyone always hates on the best.
Quote from: Ruckus on Aug 24, 2011, 08:50 AM
So much to read between the lines with this LSU team bar brawl story! What a great socio/politico/economically loaded story placing front and center the value a relatively small southern city places on their much revered football team.
Don't want to jump to too many conclusions but I will. Supposedly much of the team checked in, then broke curfew. Many of those at the bar were under 21. LSU made sure attorneys were present prior to speaking to police. Les Myles has essentially already made multiple veiled apologies to the fans and community in general.
Yes that was a lot of speculation but I hope this is another story that helps to continually expose the hypocrisy of the NCAA as the long ago led astray, dirty cash cow that it is.
here's some more:
An eyewitness says she saw LSU starting quarterback Jordan Jefferson kick someone in the face during a bar fight that injured four people last week.
The account from 19-year-old Victoria Long was included in a police report released Thursday, a day after police seized 49 pairs of athletic shoes from Jefferson's apartment. Baton Rouge police Sgt. Don Stone wouldn't explain why police took the shoes.
Doesn't everyone own 49 pairs of sneakers? ::) Sounds like Myles will have more to worry about than just this bar fight. Could be the tip of the iceberg ala Ohio St.
Oklahoma State 2010 Football Intro (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuNgi7V9zRQ#)
I'm ready for some Saturdays in Stillwater :D
SEC Football Dominance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnEmTYN_gJo#ws)
COLLEGE FOOTBALL IS BACK :D :D :D this thrills me beyond words. i should be heading down next month for the Florida @ Auburn game and le woah .. i will wet my britches. i haven't been to a game in forever. i should have jumped on airfare week b/c now they gone up a considerable amount. gonna have to keep my eye on that. WAR EAGLE 8)
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http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/6921383/alabama-crimson-tide-football-game-provides-respite-tornado-rebuilding (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/6921383/alabama-crimson-tide-football-game-provides-respite-tornado-rebuilding)
Great story on espn.com. The Kent State players have been helping our Bama boys rebuild houses in Holt. I can't even begin to explain how much of a healing force football has been and continues to be here in Tuscaloosa. It's awesome.
ROLL TIDE!
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Speaking of Roll Tide ... my dad's side of the family all hail from T-town and I was raised a 'bama fan but alas, I went to the orange side. My grandmother passed away in July and today at work I was making a disc of old pictures and came across this one. Me and my cousins all decked out in our Alabama shirts ;D
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Great pic, Brooke! Do I know which one is you?
from The Onion
Top 2011 College Football Matchups
Another great college season is upon us, and Onion Sports analysts have made their picks for the year's most thrilling games.
Nebraska at Wisconsin, Oct. 1: The Huskers will be welcomed into the Big Ten with some hard-nosed defense and a small slice of Angel food cake
Wisconsin at Ohio State, Oct. 29: Sure to be a good game, possibly for Big Ten superiority but almost certainly to determine which of these two teams will eventually get its ass kicked in a bowl game by a mid-ranked SEC team
LSU at Alabama, Nov. 5: This matchup could decide which team goes to the national title game, or maybe they will both lose all their games before this, or maybe we will all get a deadly flu virus and die
Texas at Texas A&M, Nov. 24: Heralded Texas schools make yet another attempt at breaking the record for most Garretts on a field at once
Alabama at Auburn, Nov. 26: Latest chapter in storied 118-year-old rivalry will settle once and for all which team is the winner of this year's game
Southern at Grambling State, Nov. 26: These teams seem to play every year, though you have no idea which division they're in, why they're on TV, or why you're watching the entire game and actually rooting for one of them
Ohio State at Michigan, Nov. 26: The greatest rivalry in all of college football will look like total shit again this year
Hopefully some of you caught the TCU-Baylor game...What a way to start the season!!
Great pic Brooke! Isnt it crazy how pics from when we were young look like their from the 60's and not the 80's?!?!!?!
Quote from: capt. scotty on Sep 03, 2011, 12:19 AM
Hopefully some of you caught the TCU-Baylor game...What a way to start the season!!
that RG3 character is the real deal. He remained confident throughout and really knows how to get the ball in the right hands
Holy shit, I hope brooke's okay after that heartstopper. :o
Fuck you Big Ten network. Really? Great way to start your Husker cover by show about 1 minute of the game then switch back over to the Iowa game. Iowa was already up by 34 points.
Quote from: mjk73 on Sep 03, 2011, 04:00 PM
Fuck you Big Ten network. Really? Great way to start your Husker cover by show about 1 minute of the game then switch back over to the Iowa game. Iowa was already up by 34 points.
You gotta earn you Big Ten rep before you get the special treatment on BTN, buoy!!
nice job Georgia.....and by the way,your new uniforms look like SHIT >:(
Quote from: TheBigChicken on Sep 04, 2011, 01:06 AM
nice job Georgia.....and by the way,your new uniforms look like SHIT >:(
agreed on the uniforms. its like they let an autistic 12 yr old design their suits
Quote from: capt. scotty on Sep 03, 2011, 09:35 PM
Quote from: mjk73 on Sep 03, 2011, 04:00 PM
Fuck you Big Ten network. Really? Great way to start your Husker cover by show about 1 minute of the game then switch back over to the Iowa game. Iowa was already up by 34 points.
You gotta earn you Big Ten rep before you get the special treatment on BTN, buoy!!
Yeah, like when we destroy everyone in our first season. They showed 2 minutes total of the game as they switched over to the Illinois game. Nice way to advertise you were to show NU and not really.
Well well ... It's gonna be a long season my friends! Interesting season kickoff. I really only watched the auburn game as I'm with a big group of folks this weekend and watching the phish show form denver trumped evening games. I'm sad for SC. I used to hate Spurrier with a fiery passion but I've grown to like this team and would like to see them have an exciting season. For an SEC football program to lose the first game is just so wind out of your sails. Sucks for LSU & GA too!
As for Auburn ... young team !!
ETA: haha ... so LSU didnt lose, yea!! My sportstacular app had the scores inverted showing Oregon with 40.
Not real sure about them gray jerseys for my Cowboys. That black thing in the middle of the jersey looks like the players pissed themselves :-\
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Quote from: ophidiophobia on Sep 05, 2011, 08:50 PM
Not real sure about them gray jerseys for my Cowboys. That black thing in the middle of the jersey looks like the players pissed themselves :-\
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They looked much better than Maryland's last night. Those things look like they were designed by a retarded knight.
^agree, worst unis ever!
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Marylands jerseys look like a really poorly designed futbol club jersey.
a failed attempt to incorporate their state flag (which is ugly as hell to start out with) into their unis.
(http://www.50states.com/flag/image/nunst032.gif)
::) ::) ::)
When Randy Edsall came in, he had the giant task of making Maryland football relevant again. While it is fertile recruiting ground here with Baltimore, DC, PG County, Va and Pa, MD has never been able to recruit well at home. Part of creating that buzz necessary to tempt local talent again as well becoming a story on the national level was to modernize their uniforms ala Oregon. Seems to have worked for them now guess what?
Bunch of grown ass men talking about men's fashion on a music message board about a team that hasn't done squat in years ;D Well done Edsall. Keep reelin' 'em in.
For the record, I love our Maryland flag :)
We got a retarded knight and an autistic 12 year old. What's next?
Those had to be the most ridiculous quartered, 1st and 4th quarters paly of 6, or and sable, a bend dexter counterchanged, 2nd and 3rd, quarterly, argent and gules, a cross bottony countersigned uniforms EVER!
A retarded knight and an autistic 12 year old, and now a combination of the two: a mildly obsessive heraldry nut.
I think Maryland took all the talk away from Georgia yesterday. Georgia's uniforms look amazing compared to Maryland. I think Maryland wore those on the first game on purpose though, because it has to be the worst of their new uniforms combos. Now they can only go up.
Quote from: Crispy on Sep 07, 2011, 03:25 PM
Those had to be the most ridiculous quartered, 1st and 4th quarters paly of 6, or and sable, a bend dexter counterchanged, 2nd and 3rd, quarterly, argent and gules, a cross bottony countersigned uniforms EVER!
A retarded knight and an autistic 12 year old, and now a combination of the two: a mildly obsessive heraldry nut.
;D ;D i just choked on my drink..
Quote from: capt. scotty on Sep 07, 2011, 03:56 PM
I think Maryland took all the talk away from Georgia yesterday. Georgia's uniforms look amazing compared to Maryland. I think Maryland wore those on the first game on purpose though, because it has to be the worst of their new uniforms combos. Now they can only go up.
agree on GA's unis, those were not only cool, but the colors actually matched. Apparently they did not make them play better, same with OR.
Quote from: Penny Lane on Sep 07, 2011, 04:04 PM
Quote from: Crispy on Sep 07, 2011, 03:25 PM
Those had to be the most ridiculous quartered, 1st and 4th quarters paly of 6, or and sable, a bend dexter counterchanged, 2nd and 3rd, quarterly, argent and gules, a cross bottony countersigned uniforms EVER!
A retarded knight and an autistic 12 year old, and now a combination of the two: a mildly obsessive heraldry nut.
;D ;D i just choked on my drink..
Agreed. I don't even get some of it but...too good Crispy ;D
Quote from: Ruckus on Sep 07, 2011, 05:25 PM
Quote from: Penny Lane on Sep 07, 2011, 04:04 PM
Quote from: Crispy on Sep 07, 2011, 03:25 PM
Those had to be the most ridiculous quartered, 1st and 4th quarters paly of 6, or and sable, a bend dexter counterchanged, 2nd and 3rd, quarterly, argent and gules, a cross bottony countersigned uniforms EVER!
A retarded knight and an autistic 12 year old, and now a combination of the two: a mildly obsessive heraldry nut.
;D ;D i just choked on my drink..
Agreed. I don't even get some of it but...too good Crispy ;D
You don't get it? It's only the LAW for your state flag, you lawyer! ;)
I know, heraldry blazons are HAWT.
Quote from: Ruckus on Sep 07, 2011, 01:52 PM
We got a retarded knight and an autistic 12 year old. What's next?
The best I heard was > it looks like a Sherwin-Williams store blew up.
They did some polling of college athletes after that game and about 100% of them liked the unis. And everyone over 40 hated them. Sooo...... guess we'll be seeing more!
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Sep 07, 2011, 07:14 PM
They did some polling of college athletes after that game and about 100% of them liked the unis. And everyone over 40 hated them. Sooo...... guess we'll be seeing more!
those damn kids .. have they no sense of tradition ?!!! ;D ;D
If Penn State wants to get Joe Pa out of there, a good idea might be to get some hip new unis so he strokes out
Quote from: capt. scotty on Sep 07, 2011, 09:00 PM
If Penn State wants to get Joe Pa out of there, a good idea might be to get some hip new unis so he strokes out
I don't see Joe Pa leaving Happy Valley until he is physically unable to coach. It will take a life-threatening stroke or something terrible to get that man out. I can't stand the sight of his old ass because of this fact. I know I'm not near old enough to understand retiring but he is a joke IMO.
I've always loved JoePa, but he's got to go. PS called all 3 of their TO's on their 1st drive of the game? I have never seen anything like that. Perhaps a little slow in communication between the head coach in the press box and the sidelines? Not that it would have mattered b/c they aren't in the same league as Bama (literally), but when is enough enough?
Damn you Nebraska, can you make this any closer?!?!? Arrrr. NU looks awful tonight.
nice knowing you Mark Richt ::)
ND-Michigan was awesome. Only downside was both teams couldnt lose.
Roll Tide, y'all!
Quote from: corey on Sep 11, 2011, 09:06 AM
Roll Tide, y'all!
No worries. It's only a matter of time before the NCAA figures out what Saban's getting away with down there ;D
Queen - Hammer To Fall (Live Aid '85) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsbznJJkq84#)
whewwwwww .. WAR EAGLE !!! also, i am officially going to the Florida @ Auburn game next month :thumbsup:
Quote from: Ruckus on Sep 11, 2011, 11:09 AM
Quote from: corey on Sep 11, 2011, 09:06 AM
Roll Tide, y'all!
No worries. It's only a matter of time before the NCAA figures out what Saban's getting away with down there ;D
Thats what Im dreaming for, otherwise I'll be hearing about Bama for the next 20yrs from my alumni friend. As if them beating us 2 years in a row wasnt bad enough.
We don't win every game, but we've never lost a party.
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I think we beat A&M this weekend and we go into the Bedlam (OU) game undefeated. This is a huge game. I think there will be over 70 points scored, and I have a feeling that the OSU defense will do just enough to win.
groans
Quote from: mjk73 on Oct 01, 2011, 10:39 PM
groans
Wisky looks good. There's no reason for them to lose against anyone else in the Big 10 this year if they can destroy Nebraska like this.
I hope they go undefeated and get the top team from the SEC (likely Bama or LSU) or Oklahoma. Id love to see that game.
Quote from: capt. scotty on Oct 01, 2011, 11:31 PM
Quote from: mjk73 on Oct 01, 2011, 10:39 PM
groans
Wisky looks good. There's no reason for them to lose against anyone else in the Big 10 this year if they can destroy Nebraska like this.
I hope they go undefeated and get the top team from the SEC (likely Bama or LSU) or Oklahoma. Id love to see that game.
Here's to LSU, Wisconsin, Oklahoma, Stanford, Clemson and Boise State all going undefeated so we can move a step further towards a playoff in college football.
I did something last night I rarely do, I turned the game off. I was so disgusted with how awful they looked. Matinez is terrible. Just f'n terrible. I have no clue what the hell the defense is doing. They just seem confused as to what they should be doing.
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Oct 02, 2011, 10:39 AM
Quote from: capt. scotty on Oct 01, 2011, 11:31 PM
Quote from: mjk73 on Oct 01, 2011, 10:39 PM
groans
Wisky looks good. There's no reason for them to lose against anyone else in the Big 10 this year if they can destroy Nebraska like this.
I hope they go undefeated and get the top team from the SEC (likely Bama or LSU) or Oklahoma. Id love to see that game.
Here's to LSU, Wisconsin, Oklahoma, Stanford, Clemson and Boise State all going undefeated so we can move a step further towards a playoff in college football.
Even without that, the movement toward superconferences already has that in motion. Once the Big East is dissolved, Id be surprised if a playoff system wasnt already pretty much set in stone.
Having a handful of undefeated teams wouldnt hurt though
Going to Chitown this weekend to watch Michigan take on Northwestern! :thumbsup:
My wife and I had plane tix and our hotel room all arranged before the tix to the game went on sale. Forgot this game was a night game so when I went to get tickets I had a hell of a time. Remembered this Michigan bar just south of Wrigley my wife and I went to a couple of years ago while we were in town for a U2 concert to watch the ND game so i emailed the owner to see about settling on watching the game there. Turns out, the guy had a bus reserved with 55 seats available on it. For $80 we show up at his bar at 2:00 for all the Bells on tap we can drink, a tailgate spread with all the food we can eat and a ticket and a bus ride to and from the game! Sweet how things work out sometimes! :beer:
Leaving Thursday and I can't wait to be back in the Windy City! 8)
Nice ILB!
What are your thoughts on Michigan this year? I think they look like the clear 3rd best team in the Big 10 this year. I told a buddy they dont lose more than 2 conference games this year, and he said put $20 on it...Still considering it. They dont play Wisconsin and have no business losing to anyone besides Illini, Huskers, or OSU, and I dont see them losing all 3 of those.
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Oct 03, 2011, 01:49 PM
Going to Chitown this weekend to watch Michigan take on Northwestern! :thumbsup:
My wife and I had plane tix and our hotel room all arranged before the tix to the game went on sale. Forgot this game was a night game so when I went to get tickets I had a hell of a time. Remembered this Michigan bar just south of Wrigley my wife and I went to a couple of years ago while we were in town for a U2 concert to watch the ND game so i emailed the owner to see about settling on watching the game there. Turns out, the guy had a bus reserved with 55 seats available on it. For $80 we show up at his bar at 2:00 for all the Bells on tap we can drink, a tailgate spread with all the food we can eat and a ticket and a bus ride to and from the game! Sweet how things work out sometimes! :beer:
Leaving Thursday and I can't wait to be back in the Windy City! 8)
Do not forget the Marathon Sunday. Traffic will be an absolute mess. I only know as I'll be running in it.
Quote from: capt. scotty on Oct 03, 2011, 09:39 PM
Nice ILB!
What are your thoughts on Michigan this year? I think they look like the clear 3rd best team in the Big 10 this year. I told a buddy they dont lose more than 2 conference games this year, and he said put $20 on it...Still considering it. They dont play Wisconsin and have no business losing to anyone besides Illini, Huskers, or OSU, and I dont see them losing all 3 of those.
I'm still cautiously optimistic as far as this year goes given how the last 2 years have started out eerily similar. Michigan is still relatively unproven as they haven't really played anyone outside of ND. I think the next 2 weeks will give us the story on just how good Michigan is. Starting Saturday, if they can keep up the momentum they are on by going into Evanston and winning, and then following that up with a much needed win over Sparty in East Lansing, I think the prospect would be good for Michigan losing 2 games or less. The biggest difference I see from this year compared to the last 2 is that, with Wisconsin not on the schedule, I don't really see any game on Michigan's schedule that looks unwinnable. I couldn't honestly say that the last two years heading into the conference schedule. FWIW, I had Michigan going 8-4 with losses to ND, @ Sparty, Nebraska and OSU. They've already gotten over on ND. And from what I've seen of Sparty, Nebraska and the complete mess that OSU finds themselve in, I see no reason why Michigan can't win each of those games as well especially considering we get the Cornhuskers and Buckeyes at home.
As far as our coach, I am loving the hiring of Coach Hoke more and more. Especially with him luring our DC (Greg Mattison) from the Baltimore Ravens to come back to Michigan! I think the change in philosophy and attitude is also a big reason I have optimism that a repeat of the last 2 season ending collapses won't happen again.
Quote from: mjk73 on Oct 03, 2011, 10:10 PM
Do not forget the Marathon Sunday. Traffic will be an absolute mess. I only know as I'll be running in it.
Yeah. We had a hell of a time getting our hotel room because we forgot the Marathon was running on Sunday. Our flight doesn't leave Chicago until around 8 so we were planning on getting downtown to see some of it! Good luck BTW! :thumbsup:
BOOMERRRR!!!! SOONERRRR!!!!! :D
Huskers-OSU game was crazy. I think OSU might have the worst backup QB ever
Quote from: capt. scotty on Oct 09, 2011, 01:00 AM
Huskers-OSU game was crazy. I think OSU might have the worst backup QB ever
Don't know about you but I'm loving every minute of the OSU free fall. :)
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Oct 09, 2011, 06:01 PM
Quote from: capt. scotty on Oct 09, 2011, 01:00 AM
Huskers-OSU game was crazy. I think OSU might have the worst backup QB ever
Don't know about you but I'm loving every minute of the OSU free fall. :)
it was painful to watch...he threw half the passes into the Nebraska marching band seats..
Beer--i'm actually happy for you..all i can hope is that we're hitting rock bottom right now and there's nowhere to go but up...but it's too soon to say that..
Ruckus--normally i'd be shit talking this week but....not looking forward to Saturday..especially don't want to watch is QB2 is playing...
Didn't see the Iowa game, but my buddy told me that they hadn't lost a game by more than 7 points in 47 games?! No idea if that's accurate, but it seems like it...they're always in close games. Anyway, even if it was true, that streak is over after the 13-3 loss to PSU. Can't believe we couldn't get in the endzone even once. I know our QB Vandenberg can play, but not sure how many other weapons we have left. Disappointing season so far.
I am definitely enjoying the OSU freefall!
Quote from: Penny Lane on Oct 10, 2011, 09:11 AM
Beer--i'm actually happy for you..all i can hope is that we're hitting rock bottom right now and there's nowhere to go but up...but it's too soon to say that..
Thanks Penny. :) I don't mean to make it sound like I'm enjoying kicking OSU while they're down but... :P
In all seriousness, I'm hoping tUOS is back before too long, but not after Michigan notches four or five wins in a row to make up somewhat for the last decade and especially the last 3 years of the RichRod debacle!
As fun as this season has been so far and for as good of a job as Brady Hoke has started off with, Michigan still has a ways to go and that starts this weekend with another of Michigan's rivals that has had the better end of things 3 years running and that's Sparty. Beating Sparty is one of two wins I thought were absolute must wins for Michigan and the other one is that little game last week of the year in AA!
I had no clue what was going on in NU-OSU except for Penny's tweets. I read the highlights the next day after the race and was shocked.
Looks like dem Badgers are gonna dominate the conference this year anyway. They finally have a balanced offense to go with all the rest of their usual strengths. I can actually see them winning a National Championship this year.
Quote from: Hawkeye on Oct 10, 2011, 10:56 AM
Didn't see the Iowa game, but my buddy told me that they hadn't lost a game by more than 7 points in 47 games?! No idea if that's accurate, but it seems like it...they're always in close games. Anyway, even if it was true, that streak is over after the 13-3 loss to PSU. Can't believe we couldn't get in the endzone even once. I know our QB Vandenberg can play, but not sure how many other weapons we have left. Disappointing season so far.
I am definitely enjoying the OSU freefall!
It was an ugly game..Our D is actually good this year, so not too surprised. That said, both of our rotating QBs suck, although tOSU's backup makes them look like the next coming.
Not surprised by that stat you said. They were quite solid during the Stanzi era.
Quote from: BH on Oct 10, 2011, 05:38 PM
Looks like dem Badgers are gonna dominate the conference this year anyway. They finally have a balanced offense to go with all the rest of their usual strengths. I can actually see them winning a National Championship this year.
Without a doubt. IMO, the only team that could hang with them would be Michigan because of their offense, but they dont even play each other this year (although I just remembered this is the 1st yr there will be a conference title game, and that would be there likely opponent...FUCK, not liking the bet I made last week as much because it was predicated on them not playing Wisky). I digress, but yeah, I wouldnt say they finally have a balanced offense, its that they finally have that athletic college QB that can run.
Id be shocked if they dont go undefeated, and really really hope they get a shot in the title game at Bama, LSU, or OU
This lovefest between Penny and ILB is preposterous! ;D
This Wisky team is no joke. I'd like to think that my real belief that the Badgers could take down an LSU, Bama, or OU is not tainted by my Big Ten bias. That is a strong team up in Madison.
I'd talk shit Penny but we are one shitty undefeated team that I have little faith in yet. It's been a fun ride nonetheless and it'll get real fun if we win this weekend.
Finally saw Landry Jones chuck the ball around against the Horns last weekend and I think I'm starting to see what the NFL scouts see in him. I gotta think Boise will be locked out because I don't see the Badgers losing in the Big Ten this year. Still leaves a lot to happen for a Big Ten championship game birth.
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7088858/life-two-parts (http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7088858/life-two-parts)
Quote from: capt. scotty on Oct 11, 2011, 11:51 PMWithout a doubt. IMO, the only team that could hang with them would be Michigan because of their offense, but they dont even play each other this year (although I just remembered this is the 1st yr there will be a conference title game, and that would be there likely opponent...FUCK, not liking the bet I made last week as much because it was predicated on them not playing Wisky). I digress, but yeah, I wouldnt say they finally have a balanced offense, its that they finally have that athletic college QB that can run.
Id be shocked if they dont go undefeated, and really really hope they get a shot in the title game at Bama, LSU, or OU
You should have stipulated regular season losses cappy! ;) Is your bet that Michigan can lose 2 or can't lose more than one? Because if your bet is that Michigan can lose up to 2 conference games, I think your bet is safe because if Michigan were to lose 2 games, I don't think that would be good enough to get them to the B1G Championship game where they'd be facing almost a sure loss to Wisky.
What's funny is, I was joking with some fellow Michigan fan friends of mine how lucky we were to not have Wisky on the schedule this year considering how effing good they are. That was back when I thought Michigan didn't have a chance in hell at making it to Indy. I know there's still a lot of football left to be played, but if Michigan can somehow find a way to win in EL on Saturday, I would say their chances of meeting Wisky for that B1G Championship would increase dramatically! But, even if Michigan does happen to find a way to make it to Indy (still skeptical about it actually happening), I shudder to think what Wisky would do to us. They are clearly the best team in the B1G. They are one example of the only way I see them getting beat is if they beat themselves in conference play anyways...
Damn! Illini dreams of a National Championship dashed ;D Man, we played like crap, turned it over twice inside our own 20 and still were right there. Big 10 is hot garbage this year. Wisconsin better win out.
Quote from: Ruckus on Oct 17, 2011, 01:23 PM
Damn! Illini dreams of a National Championship dashed ;D Man, we played like crap, turned it over twice inside our own 20 and still were right there. Big 10 is hot garbage this year. Wisconsin better win out.
unless we get our revenge upset....
(but do i really WANT that)....hmmmmm
I'd love for the Big Ten to go all the way...
Saw this in person on Saturday; good Lord. #21 for Ole Miss misses behind the line and gets his ankles broken 50 yards down the field and misses again!
Trent Richardson "Breaking Ankles" against Ole Miss (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fMXHSl-tqg#)
Trent is an amazing RB! I hope he wins the Heisman this year. He's even more of a beast than Ingram.
:o
Oklahoma State is looking really good today. The offense is rolling and the D has 3 and outs on 3 of first 4 possessions.
Seriously!? Wis/MSU! What an ending! Sadly with OU and the Badgers going down, we just may work our way down to another relatively uncontroversial BCS final.
Quote from: Ruckus on Oct 25, 2011, 02:31 PM
Seriously!? Wis/MSU! What an ending! Sadly with OU and the Badgers going down, we just may work our way down to another relatively uncontroversial BCS final.
My Cowboys in it and I'll lose my shit :D :D
Quote from: Ruckus on Oct 25, 2011, 02:31 PM
Seriously!? Wis/MSU! What an ending! Sadly with OU and the Badgers going down, we just may work our way down to another relatively uncontroversial BCS final.
Not if its an LSU-Bama rematch ::)
Quote from: capt. scotty on Oct 25, 2011, 03:29 PM
Quote from: Ruckus on Oct 25, 2011, 02:31 PM
Seriously!? Wis/MSU! What an ending! Sadly with OU and the Badgers going down, we just may work our way down to another relatively uncontroversial BCS final.
Not if its an LSU-Bama rematch ::)
Right? I hope not man. I don't think that'll happen if OSU wins out. It could if they don't and only Stanford and Boise make it
Quote from: Ruckus on Oct 25, 2011, 02:31 PM
Seriously!? Wis/MSU! What an ending! Sadly with OU and the Badgers going down, we just may work our way down to another relatively uncontroversial BCS final.
i was dissappointed by this, too....it also makes our game against them this week not as exciting..(but none of our games are that exciting anyway)
Quote from: Ruckus on Oct 25, 2011, 03:35 PM
Quote from: capt. scotty on Oct 25, 2011, 03:29 PM
Quote from: Ruckus on Oct 25, 2011, 02:31 PM
Seriously!? Wis/MSU! What an ending! Sadly with OU and the Badgers going down, we just may work our way down to another relatively uncontroversial BCS final.
Not if its an LSU-Bama rematch ::)
Right? I hope not man. I don't think that'll happen if OSU wins out. It could if they don't and only Stanford and Boise make it
If OSU loses and it comes down to Stanford vs anyone else, I bet Stanford is in it because the computers will give them a +.274 bonus for having Andrew Luck
tOSU will have some new hats for the game this weekend
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Ohio-State-joins-helmet-craze-with-a-new-lid-for?urn=ncaaf-wp8606 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Ohio-State-joins-helmet-craze-with-a-new-lid-for?urn=ncaaf-wp8606)
Im not big on most of these uniform changes, but I did like the ones MSU had for the Michigan game the other week despite them not being their school colors really.
(http://counterkicks.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/michigan-state-2011-nike-pro-combat-football-uniforms-and-cleats-1.jpg)
the newest mantra of the pro BCS crowd is to say "Let the playoffs begin". I heard it a couple of times over the weekend and it makes me want to vomit. something like this:
The college football playofffs begin for Kansas State next weekend when they play Oklahoma and Oklahoma St. back-to-back
or
LSU and Alabama begin the college playoff season when they square off on November 5th.
You really think KSU is going to the BCS Title game if Stanford and Bama are undefeated? Even the bullshit "playoff" speak is bullshit b/c if you win all your "playoff" games, you still won't win the title.
Vomit
shit
piss
crap
It's insulting to the fans to suggest the regular season is "the playoffs". It's mind boggling. I mean, what do you call the "playoffs" in all the other sports if the "playoffs" in college football = regular season games?
maggot saliva blood beetle fart
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Oct 25, 2011, 05:41 PM
the newest mantra of the pro BCS crowd is to say "Let the playoffs begin". I heard it a couple of times over the weekend and it makes me want to vomit. something like this:
The college football playofffs begin for Kansas State next weekend when they play Oklahoma and Oklahoma St. back-to-back
or
LSU and Alabama begin the college playoff season when they square off on November 5th.
You really think KSU is going to the BCS Title game if Stanford and Bama are undefeated? Even the bullshit "playoff" speak is bullshit b/c if you win all your "playoff" games, you still won't win the title.
Vomit
shit
piss
crap
It's insulting to the fans to suggest the regular season is "the playoffs". It's mind boggling. I mean, what do you call the "playoffs" in all the other sports if the "playoffs" in college football = regular season games?
maggot saliva blood beetle fart
Agree completely with this, and I'm an OSU (Oklahoma State, sorry, rest of the country) fan. It takes about four years of poll climbing to get to the BSC championship nowadays, and that's for teams in the major conferences—teams like Boise State are automatically eliminated as long as they remain where they are. OSU was where KSU is now a few years ago, and would have been left out of the title game if they had gone undefeated, much like Auburn, Oregon and others have in the past.
Quote from: Crispy on Oct 26, 2011, 11:08 AM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Oct 25, 2011, 05:41 PM
the newest mantra of the pro BCS crowd is to say "Let the playoffs begin". I heard it a couple of times over the weekend and it makes me want to vomit. something like this:
The college football playofffs begin for Kansas State next weekend when they play Oklahoma and Oklahoma St. back-to-back
or
LSU and Alabama begin the college playoff season when they square off on November 5th.
You really think KSU is going to the BCS Title game if Stanford and Bama are undefeated? Even the bullshit "playoff" speak is bullshit b/c if you win all your "playoff" games, you still won't win the title.
Vomit
shit
piss
crap
It's insulting to the fans to suggest the regular season is "the playoffs". It's mind boggling. I mean, what do you call the "playoffs" in all the other sports if the "playoffs" in college football = regular season games?
maggot saliva blood beetle fart
Agree completely with this, and I'm an OSU (Oklahoma State, sorry, rest of the country) fan. It takes about four years of poll climbing to get to the BSC championship nowadays, and that's for teams in the major conferences—teams like Boise State are automatically eliminated as long as they remain where they are. OSU was where KSU is now a few years ago, and would have been left out of the title game if they had gone undefeated, much like Auburn, Oregon and others have in the past.
If KSU win this week and next (don't actually think this will happen) then they most likely will be ranked #2, behind the winner of LSU & Alabama when the BCS rankings come out on November 6th. Then they still have Texas and Texas A&M too. The Big 12 is stacked this year; I really think that we have more overall dept than the SEC.
Quote from: ophidiophobia on Oct 26, 2011, 12:09 PM
Quote from: Crispy on Oct 26, 2011, 11:08 AM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Oct 25, 2011, 05:41 PM
the newest mantra of the pro BCS crowd is to say "Let the playoffs begin". I heard it a couple of times over the weekend and it makes me want to vomit. something like this:
The college football playofffs begin for Kansas State next weekend when they play Oklahoma and Oklahoma St. back-to-back
or
LSU and Alabama begin the college playoff season when they square off on November 5th.
You really think KSU is going to the BCS Title game if Stanford and Bama are undefeated? Even the bullshit "playoff" speak is bullshit b/c if you win all your "playoff" games, you still won't win the title.
Vomit
shit
piss
crap
It's insulting to the fans to suggest the regular season is "the playoffs". It's mind boggling. I mean, what do you call the "playoffs" in all the other sports if the "playoffs" in college football = regular season games?
maggot saliva blood beetle fart
Agree completely with this, and I'm an OSU (Oklahoma State, sorry, rest of the country) fan. It takes about four years of poll climbing to get to the BSC championship nowadays, and that's for teams in the major conferences—teams like Boise State are automatically eliminated as long as they remain where they are. OSU was where KSU is now a few years ago, and would have been left out of the title game if they had gone undefeated, much like Auburn, Oregon and others have in the past.
If KSU win this week and next (don't actually think this will happen) then they most likely will be ranked #2, behind the winner of LSU & Alabama when the BCS rankings come out on November 6th. Then they still have Texas and Texas A&M too. The Big 12 is stacked this year; I really think that we have more overall dept than the SEC.
Big 12 is better this year. SEC is vastly overrated. Outside of Bammer and LSU there really isn't another solid Top 10 team IMO (Lattimore eliminates USCjr)
Uh oh, SEC-comparison-Tracy-baiting...
Quote from: kotchishm on Oct 26, 2011, 12:22 PM
Big 12 is better this year. SEC is vastly overrated. Outside of Bammer and LSU there really isn't another solid Top 10 team IMO (Lattimore eliminates USCjr)
Agreed. LSU and 'Bama are in a class by themselves in the SEC this year. UGA is looking like they are going to win the SEC LEast only to get the misfortune of getting hammered by the winner of the LSU/'Bama game in the SEC Championship game.
But with that said, I think the overall weakness of the SEC this year should end the speculation that there could be an LSU/'Bama rematch in the BCS title game if there is an undefeated team out there still standing like a Big 12 team or a Stanford or a Boise...
Quote from: Crispy on Oct 26, 2011, 12:25 PM
Uh oh, SEC-comparison-Tracy-baiting...
He's crunching numbers as I type.
Seriously, here is the solution and it would work and it would be fun every year.
120 Div I teams. Each year, a computer randomly creates 10 12 team conferences where each team only plays their conference teams once each. That's it. Each conference champ makes the 16 team, randomly seeded playoff. The other 6 teams are voted on by the fans and can only be chosen from the pool of 2nd place in their conference teams. Any conference tie will be settled by mascot jousting at the 50 yard line. Single eliminatin 16 team playoff commences. Shuffle the deck and redeal next year. Red River Shootout, Iron Bowl, Mich/OSU etc. Can be held as exhibitions on their own time.
Let's do this!
Quote from: Ruckus on Oct 26, 2011, 01:07 PM
Red River Shootout, Iron Bowl, Mich/OSU etc. Can be held as exhibitions on their own time.
Let's do this!
Yep. I can totally see changing Michigan/OSU from The Game to The Exhibition... ;D
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Oct 26, 2011, 12:30 PM
Quote from: kotchishm on Oct 26, 2011, 12:22 PM
Big 12 is better this year. SEC is vastly overrated. Outside of Bammer and LSU there really isn't another solid Top 10 team IMO (Lattimore eliminates USCjr)
Agreed. LSU and 'Bama are in a class by themselves in the SEC this year. UGA is looking like they are going to win the SEC LEast only to get the misfortune of getting hammered by the winner of the LSU/'Bama game in the SEC Championship game.
But with that said, I think the overall weakness of the SEC this year should end the speculation that there could be an LSU/'Bama rematch in the BCS title game if there is an undefeated team out there still standing like a Big 12 team or a Stanford or a Boise...
Also, this wasn't necessarily a crack on the SEC, they have been the best for a while now and deserve the distinction of best conference year in year out, no questions asked, even in a down year. This year however, I just don't feel that the depth is there as in other seasons. I felt like USCjr had a very strong team at the beginning of the year but losing Lattimore all but took them out of contention (even though they are currently first in the east). The Big 12 is fielding a good amount of very competitive teams this year and I feel like as a whole, they are the strongest from top to bottom. Even though whoever wins the SEC title game ultimately stomps the BIG 12 representative into another world because Bammer and LSU are truly on another level.
Quote from: Ruckus on Oct 26, 2011, 01:07 PM
120 Div I teams. Each year, a computer randomly creates 10 12 team conferences where each team only plays their conference teams once each. That's it. Each conference champ makes the 16 team, randomly seeded playoff. The other 6 teams are voted on by the fans and can only be chosen from the pool of 2nd place in their conference teams. Any conference tie will be settled by mascot jousting at the 50 yard line. Single eliminatin 16 team playoff commences. Shuffle the deck and redeal next year. Red River Shootout, Iron Bowl, Mich/OSU etc. Can be held as exhibitions on their own time.
Let's do this!
I like this idea, except for the mascot jousting which would never happen unless it was referreed by Lee Corso
Quote from: kotchishm on Oct 26, 2011, 02:47 PM
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Oct 26, 2011, 12:30 PM
Quote from: kotchishm on Oct 26, 2011, 12:22 PM
Big 12 is better this year. SEC is vastly overrated. Outside of Bammer and LSU there really isn't another solid Top 10 team IMO (Lattimore eliminates USCjr)
Agreed. LSU and 'Bama are in a class by themselves in the SEC this year. UGA is looking like they are going to win the SEC LEast only to get the misfortune of getting hammered by the winner of the LSU/'Bama game in the SEC Championship game.
But with that said, I think the overall weakness of the SEC this year should end the speculation that there could be an LSU/'Bama rematch in the BCS title game if there is an undefeated team out there still standing like a Big 12 team or a Stanford or a Boise...
Also, this wasn't necessarily a crack on the SEC, they have been the best for a while now and deserve the distinction of best conference year in year out, no questions asked, even in a down year. This year however, I just don't feel that the depth is there as in other seasons. I felt like USCjr had a very strong team at the beginning of the year but losing Lattimore all but took them out of contention (even though they are currently first in the east). The Big 12 is fielding a good amount of very competitive teams this year and I feel like as a whole, they are the strongest from top to bottom. Even though whoever wins the SEC title game ultimately stomps the BIG 12 representative into another world because Bammer and LSU are truly on another level.
Soooooooo Arkansas beat Texas AM in the only SEC / Big 12 match up. You got another theory?
Quote from: capt. scotty on Oct 26, 2011, 03:20 PM
Quote from: Ruckus on Oct 26, 2011, 01:07 PM
120 Div I teams. Each year, a computer randomly creates 10 12 team conferences where each team only plays their conference teams once each. That's it. Each conference champ makes the 16 team, randomly seeded playoff. The other 6 teams are voted on by the fans and can only be chosen from the pool of 2nd place in their conference teams. Any conference tie will be settled by mascot jousting at the 50 yard line. Single eliminatin 16 team playoff commences. Shuffle the deck and redeal next year. Red River Shootout, Iron Bowl, Mich/OSU etc. Can be held as exhibitions on their own time.
Let's do this!
I like this idea, except for the mascot jousting which would never happen unless it was referreed by Lee Corso
Renaissance Fairs...the new fertile recruiting grounds. If we were to remove ourselves from what we have known college football to be, this would work. It would be so much fun every year.
Michigan and OSU can play their "exhibition" before the season and the voters could take the result into account if one of them finish 2nd in their respective conferences. ;D
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Oct 26, 2011, 08:59 PM
Quote from: kotchishm on Oct 26, 2011, 02:47 PM
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Oct 26, 2011, 12:30 PM
Quote from: kotchishm on Oct 26, 2011, 12:22 PM
Big 12 is better this year. SEC is vastly overrated. Outside of Bammer and LSU there really isn't another solid Top 10 team IMO (Lattimore eliminates USCjr)
Agreed. LSU and 'Bama are in a class by themselves in the SEC this year. UGA is looking like they are going to win the SEC LEast only to get the misfortune of getting hammered by the winner of the LSU/'Bama game in the SEC Championship game.
But with that said, I think the overall weakness of the SEC this year should end the speculation that there could be an LSU/'Bama rematch in the BCS title game if there is an undefeated team out there still standing like a Big 12 team or a Stanford or a Boise...
Also, this wasn't necessarily a crack on the SEC, they have been the best for a while now and deserve the distinction of best conference year in year out, no questions asked, even in a down year. This year however, I just don't feel that the depth is there as in other seasons. I felt like USCjr had a very strong team at the beginning of the year but losing Lattimore all but took them out of contention (even though they are currently first in the east). The Big 12 is fielding a good amount of very competitive teams this year and I feel like as a whole, they are the strongest from top to bottom. Even though whoever wins the SEC title game ultimately stomps the BIG 12 representative into another world because Bammer and LSU are truly on another level.
Soooooooo Arkansas beat Texas AM in the only SEC / Big 12 match up. You got another theory?
So one head to head matchup determines conference depth and strength? A 42-38 game? If that's your argument then the ACC is better than the SEC (1-0 but we both know this isn't true). Both conferences have six teams ranked in the BCS top 25. All I was saying is as of right now I think the Big 12 has a slight edge in overall conference strength....so does Jeff Sagarin
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc11.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc11.htm)
Quote from: kotchishm on Oct 27, 2011, 10:50 AM
So one head to head matchup determines conference depth and strength? A 42-38 game? If that's your argument then the ACC is better than the SEC (1-0 but we both know this isn't true). Both conferences have six teams ranked in the BCS top 25. All I was saying is as of right now I think the Big 12 has a slight edge in overall conference strength....so does Jeff Sagarin
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc11.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc11.htm)
The best team in the ACC, Clemson, beat a not so good Auburn team (who could easily be 3-5) at home. Big whoop. Boise St. beat UGA and I don't think the Mountain West is better than the SEC.
Arkansas and Texas A&M are comparable teams in their conferences(2nd tier) and Arkansas won, thus the comparison, the only real comparison outside of theorizing who would win.
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Oct 27, 2011, 11:23 PM
Quote from: kotchishm on Oct 27, 2011, 10:50 AM
So one head to head matchup determines conference depth and strength? A 42-38 game? If that's your argument then the ACC is better than the SEC (1-0 but we both know this isn't true). Both conferences have six teams ranked in the BCS top 25. All I was saying is as of right now I think the Big 12 has a slight edge in overall conference strength....so does Jeff Sagarin
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc11.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc11.htm)
The best team in the ACC, Clemson, beat a not so good Auburn team (who could easily be 3-5) at home. Big whoop. Boise St. beat UGA and I don't think the Mountain West is better than the SEC.
Arkansas and Texas A&M are comparable teams in their conferences(2nd tier) and Arkansas won, thus the comparison, the only real comparison outside of theorizing who would win.
1 game is kind of a small sample size. Bowl season will likely show what conference was stronger
http://tebowing.com/ (http://tebowing.com/)
Quote from: capt. scotty on Oct 28, 2011, 12:32 AM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Oct 27, 2011, 11:23 PM
Quote from: kotchishm on Oct 27, 2011, 10:50 AM
So one head to head matchup determines conference depth and strength? A 42-38 game? If that's your argument then the ACC is better than the SEC (1-0 but we both know this isn't true). Both conferences have six teams ranked in the BCS top 25. All I was saying is as of right now I think the Big 12 has a slight edge in overall conference strength....so does Jeff Sagarin
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc11.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc11.htm)
The best team in the ACC, Clemson, beat a not so good Auburn team (who could easily be 3-5) at home. Big whoop. Boise St. beat UGA and I don't think the Mountain West is better than the SEC.
Arkansas and Texas A&M are comparable teams in their conferences(2nd tier) and Arkansas won, thus the comparison, the only real comparison outside of theorizing who would win.
1 game is kind of a small sample size. Bowl season will likely show what conference was stronger
1 > 0
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Oct 28, 2011, 01:36 PM
Quote from: capt. scotty on Oct 28, 2011, 12:32 AM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Oct 27, 2011, 11:23 PM
Quote from: kotchishm on Oct 27, 2011, 10:50 AM
So one head to head matchup determines conference depth and strength? A 42-38 game? If that's your argument then the ACC is better than the SEC (1-0 but we both know this isn't true). Both conferences have six teams ranked in the BCS top 25. All I was saying is as of right now I think the Big 12 has a slight edge in overall conference strength....so does Jeff Sagarin
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc11.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc11.htm)
The best team in the ACC, Clemson, beat a not so good Auburn team (who could easily be 3-5) at home. Big whoop. Boise St. beat UGA and I don't think the Mountain West is better than the SEC.
Arkansas and Texas A&M are comparable teams in their conferences(2nd tier) and Arkansas won, thus the comparison, the only real comparison outside of theorizing who would win.
1 game is kind of a small sample size. Bowl season will likely show what conference was stronger
1 > 0
Great mathematics, Pythagoras
Samsonite!!! .....I was way off on how good Wisky was/is.
I mostly watched Stanford/USC instead of that game though, helluva game! I actually think Barkley looked arguably better than Luck
Quote from: capt. scotty on Oct 30, 2011, 12:49 AM
Samsonite!!! .....I was way off on how good Wisky was/is.
I mostly watched Stanford/USC instead of that game though, helluva game! I actually think Barkley looked arguably better than Luck
I don't think it's about being way off on how good Wisky is/was. They are a good football team. Just a poorly coached football team. I think Wisky's freefall has more to do with their coach being exposed for the fraud he is than anything else. That and the fact that Bielema can never seem to figure out that scheduling at least one tough opponent in your non-conference schedule might actually better prepare your football team for the grind of the conference schedule more than scheduling the cupcakes Wisconsin feasts year in and year out.
Bret Bielema=One of the most Over-rated head coaches in CFB...
Thought everyone would enjoy these articles that Bammer fans put together each week. IT'S MELTDOWN TIME!
**language warning**
Last week:
http://www.rollbamaroll.com/2011/11/1/2525434/its-meltdown-time (http://www.rollbamaroll.com/2011/11/1/2525434/its-meltdown-time)
10/25:
http://www.rollbamaroll.com/2011/10/25/2507389/its-meltdown-time (http://www.rollbamaroll.com/2011/10/25/2507389/its-meltdown-time)
10/18:
http://www.rollbamaroll.com/2011/10/18/2493871/its-meltdown-time (http://www.rollbamaroll.com/2011/10/18/2493871/its-meltdown-time)
You can find older ones too, I think they are hilarious.
GAME OF THE CENTURY of the week !!!!
Quote from: capt. scotty on Nov 03, 2011, 02:36 PM
GAME OF THE CENTURY of the week !!!!
I'm so sick of the hype this game is getting?! It's almost nauseating. I'll be so glad when ESPN can actually talk about the rest of college football after this week... ::)
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Nov 05, 2011, 09:50 AM
Quote from: capt. scotty on Nov 03, 2011, 02:36 PM
GAME OF THE CENTURY of the week !!!!
I'm so sick of the hype this game is getting?! It's almost nauseating. I'll be so glad when ESPN can actually talk about the rest of college football after this week... ::)
I'm really excited for this game, but I've had to stay away from ESPN the last few day. The hype is too much. I'm ready for my Pokes to move into the #2 spot tomorrow.
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Nov 05, 2011, 09:50 AM
Quote from: capt. scotty on Nov 03, 2011, 02:36 PM
GAME OF THE CENTURY of the week !!!!
I'm so sick of the hype this game is getting?! It's almost nauseating. I'll be so glad when ESPN can actually talk about the rest of college football after this week... ::)
I dont watch ESPN enough to really be sick of it, all I watch for the most part is PTI, ATH, and 1st&10. That said, I realize its #1 and #2, but what if its not all that good of a game? Id be shocked if its as good as Stanford/USC was last week. It will probably be a good game, but I wouldnt be surprised if Bama wins like 27-17 in a game that might not even be as close as that score would make you think.
I will be just as excited/interested for Sooners/Okie St and Stanford/Oregon as I am for this game tonight, and for selfish reasons, how Penn St looks the next few weeks vs NEB, @ tOSU, and @Wisky.
Burn in hell, Sandusky. Fuckin' piece of shit. Fuck him. Fuck Penn State for allowing him to operate his camps. It's absolutely disgusting, all of it.
Quote from: bbill on Nov 07, 2011, 10:50 AM
Burn in hell, Sandusky. Fuckin' piece of shit. Fuck him. Fuck Penn State for allowing him to operate his camps. It's absolutely disgusting, all of it.
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Quote from: Jon T. on Nov 07, 2011, 11:00 AM
Quote from: bbill on Nov 07, 2011, 10:50 AM
Burn in hell, Sandusky. Fuckin' piece of shit. Fuck him. Fuck Penn State for allowing him to operate his camps. It's absolutely disgusting, all of it.
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Totally agreed. What a sickening and disturbing story. Really not much there to defend PSU when you look at it from the perspective that by sweeping Sandusky's raping of a 10 year old in a PSU locker room shower under the rug, they basically condoned his deplorable behavior and allowed it to continue for an additional 10 years?!
Thought this quote from the PA Attorney General says it best and really makes PSU look foolish:
QuoteThe grand jury noted that Sandusky was barred from the school district attended by the victim in 2009, after the boy's mother reported allegations of sexual assault to the school. That matter was promptly reported to authorities, as required by Pennsylvania law - a report that marked the start of an extensive investigation by Pennsylvania State Police and the Attorney General's Office.
The quick action by high school staff members in Clinton County in response to reports of a possible sexual assault by Sandusky is in marked contrast to the reaction of top officials at Penn State University, who had actually received a first-hand report of a sexual attack by Sandusky seven years earlier.
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/11/07/sandusky_grand_jury_presentment.pdf?hpt=hp_t1 (http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/11/07/sandusky_grand_jury_presentment.pdf?hpt=hp_t1)
The link above is the grand jury findings. I hope this guy gets put in general population when he is locked up. And the people that covered it should be considered accomplices. I feel bad for all the good people at Penn State that now have to deal with the carnage this asshole left.
OK, I give, the SEC IS better than the BIG12..... ;D
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7199062/missouri-tigers-move-sec-official-big-12-hurdles-remain (http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7199062/missouri-tigers-move-sec-official-big-12-hurdles-remain)
In all seriousness though, I'm kind of depressed that we are losing our big rivals. We have played KU since 1907. 1907! That blows. I am happy with the stability of the SEC and not having to worry about opening the paper every morning to see what's going on.
I still believe over the last 10 years that the Big 12 is by far the best conference if you factor in football AND basketball.
I also believe, unlike the local and national media, that Mizzou will be able to compete in the SEC. Mock up any future schedule and it doesn't look any worse than what we played this year in the Big 12.
Quote from: BH on Nov 07, 2011, 03:22 PM
OK, I give, the SEC IS better than the BIG12..... ;D
:thumbsup:
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Nov 07, 2011, 04:13 PM
Quote from: BH on Nov 07, 2011, 03:22 PM
OK, I give, the SEC IS better than the BIG12..... ;D
:thumbsup:
One of the things I've always had on my bucket list was to see an SEC football game. Watching Mizzou play Kentucky in Columbia, MO (although awesome) is not exactly what I had in mind.
Quote from: bbill on Nov 07, 2011, 10:50 AM
Burn in hell, Sandusky. Fuckin' piece of shit. Fuck him. Fuck Penn State for allowing him to operate his camps. It's absolutely disgusting, all of it.
Its terrible. I first heard about the allegations/investigations about 6 months ago, and just based on the minimal amount of info I heard then, it was pretty clear he was guilty. Now he has 40 various felony and misdemeanor charges against him, its pretty shocking. I wasnt really a fan when he was there because I wasnt a student until 2003, but Ive heard other fans say that Sandusky stepping down in 1999 was very odd and they heard things like the school had Paterno tell Sandusky that he would never be the head coach for PSU, which makes you think they had even heard things before 2002. I dont understand why the AD or VP didnt go to police and McQuery and Paterno told them about the 2002 incident. Whether they did or not, it was going to look bad for the school, and now it looks even worse that they covered up such aggregious crimes.
My biggest question is why Paterno (or McQuery, since his was the eyewitness) didnt follow up with Curley or Schultz to be sure that the police were informed. Joe says he wasnt aware of the graphic details that were in the grand jury report, but for a guy with such class and high standards, its surprising to hear him not following up to make sure the plice knew about this.
So anyway, while offense is always entertaining, I still thought the game was very entertaining. Both defenses are great, and they made average QBs look terrible. The play of the game and gamechanger that I think won LSU the game was when the LSU DB stripped the ball from from Bama's TE for an INT in what first appeared to be a sure catch and Bama ball 1st & goal inside the 1 and likely TD. If LSU doesnt force the TO there, Im pretty sure they wouldve lost. Bad playcalling by Bama in OT didnt hurt either.
Crazy that Bama is still #3 in the BCS right now. Im sure Stanford would pass them if they go undefeated, but thats a big if. Considering theyre still at 3 right now, Id guess that Bama will end up #2 when all is said and done if everyone else has 1 loss and/or Boise is the only undefeated (besides LSU). Right now, Id rank the title games I want as:
1) LSU/Stanford
2) LSU/OU
3) LSU/Okie St
4) LSU/Bama
5) LSU/Oregon
6) LSU/Boise
Quote from: Taterbug on Nov 07, 2011, 01:23 PM
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/11/07/sandusky_grand_jury_presentment.pdf?hpt=hp_t1 (http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/11/07/sandusky_grand_jury_presentment.pdf?hpt=hp_t1)
The link above is the grand jury findings. I hope this guy gets put in general population when he is locked up. And the people that covered it should be considered accomplices. I feel bad for all the good people at Penn State that now have to deal with the carnage this asshole left.
Really sad. They need to clean house...everyone is dirty in this...
Quote from: capt. scotty on Nov 07, 2011, 05:41 PM
Right now, Id rank the title games I want as:
1) LSU/Stanford
2) LSU/OU
3) LSU/Okie St
4) LSU/Bama
5) LSU/Oregon
6) LSU/Boise
LSU/Stanford would be my #1 choice. I just want to see how Luck would fare against that LSU Defense. I'm not in favor of a rematch of Bama/LSU AT ALL! If they didn't give Michigan/OSU a rematch of what was actually a VERY entertaining game back in 2006, then I don't want a rematch of a game decided by who has the better fg kicker...
LSU/Okie St would probably be my #2 choice.
Quote from: capt. scotty on Nov 07, 2011, 05:28 PMMy biggest question is why Paterno (or McQuery, since his was the eyewitness) didnt follow up with Curley or Schultz to be sure that the police were informed. Joe says he wasnt aware of the graphic details that were in the grand jury report, but for a guy with such class and high standards, its surprising to hear him not following up to make sure the plice knew about this.
This is my biggest question as well. And to take it a step further, why isn't Paterno and McQuery facing charges of failing to report a sex crime to the police? After all, McQuery witnessed the crime and failed to report it to the police and Paterno chose to take McQuery's information to the AD and the universtiy VP instead of notifying the police?!
I echo taterbug's sentiments of cleaning house. I really don't see how PSU can save face any other way. It's really a shame that the legend that is Joe Paterno will now be more remembered for this scandal than for all he accomplished in his 167 years (give or take 50) as head coach at PSU... :-\
Quote from: Penny Lane on Nov 08, 2011, 09:19 AM
Quote from: Taterbug on Nov 07, 2011, 01:23 PM
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/11/07/sandusky_grand_jury_presentment.pdf?hpt=hp_t1 (http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/11/07/sandusky_grand_jury_presentment.pdf?hpt=hp_t1)
The link above is the grand jury findings. I hope this guy gets put in general population when he is locked up. And the people that covered it should be considered accomplices. I feel bad for all the good people at Penn State that now have to deal with the carnage this asshole left.
Really sad. They need to clean house...everyone is dirty in this...
The grand jury report is.....WHY THE F*CK wasn't stuff done earlier!? Sandusky was in a dream of mine last night. >:( I will never stop grinding my teeth over some of the stories the children I used to work with would divulge to me. I agree with Tater. This dude needs gen pop ASAP.
Frank Bruni has a nice piece in the NYTimes for Americans' limitless capacity to show outrage over an issue. In this case it's justified, over and over and over. Yes, this is news because it is a big university involved. Sad how much this happens in everyday life. :-\
Quote from: Ruckus on Nov 08, 2011, 09:30 AM
WHY THE F*CK wasn't stuff done earlier!?
Never underestimate the power of denial.
This has been going on for a while within the Catholic Church. You have men in positions of power who feel they are above the law. If religious "leaders" can't do the right thing then I'm not suprised that some football coaches don't do the right thing.
Someone from Clinton County high school (who made a report to authorities in 2008) is the hero here; probably some social worker doing their job, not making a lot of money and never getting the spotlight. Doing something that they probably do a lot, which is hard and messes with your chi (yes, I'm a social worker, too) but necessary to protect children. But they'll never get the recognition or get PAID b/c what they do isn't "important". Right :-\
How do you witness something like that and not immediately do everything you can think of to end it? How do you leave the building while knowing exactly what was going on inside? How do you go home, and only mention it to Paterno the following day? I understand the shock, and wanting to protect your job or a reputation or an institution, but JESUS CHRIST if you're going to draw a line somewhere it has got to be before child rape. I can understand why accountants don't go blowing the whistle when they see some fudging of numbers, or people look the other way when they know about insurance fraud, or other lesser crimes that occur everyday. Mike McQueary bears some responsibility in this, as does Paterno, and everyone else who even had an inkling that anything like this was going on. Absolultely disgusting.
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Nov 08, 2011, 09:28 AM
Quote from: capt. scotty on Nov 07, 2011, 05:28 PMMy biggest question is why Paterno (or McQuery, since his was the eyewitness) didnt follow up with Curley or Schultz to be sure that the police were informed. Joe says he wasnt aware of the graphic details that were in the grand jury report, but for a guy with such class and high standards, its surprising to hear him not following up to make sure the plice knew about this.
This is my biggest question as well. And to take it a step further, why isn't Paterno and McQuery facing charges of failing to report a sex crime to the police? After all, McQuery witnessed the crime and failed to report it to the police and Paterno chose to take McQuery's information to the AD and the universtiy VP instead of notifying the police?!
Neither Paterno nor McQuery were under a legal obligation to tell the the Police according to the state law. They were deemed "employees". It's only their duty to tell their superior/administrator. It was the administrator/principal/President's job to alert the authorities within 48 hours. Joe is in the clear legally. It was the responsibility of the other three--in some states, i think they may have had the duty, but not in PA..
Quote from: YouAre_GivenToFly on Nov 08, 2011, 10:55 AM
How do you witness something like that and not immediately do everything you can think of to end it? How do you leave the building while knowing exactly what was going on inside? How do you go home, and only mention it to Paterno the following day? I understand the shock, and wanting to protect your job or a reputation or an institution, but JESUS CHRIST if you're going to draw a line somewhere it has got to be before child rape. I can understand why accountants don't go blowing the whistle when they see some fudging of numbers, or people look the other way when they know about insurance fraud, or other lesser crimes that occur everyday. Mike McQueary bears some responsibility in this, as does Paterno, and everyone else who even had an inkling that anything like this was going on. Absolultely disgusting.
Totally agree about McQuery.
How he just walked out of the locker room while a little boy is being raped is beyond comprehension. McQuery is not some small, geeky, team manager. He was a college qb before becoming a GA, and certainly has the size,imo, to if not kick Sandusky's ass in that shower, at least be ablle to land a punch or two to that scumbag's face. At the very least he was big enough to be able to get that poor kid away from Sandusky, at that time.
I can't believe McQuery seems to be getting a big-time pass in all of this,imo. I can't imagine how he can look himself in the mirror, or sleep at night. >:(
Quote from: ericm on Nov 08, 2011, 11:07 AM
Quote from: YouAre_GivenToFly on Nov 08, 2011, 10:55 AM
How do you witness something like that and not immediately do everything you can think of to end it? How do you leave the building while knowing exactly what was going on inside? How do you go home, and only mention it to Paterno the following day? I understand the shock, and wanting to protect your job or a reputation or an institution, but JESUS CHRIST if you're going to draw a line somewhere it has got to be before child rape. I can understand why accountants don't go blowing the whistle when they see some fudging of numbers, or people look the other way when they know about insurance fraud, or other lesser crimes that occur everyday. Mike McQueary bears some responsibility in this, as does Paterno, and everyone else who even had an inkling that anything like this was going on. Absolultely disgusting.
Totally agree about McQuery.
How he just walked out of the locker room while a little boy is being raped is beyond comprehension. McQuery is not some small, geeky, team manager. He was a college qb before becoming a GA, and certainly has the size,imo, to if not kick Sandusky's ass in that shower, at least be ablle to land a punch or two to that scumbag's face. At the very least he was big enough to be able to get that poor kid away from Sandusky, at that time.
I can't believe McQuery seems to be getting a big-time pass in all of this,imo. I can't imagine how he can look himself in the mirror, or sleep at night. >:(
I can understand that he would be in absolute shock after witnessing that, but how in the days, months, and years after did that not haunt him enough to finally take it to every authority you can possibly think of.
I actually disagree and see McQuery as the least culpable here. He went to Joe Paterno's HOUSE and told him what happened the next day. Then he was summoned to a meeting with Curley and Shultz and they assured him they took care of it, that they'd done this and that. This is your AD, your VP of Business and probably the most prestigious and famous college football coach in the history of college football assuring you it's been taken care of...it doesn't excuse what he did at all. He should have called the Police.
..but they others were part of a cover up. Paterno and the others knew about this guy and wanted him out quietly before this all blew up. They took what McQuery told them about rape and turned it into 'locker room horseplay'...that's dispicable..
I've been waiting for the Grantland article. So sad
This has to be so tough for Penn State fans..
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7205085/growing-penn-state (http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7205085/growing-penn-state)
Quote from: Penny Lane on Nov 08, 2011, 11:19 AM
I actually disagree and see McQuery as the least culpable here. He went to Joe Paterno's HOUSE and told him what happened the next day. Then he was summoned to a meeting with Curley and Shultz and they assured him they took care of it, that they'd done this and that. This is your AD, your VP of Business and probably the most prestigious and famous college football coach in the history of college football assuring you it's been taken care of...it doesn't excuse what he did at all. He should have called the Police.
..but they others were part of a cover up. Paterno and the others knew about this guy and wanted him out quietly before this all blew up. They took what McQuery told them about rape and turned it into 'locker room horseplay'...that's dispicable..
I do see McQuery as least culpable, but he just seems to be getting off easy in the press that I've read and heard. It doesnt sound like McQuery was part of a cover up at all, but he had to have known that whatever Paterno, Curley, and Schultz did obviously wasn't nearly enough since Sandusky was still allowed on campus, around children, and wasn't IN PRISON.
Quote from: YouAre_GivenToFly on Nov 08, 2011, 11:12 AM
Quote from: ericm on Nov 08, 2011, 11:07 AM
Quote from: YouAre_GivenToFly on Nov 08, 2011, 10:55 AM
How do you witness something like that and not immediately do everything you can think of to end it? How do you leave the building while knowing exactly what was going on inside? How do you go home, and only mention it to Paterno the following day? I understand the shock, and wanting to protect your job or a reputation or an institution, but JESUS CHRIST if you're going to draw a line somewhere it has got to be before child rape. I can understand why accountants don't go blowing the whistle when they see some fudging of numbers, or people look the other way when they know about insurance fraud, or other lesser crimes that occur everyday. Mike McQueary bears some responsibility in this, as does Paterno, and everyone else who even had an inkling that anything like this was going on. Absolultely disgusting.
Totally agree about McQuery.
How he just walked out of the locker room while a little boy is being raped is beyond comprehension. McQuery is not some small, geeky, team manager. He was a college qb before becoming a GA, and certainly has the size,imo, to if not kick Sandusky's ass in that shower, at least be ablle to land a punch or two to that scumbag's face. At the very least he was big enough to be able to get that poor kid away from Sandusky, at that time.
I can't believe McQuery seems to be getting a big-time pass in all of this,imo. I can't imagine how he can look himself in the mirror, or sleep at night. >:(
I can understand that he would be in absolute shock after witnessing that, but how in the days, months, and years after did that not haunt him enough to finally take it to every authority you can possibly think of.
Shock? maybe so, but I have to believe that if I ever witnessed something like that, my first thought would be to help the kid, and not run to Daddy, and then to Joe Pa.
That's the part I'm having the most trouble with. What he said later, or if he was part of a coverup is nothing to me, compared to not stopping the rape of a little boy. How in the hell could he run out, and not help that kid? :o
When did employees of a university become exempt for reporting criminal misconduct directly to campus police or the state police for that matter. ? fuck the chain of command.
A hypothetical question for all you lawyers.
Lets just say I'm at my job and I walk out in our warehouse and find someone being raped by my co-worker and I decide not to interject ( which is hypothetical. I would totally go bonkers on the dirtbag ) and just report it to my boss. Then he does nothing. 2 weeks later this person goes to the police and says that they saw me while in the process of being assaulted and I did nothing to help except for telling someone else. What law protects me from being criminally or civilly prosocuted ?
Quote from: ericm on Nov 08, 2011, 11:43 AM
Quote from: YouAre_GivenToFly on Nov 08, 2011, 11:12 AM
Quote from: ericm on Nov 08, 2011, 11:07 AM
Quote from: YouAre_GivenToFly on Nov 08, 2011, 10:55 AM
How do you witness something like that and not immediately do everything you can think of to end it? How do you leave the building while knowing exactly what was going on inside? How do you go home, and only mention it to Paterno the following day? I understand the shock, and wanting to protect your job or a reputation or an institution, but JESUS CHRIST if you're going to draw a line somewhere it has got to be before child rape. I can understand why accountants don't go blowing the whistle when they see some fudging of numbers, or people look the other way when they know about insurance fraud, or other lesser crimes that occur everyday. Mike McQueary bears some responsibility in this, as does Paterno, and everyone else who even had an inkling that anything like this was going on. Absolultely disgusting.
Totally agree about McQuery.
How he just walked out of the locker room while a little boy is being raped is beyond comprehension. McQuery is not some small, geeky, team manager. He was a college qb before becoming a GA, and certainly has the size,imo, to if not kick Sandusky's ass in that shower, at least be ablle to land a punch or two to that scumbag's face. At the very least he was big enough to be able to get that poor kid away from Sandusky, at that time.
I can't believe McQuery seems to be getting a big-time pass in all of this,imo. I can't imagine how he can look himself in the mirror, or sleep at night. >:(
I can understand that he would be in absolute shock after witnessing that, but how in the days, months, and years after did that not haunt him enough to finally take it to every authority you can possibly think of.
Shock? maybe so, but I have to believe that if I ever witnessed something like that, my first thought would be to help the kid, and not run to Daddy, and then to Joe Pa.
That's the part I'm having the most trouble with. What he said later, or if he was part of a coverup is nothing to me, compared to not stopping the rape of a little boy. How in the hell could he run out, and not help that kid? :o
I agree. There's that 1% of me that says "people cannot expect to act normally in completely abnormal situations"... but then there's the other 99% of my brain that keeps asking how did he not just end the act right there, but how did he keep himself from killing the coach with his bare hands on the spot.
I felt bad for Cap when I came back in here yesterday afternoon and saw that he'd changed his avatar. PSU alums deserve to feel proud of their school - it's a great school.
I just can't imagine what those boys and their families have gone through.
Quote from: Taterbug on Nov 08, 2011, 11:47 AM
When did employees of a university become exempt for reporting criminal misconduct directly to campus police or the state police for that matter. ? fuck the chain of command.
A hypothetical question for all you lawyers.
Lets just say I'm at my job and I walk out in our warehouse and find someone being raped by my co-worker and I decide not to interject ( which is hypothetical. I would totally go bonkers on the dirtbag ) and just report it to my boss. Then he does nothing. 2 weeks later this person goes to the police and says that they saw me while in the process of being assaulted and I did nothing to help except for telling someone else. What law protects me from being criminally or civilly prosocuted ?
You're under no legal duty to report this so how would you be criminally or civilly prosecuted? (I never took the bar exam and don't consider myself a real lawyer, though)
The question above-- probably varies by state. In some states, maybe teachers are legally obligated to go right to the police, in others, they are legally obligated to tell the Principal, who is then legally obligated to tell the Police. In PA, employees had no legal duty to tell the Police. Joe and McQuery had no legal duty, the others did.
Quote from: YouAre_GivenToFly on Nov 08, 2011, 11:36 AM
Quote from: Penny Lane on Nov 08, 2011, 11:19 AM
I actually disagree and see McQuery as the least culpable here. He went to Joe Paterno's HOUSE and told him what happened the next day. Then he was summoned to a meeting with Curley and Shultz and they assured him they took care of it, that they'd done this and that. This is your AD, your VP of Business and probably the most prestigious and famous college football coach in the history of college football assuring you it's been taken care of...it doesn't excuse what he did at all. He should have called the Police.
..but they others were part of a cover up. Paterno and the others knew about this guy and wanted him out quietly before this all blew up. They took what McQuery told them about rape and turned it into 'locker room horseplay'...that's dispicable..
I do see McQuery as least culpable, but he just seems to be getting off easy in the press that I've read and heard. It doesnt sound like McQuery was part of a cover up at all, but he had to have known that whatever Paterno, Curley, and Schultz did obviously wasn't nearly enough since Sandusky was still allowed on campus, around children, and wasn't IN PRISON.
Agree with all of this. Who knows what they actually told McQueary (maybe its in the grand jury report, I didnt read the whole thing), but he had to realize nothing had been done if Sandusky was still on campus LAST WEEK as well as never hearing anything in the news. I dont see how he survives this, and how could he as our head of recruiting?!
News today that Im seeing is that a 9th boy from Second Mile has come forward and accused Sandusky of sex abuse. Paterno's press conference was canceled due to legal circumstances but Paterno was ready to address the scandal. PSU trustees are in the process of working on Paterno's exit, maybe within days or weeks. I'll be kind of surprised if he doesnt finish the year, but I guess I shouldnt be.
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Nov 08, 2011, 09:20 AM
Quote from: capt. scotty on Nov 07, 2011, 05:41 PM
Right now, Id rank the title games I want as:
1) LSU/Stanford
2) LSU/OU
3) LSU/Okie St
4) LSU/Bama
5) LSU/Oregon
6) LSU/Boise
LSU/Stanford would be my #1 choice. I just want to see how Luck would fare against that LSU Defense. I'm not in favor of a rematch of Bama/LSU AT ALL! If they didn't give Michigan/OSU a rematch of what was actually a VERY entertaining game back in 2006, then I don't want a rematch of a game decided by who has the better fg kicker...
LSU/Okie St would probably be my #2 choice.
I have OU as the 2nd matchup I want assuming they beat Okie St. I think the Sooners are the best team outside of LSU and Bama and that Texas Tech loss was pretty much unexplainable. If Okie St beats them and goes undefeated, I think they deserve to be there ahead of Stanford actually.
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Nov 08, 2011, 10:33 AM
Quote from: Ruckus on Nov 08, 2011, 09:30 AM
WHY THE F*CK wasn't stuff done earlier!?
Never underestimate the power of denial.
This has been going on for a while within the Catholic Church. You have men in positions of power who feel they are above the law. If religious "leaders" can't do the right thing then I'm not suprised that some football coaches don't do the right thing.
Someone from Clinton County high school (who made a report to authorities in 2008) is the hero here; probably some social worker doing their job, not making a lot of money and never getting the spotlight. Doing something that they probably do a lot, which is hard and messes with your chi (yes, I'm a social worker, too) but necessary to protect children. But they'll never get the recognition or get PAID b/c what they do isn't "important". Right :-\
I agree Tracy though I'd make more of a distinction between the concept of denial and individual/institutional hubris. There are a lot of gaps in the story here and I'd like to hear more details about hush money or threats to lower downs on the totem pole. Unfortunately, Joe Pa is culpable as well though he avoided legal trouble by doing the bare minimum. Not denial, hubris. My legacy and this program's image is much more important than the innocence of youth
And the DA who decided not to prosecute back in 1998 (after hearing Sandusky confess) disappeared in 2005:
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/sandusky-investigator-center-mystery/story?id=14905668#.TrmBwOw-KoY (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/sandusky-investigator-center-mystery/story?id=14905668#.TrmBwOw-KoY)
Quote from: Penny Lane on Nov 08, 2011, 02:40 PM
And the DA who decided not to prosecute back in 1998 (after hearing Sandusky confess) disappeared in 2005:
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/sandusky-investigator-center-mystery/story?id=14905668#.TrmBwOw-KoY (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/sandusky-investigator-center-mystery/story?id=14905668#.TrmBwOw-KoY)
I remember hearing about this when he first went missing. They found parts of his laptop and things like that, almost sounded like he wanted to disappear.
Quote from: Penny Lane on Nov 08, 2011, 02:40 PM
And the DA who decided not to prosecute back in 1998 (after hearing Sandusky confess) disappeared in 2005:
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/sandusky-investigator-center-mystery/story?id=14905668#.TrmBwOw-KoY (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/sandusky-investigator-center-mystery/story?id=14905668#.TrmBwOw-KoY)
Damn, I remember this story when it happened and reading it in the school paper for weeks/months. This article though comes across as pure speculation in connecting the two just to get people to read it.
Quote from: Penny Lane on Nov 08, 2011, 12:56 PM
Quote from: Taterbug on Nov 08, 2011, 11:47 AM
When did employees of a university become exempt for reporting criminal misconduct directly to campus police or the state police for that matter. ? fuck the chain of command.
A hypothetical question for all you lawyers.
Lets just say I'm at my job and I walk out in our warehouse and find someone being raped by my co-worker and I decide not to interject ( which is hypothetical. I would totally go bonkers on the dirtbag ) and just report it to my boss. Then he does nothing. 2 weeks later this person goes to the police and says that they saw me while in the process of being assaulted and I did nothing to help except for telling someone else. What law protects me from being criminally or civilly prosocuted ?
You're under no legal duty to report this so how would you be criminally or civilly prosecuted? (I never took the bar exam and don't consider myself a real lawyer, though)
The question above-- probably varies by state. In some states, maybe teachers are legally obligated to go right to the police, in others, they are legally obligated to tell the Principal, who is then legally obligated to tell the Police. In PA, employees had no legal duty to tell the Police. Joe and McQuery had no legal duty, the others did.
In Tennessee you are required to report the physical/sexual abuse of a child regardless of your job title or authority.
Fuck the police. This whole thing makes my blood boil.
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/mothers_of_two_of_jerry_sandus.html (http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/mothers_of_two_of_jerry_sandus.html)
QuoteWhen the mother confronted Sandusky, he said: "I understand. I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won't get it from you. I wish I were dead," according the presentment from the grand jury.
An investigator for Children and Youth Services broke the news to the mother: It was all a big mistake, the mother said she was told. The police officer who investigated won't comment. Neither will the former police chief.
"Jerry Sandusky admitted to my face, he admitted it," the mother said. "He admitted that he lathered up my son they were naked and he bear-hugged him. If they would have done something about it in 1998, and then again in 2002 — there was two chances they dropped the ball and I think they should all be held accountable."
Im starting to get the impression that Paterno isnt going to make it thru the week.
It would appear he didnt do everything he should have, but it still sucks to see that everything he has done to build the PSU name and football program is going to end like this :-\
Quote from: capt. scotty on Nov 08, 2011, 06:37 PM
Im starting to get the impression that Paterno isnt going to make it thru the week.
It would appear he didnt do everything he should have, but it still sucks to see that everything he has done to build the PSU name and football program is going to end like this :-\
There's no point in dragging it out. He won't be able to march onto the field on Sat. They should do it tomorrow.
Philly's Fox station is now reporting the victims have more than doubled and its approaching 20. Id guess the actual amount of kids this sleazebag corrupted is closer to 100 considering the length of time, but who knows how many people come forward.
http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/sports/local_sports/exclusive:-victims-double-in-penn-state-case-110811 (http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/sports/local_sports/exclusive:-victims-double-in-penn-state-case-110811)
After practice today, there was also 500-1000 students outside of Paterno's house and cheering for him until police threatened to issue tickets an hour or so later.
http://boston.barstoolsports.com/random-thoughts/more-breaking-jopa-footage/ (http://boston.barstoolsports.com/random-thoughts/more-breaking-jopa-footage/)
Quote from: capt. scotty on Nov 08, 2011, 09:22 PM
Philly's Fox station is now reporting the victims have more than doubled and its approaching 20. Id guess the actual amount of kids this sleazebag corrupted is closer to 100 considering the length of time, but who knows how many people come forward.
http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/sports/local_sports/exclusive:-victims-double-in-penn-state-case-110811 (http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/sports/local_sports/exclusive:-victims-double-in-penn-state-case-110811)
After practice today, there was also 500-1000 students outside of Paterno's house and cheering for him until police threatened to issue tickets an hour or so later.
http://boston.barstoolsports.com/random-thoughts/more-breaking-jopa-footage/ (http://boston.barstoolsports.com/random-thoughts/more-breaking-jopa-footage/)
i got teary eyed watching that video of him outside his house...i probably shouldn't have..
Quote from: Penny Lane on Nov 08, 2011, 11:24 PM
Quote from: capt. scotty on Nov 08, 2011, 09:22 PM
Philly's Fox station is now reporting the victims have more than doubled and its approaching 20. Id guess the actual amount of kids this sleazebag corrupted is closer to 100 considering the length of time, but who knows how many people come forward.
http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/sports/local_sports/exclusive:-victims-double-in-penn-state-case-110811 (http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/sports/local_sports/exclusive:-victims-double-in-penn-state-case-110811)
After practice today, there was also 500-1000 students outside of Paterno's house and cheering for him until police threatened to issue tickets an hour or so later.
http://boston.barstoolsports.com/random-thoughts/more-breaking-jopa-footage/ (http://boston.barstoolsports.com/random-thoughts/more-breaking-jopa-footage/)
i got teary eyed watching that video of him outside his house...i probably shouldn't have..
This whole situation is getting crazier not only by the day, but the hour.
My freshman dorms were literally like a 5-10 minute walk from Paterno's house...We had many a smoke session walking thru his neighborhood my freshman year, and a couple times JoePa was even outside when we walked by and I gave the old "hoo-rah, Joe Pa". Seeing that crowd brings back memories of that, yet at the same time, its hard to see so much support for Paterno considering how he morally is still very much in question here.
Im having great memories interluded by astonishment right now.
Latest news is that there are thousands of people outside of the stadium around Joe's statue chanting in favor of Paterno. Earlier, a large crowd was outside of the presidents office on campus, rotating thru chants of: "Hell No, Joe Wont Go", "Fire, Spanier", and "Fuck Sandusky"..I think the students are supporting the school/football, but in this case undermining the worst part of why this scandal is so huge. At the same time, if I was still a student at PSU, I would almost undoubtedly be right there as well just because that is part of the college experience and riot/march/chant or whatever experiences dont exactly happen often. I cant blame them, eventhough the reasoning is cloudy to say the least.
Im also hearing now that the board of trustees will let Paterno coach the rest of the year, and former PA governor and the first director of homeland security, Tom Ridge, is being considered as the new president for Penn State. Very suprised, on both levels.
Sorry for all the updates, but this has gathered nearly all my attention the last few days and Ive been the only person trying to talk actual NCAA football anyway.
I'd heard CNN announced he'll coach through the end of the season.
Going to be weird on Saturday...
this is a pretty cool story:
Tennessee grabs last-second kicker off his frat house couch
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Tennessee-grabs-last-second-kicker-off-his-frat-?urn=ncaaf-wp9443 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Tennessee-grabs-last-second-kicker-off-his-frat-?urn=ncaaf-wp9443)
Tom Ridge? Seriously? Ugh.
Not surprised that Joe will retire. His contract was up, and he's burned through a lot of good will with the board since they tried to push him out a few years back.
As weird as Saturday is going to be, I can't imagine how hard it would be for the players if they happened to be playing at Nebraska.
Regarding people congregating outside Paterno's house, I'm a little surprised there isn't a mob outside Sandusky's house with axes, guns, pitchforks, torches, etc. Street justice must be more prevalent here in the city rather than out there in Centre County.
Quote from: YouAre_GivenToFly on Nov 09, 2011, 11:59 AM
Regarding people congregating outside Paterno's house, I'm a little surprised there isn't a mob outside Sandusky's house with axes, guns, pitchforks, torches, etc. Street justice must be more prevalent here in the city rather than out there in Centre County.
I think some of you city boys should make a road trip, serve Sandusky up some Philly street justice. Fucker's out on bail - go get him. :thumbsup:
Quote from: bbill on Nov 09, 2011, 01:11 PM
Quote from: YouAre_GivenToFly on Nov 09, 2011, 11:59 AM
Regarding people congregating outside Paterno's house, I'm a little surprised there isn't a mob outside Sandusky's house with axes, guns, pitchforks, torches, etc. Street justice must be more prevalent here in the city rather than out there in Centre County.
I think some of you city boys should make a road trip, serve Sandusky up some Philly street justice. Fucker's out on bail - go get him. :thumbsup:
A few years ago a 12 year old girl got raped in an alley. The guy was caught on survelliance tape which was publicized, and was recognized in the neighborhood. A few days later someone pointed him out on the street, and within seconds there were at least a dozen people holding him down and beating him. He got beat pretty badly, and it was caught on tape as well, but no charges were ever pressed against any of the "arresting citizens". The system works.
The timeline of this thing is the most troubling aspect for Paterno. Think about this. Sandusky is his #1 assistant, largely responsible for "Linebacker U", architect of 2 national championship defenses, and viewed as the heir apparent. In 1991 University of Maryland comes calling and wants to interview Sandusky for the head job - he declines the interview to stay on at Penn State and waits to ascend to his dream job.
Well, now its 1997 and it is now becoming apparent that Paterno is never going to leave Penn State and the Maryland job opens up again. Sandusky actively pursues the job - pretty natural fit; same recruiting area, Paterno's name will carry weight in recruiting, etc. Maryland goes in a different direction.
1998 - Sandusky gets busted showering with a boy, admits to it, and somehow criminal charges are not brought. 1999 - Sandusky retires at age 55.
Something happened here. A guy who is actively pursuing head jobs one year up and retires the next at age 55?! Really? Are you going to tell me that this didn't strike Paterno as at least a little odd? Or, even worse, are you going to really have me believe that Paterno didn't know about the 1998 incident?
And that pep rally last night? Come on Joe. "The victims, or whatever they want to say..." Go now.
Quote from: bowl of soup on Nov 09, 2011, 02:51 PM
The timeline of this thing is the most troubling aspect for Paterno. Think about this. Sandusky is his #1 assistant, largely responsible for "Linebacker U", architect of 2 national championship defenses, and viewed as the heir apparent. In 1991 University of Maryland comes calling and wants to interview Sandusky for the head job - he declines the interview to stay on at Penn State and waits to ascend to his dream job.
Well, now its 1997 and it is now becoming apparent that Paterno is never going to leave Penn State and the Maryland job opens up again. Sandusky actively pursues the job - pretty natural fit; same recruiting area, Paterno's name will carry weight in recruiting, etc. Maryland goes in a different direction.
1998 - Sandusky gets busted showering with a boy, admits to it, and somehow criminal charges are not brought. 1999 - Sandusky retires at age 55.
Something happened here. A guy who is actively pursuing head jobs one year up and retires the next at age 55?! Really? Are you going to tell me that this didn't strike Paterno as at least a little odd? Or, even worse, are you going to really have me believe that Paterno didn't know about the 1998 incident?
And that pep rally last night? Come on Joe. "The victims, or whatever they want to say..." Go now.
Broken down like a true attorney ;) All this is unnecessary. With power and prestige comes the devaluation of any and all things around them (beneath them). Joe Pa knew. Oh how empty his statement today sounds. Oh really?! You regret it now?! Out now. I'm sorry PSU'ers. Everyone will be served by this ending now and starting anew. Joe Pa's just lucky he's done enough for his "community" to avoid worse. All it tells me is that all his civic work until now was for him, not for the "beneficiaries."
Quote from: YouAre_GivenToFly on Nov 09, 2011, 11:59 AM
As weird as Saturday is going to be, I can't imagine how hard it would be for the players if they happened to be playing at Nebraska.
Regarding people congregating outside Paterno's house, I'm a little surprised there isn't a mob outside Sandusky's house with axes, guns, pitchforks, torches, etc. Street justice must be more prevalent here in the city rather than out there in Centre County.
Its good that this week's game is home, but the next 2 arent. I still think there is chance he doesnt coach this week, but I heard that Spanier (now fired apparently) is the one who leaked to the NY Times that the trustees were working on JoePa's exit. If he claimed that falsely, he probably will coach the rest of the year.
Good point, never thought of that and it is surprising there arent protesters outside of Sandusky's house. Im actually surprised they let him go out on bail. If thats me, this doesnt go to trial because shoot myself before that happens.
I'll carry your timeline forward to today, BoS. JoePa went to his superiors with the rape in 2002. We're not sure who was told or promised what at that point, but no criminal charges were brought against Sandusky. His keys to the PSU locker room were taken from him, he was prohibited from bringing kids to the PSU campus and he was reported to the Second Mile director, though he continued to be able to operate his camps at a PSU satellite campus. Another victim (who first met Sandusky at his camp) came forward in early 2008 and the current criminal investigation began. That was almost four years ago. Paterno testified to the Grand Jury about a year ago, and only now, one fuckin' week after he passes Eddie Robinson as the all-time wins leader are the findings released to the public and people calling for his job.
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Quote from: capt. scotty on Nov 09, 2011, 04:03 PM
Quote from: YouAre_GivenToFly on Nov 09, 2011, 11:59 AM
As weird as Saturday is going to be, I can't imagine how hard it would be for the players if they happened to be playing at Nebraska.
Regarding people congregating outside Paterno's house, I'm a little surprised there isn't a mob outside Sandusky's house with axes, guns, pitchforks, torches, etc. Street justice must be more prevalent here in the city rather than out there in Centre County.
Its good that this week's game is home, but the next 2 arent. I still think there is chance he doesnt coach this week, but I heard that Spanier (now fired apparently) is the one who leaked to the NY Times that the trustees were working on JoePa's exit. If he claimed that falsely, he probably will coach the rest of the year.
Good point, never thought of that and it is surprising there arent protesters outside of Sandusky's house. Im actually surprised they let him go out on bail. If thats me, this doesnt go to trial because shoot myself before that happens.
If I were in Sandusky's shoes I'd definitely be planning my own end. One can only hope that he isn't sleeping nights knowing the living hell that is awaiting him in one of the fine institutions of the PA Dept of Corrections.
I'm sorry, but those protesting in support of JoePa look flat out foolish. What are they supporting anyway? We're talking about a man who apparently thought nothing of the fact that no investigation into the alleged actions of Sandusky and a 10 year old boy in a shower as reported to him by then GA McQueary back in 2002. How can any person with a conscience NOT inquire what happened with Sandusky and why he was still even permitted on campus??? He had a moral obligation to follow up on what McQueary saw in the shower and he chose to look the other way. I just don't see how you could rally around that??? Especially knowing how many countless lives were ruined AFTER 2002 because nothing was done to remove a known sexual predator off the streets?!
And I really don't think Paterno gets it either. Either he's too old and senile to actually comprehend the severity of his actions or he's too arrogant and is ego is too big to truly get it. In either case, he needs to be removed immediately. His little statement regarding his retirement at the end of the season makes me think it has more to do with the later including this little gem:
Quote from: Joe PaternoAt this moment the Board of Trustees should not spend a single minute discussing my status. They have far more important matters to address. I want to make this as easy for them as I possibly can.
Really? Isn't that rich of you JoePa. Nice to know you are looking out for the board in recommending that they focus their priorities elsewhere and that they don't have to worry about dealing with your future as head coach at Penn State??? ::) That statement just SCREAMS arrogance. Almost an, "I dare you to freaking fire me" sort of tone to it. And what's sad is that if the BOT actually has the stones to do the right thing for the first time since this whole scandal started to snowball back in 2002 (or even back to 1998), they are the ones that are going to be burned at the stake by the mobs supporting JoePa while JoePa, who is a true villain in this whole scandal, will be carried off into the sunset as the fallen hero?! Penn State fans really need to think about the TRUE victims in this whole ordeal and that is the children whose lives have been ruined as a result of the non-actions of a few who felt better about burying the despicable behavior of one sick human being!
Oh yeah, Stanford/Oregon should be a hot one. Been looking forward to it all season.
Back to the trial...
Quote from: YouAre_GivenToFly on Nov 09, 2011, 04:26 PM
Quote from: capt. scotty on Nov 09, 2011, 04:03 PM
Quote from: YouAre_GivenToFly on Nov 09, 2011, 11:59 AM
As weird as Saturday is going to be, I can't imagine how hard it would be for the players if they happened to be playing at Nebraska.
Regarding people congregating outside Paterno's house, I'm a little surprised there isn't a mob outside Sandusky's house with axes, guns, pitchforks, torches, etc. Street justice must be more prevalent here in the city rather than out there in Centre County.
Its good that this week's game is home, but the next 2 arent. I still think there is chance he doesnt coach this week, but I heard that Spanier (now fired apparently) is the one who leaked to the NY Times that the trustees were working on JoePa's exit. If he claimed that falsely, he probably will coach the rest of the year.
Good point, never thought of that and it is surprising there arent protesters outside of Sandusky's house. Im actually surprised they let him go out on bail. If thats me, this doesnt go to trial because shoot myself before that happens.
If I were in Sandusky's shoes I'd definitely be planning my own end. One can only hope that he isn't sleeping nights knowing the living hell that is awaiting him in one of the fine institutions of the PA Dept of Corrections.
I am sure there is a level of narcissism here to A) carry something like this out B) not think there will be consequences. Most of these people have a sense of entitlement and lack of empathy that we cannot relate to.
Quote from: bbill on Nov 09, 2011, 04:37 PM
Oh yeah, Stanford/Oregon should be a hot one. Been looking forward to it all season.
Back to the trial...
Yep. That should be a dandy. Oregon hasn't really played anyone substantial since LSU drubbed them in week one and Stanford has been even less tested than Oregon as their win at USC is their only, what I would consider, tough test of the season.
I really hope Stanford wins because this is their last real hurdle in their bid to make a case for playing in the BCS Championship game. It will also make it a LOT harder for anyone to justify a rematch with LSU/Alabama wth an undefeated Stanford still out there.
PSU Board of Trustees just has a presser. President Spanier and Paterno are out, effective immediately. I kind of wanted Paterno to finish out the year, but in the grand scheme of things they definitely made the right call.
DC Tom Bradley is the interim head coach, and I hope he has success. Football wise, I think its better for the team to have the shroud of Paterno and the media dark cloud surrounding the team for the rest of the year. If PSU cant get Urban Meyer anymore because of this, I think Id rather actually keep Bradley as HC and see what he can do. Im not sold a Golden, Schiano, or Ferentz would be any more successful than him.
Also, there's already riots in the streets of State College tonight within an hour of the presser.
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Quote from: capt. scotty on Nov 10, 2011, 12:31 AM
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There are days that I really miss being in college.... then I am reminded of the idiots that resided there.
This whole PSU thing reminds me of how sports in our nation is a metaphor to so many greater, more important things. I remember Kellen Winslow Jr. taking heat when he said he was "going to war" and he's a "soldier" which is ludicrous considering how many young men and women are actually GOING TO WAR and making a fraction of the $$. I think of bravery and how these men at PSU had a chance to do something very brave and bold, something that would have really tested their courage and faith (not letting it slide that a 10 year old was being raped in a shower) and chose not to. We get so lost in these "actions of bravery" on the football field (you know, going for it on 4th and 2 on your own side of the 50) and we have these atheletes and coaches on such high pedestals that our perspective is skewed to the point that some feel the need to take to the streets and support someone who basically turned away when he knew a child had been sexually abused.
The question I have heard over and over again that rings true for me is: If that 10 year old boy had been one of those men's son or nephew, would they feel like they did enough?
I am hopeful that this whole thing dies down and attention is given back to the victims and that the good people of Penn. State can begin to heal.
Sports IS a metaphor for the greater world. For all of recorded history, mankind has exhibited a need to be in conflict with another, to unite against a common enemy and create distinct groups to which you do or do not belong to. As we've become more civilized, team sport has helped to fulfill those basic human needs in a less violent or culturally offensive manner. Whether it be warring nation states (Olympics) fostering patriotism all the way down to middle school basketball where parents befriend each other while detesting their cross school district rival, each level fosters human interaction and community building. For that we should be thankful of sport and not undermine its stranglehold on pop culture. What else brings millions and millions of Americans together yearly to talk freely to strangers in public places? Nothing.
Unfortunately, the PSU situation has become a perfect example of sports' power in its most despicable form. College football and its participating entities, with all the money that comes with it and its value to its community, has become no different than any power hungry dictator or the dirtiest of corporations. In my elementary school, my band teacher was fired for inappropriate sexual contact with more than one student. I don't think there was arrogance and sense of bloated self worth that stood as an immoral barrier to making the correct decision immediately. He was fired!
I got into a disagreement with my girlfriend while arguing for the same side. She is a white collar professional who unapologetically empathized with the inevitable pressures of powerful positions in America, whether it be a public agency head, corporate CEO or head coach. This is the moral failing in the grander scheme of things that makes me fear the direction we are heading in. She did not condone PSU's behavior but said she understood it. I, as someone who has worked individually with abused children (not that my experience should matter at all!), do not understand it nor will I ever. The moment we say we could see why, our moral starting point has shifted 180 degrees to an unjustifiable place. This is not an issue of 10 must die so that 1000 may live. This is 3 rich assholes (plus others) don't have the balls to diminish their own glory so that 20 more boys don't get raped. No, I don't understand it.
As for those marching for Paterno, they are a bunch of fucking idiots who in hindsight will see how pathetically insensitive and self serving their actions were/are.
I'm not sure that attention should go back to the victims. What does that mean? The sad inevitability of this is the great likelihood of money grubbers jumping in on what will likely be a larger number of huge lawsuits. I imagine the dirty tort attorneys calling up former 2nd Mile members to concoct stories for their on financial gain :-\
yeah someone asked this morning, how can there be kids out there marching in the streets right now? ..the only answer i had is that they're 18. ..most PSU fans i know agree with this and called for a clean sweep, the quicker the better..
Quote from: Penny Lane on Nov 10, 2011, 09:15 AM
yeah someone asked this morning, how can there be kids out there marching in the streets right now? ..the only answer i had is that they're 18. ..most PSU fans i know agree with this and called for a clean sweep, the quicker the better..
And that's exactly it. PSU has botched this at every level all the way until now. That those in power did not see with clear eyes that this was one situation where immediate, convincing action had to be taken only illuminates their deluded minds. Some things can't be spun
Quote from: Ruckus on Nov 10, 2011, 09:12 AM
I'm not sure that attention should go back to the victims. What does that mean?
Spiritually speaking. It's quite a somber and numbing situation for me (and quite horrifying thinking what these kids must have gone through). I feel when the attention is back on the victims we'll begin again (for the millionth time) the dicussion on how to keep our children safe; what/how do you report abuse; how can you be courageous. Probably less taking to the street and turning over vans to focused dialogue and healing.
Most of the attention is on the PSU heads, not the abused children. I have stopped watching ESPN and listening to sports radio. I'm even hesitant to post here, but this is a commmunity to me.
It's all very sad.
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Nov 10, 2011, 09:25 AM
Quote from: Ruckus on Nov 10, 2011, 09:12 AM
I'm not sure that attention should go back to the victims. What does that mean?
Spiritually speaking. It's quite a somber and numbing situation for me (and quite horrifying thinking what these kids must have gone through). I feel when the attention is back on the victims we'll begin again (for the millionth time) the dicussion on how to keep our children safe; what/how do you report abuse; how can you be courageous. Probably less taking to the street and turning over vans to focused dialogue and healing.
Most of the attention is on the PSU heads, not the abused children. I have stopped watching ESPN and listening to sports radio. I'm even hesitant to post here, but this is a commmunity to me.
It's all very sad.
Totally agree Tracy. When you filter out the talking heads and incessant chatter, the silver lining is that the high ups will be held accountable. The ignominy faced by those surrounding Sandusky will hopefully act as a deterrent in the future. As with famous athletes in the past, from Magic Johnson and HIV to Vick and dog fighting, this press coverage hopefully with have a positive impact in the long run.
On an aside, there is this:
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2011-11-09/sports/bal-sportsblitz-gerry-sandusky-and-jerry-sandusky1109_1_gerry-sandusky-abuse-scandal-jerry-sandusky (http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2011-11-09/sports/bal-sportsblitz-gerry-sandusky-and-jerry-sandusky1109_1_gerry-sandusky-abuse-scandal-jerry-sandusky)
Quote from: Ruckus on Nov 10, 2011, 09:34 AM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Nov 10, 2011, 09:25 AM
Quote from: Ruckus on Nov 10, 2011, 09:12 AM
I'm not sure that attention should go back to the victims. What does that mean?
Spiritually speaking. It's quite a somber and numbing situation for me (and quite horrifying thinking what these kids must have gone through). I feel when the attention is back on the victims we'll begin again (for the millionth time) the dicussion on how to keep our children safe; what/how do you report abuse; how can you be courageous. Probably less taking to the street and turning over vans to focused dialogue and healing.
Most of the attention is on the PSU heads, not the abused children. I have stopped watching ESPN and listening to sports radio. I'm even hesitant to post here, but this is a commmunity to me.
It's all very sad.
Totally agree Tracy. When you filter out the talking heads and incessant chatter, the silver lining is that the high ups will be held accountable. The ignominy faced by those surrounding Sandusky will hopefully act as a deterrent in the future. As with famous athletes in the past, from Magic Johnson and HIV to Vick and dog fighting, this press coverage hopefully with have a positive impact in the long run.
On an aside, there is this:
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2011-11-09/sports/bal-sportsblitz-gerry-sandusky-and-jerry-sandusky1109_1_gerry-sandusky-abuse-scandal-jerry-sandusky (http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2011-11-09/sports/bal-sportsblitz-gerry-sandusky-and-jerry-sandusky1109_1_gerry-sandusky-abuse-scandal-jerry-sandusky)
This is all so bizarre and heartbreaking. I'm torn on Paterno... What if (and I'm just saying what if) he reported this to his chain of command like he did. Then his higher ups reported to the police and an investigation started. That much is all factual, right? At that point we don't know what happened with JoePa and Sandusky's relationship. Joe could have confronted him on his own and said whatever he needed to say, but as far as he knows there is a criminal investigation that Joe is no part of. So as far as he knows this is playing itself out the way it should and Joe lets the authorities do their job. Then, in 2005 the lead prosecutor goes missing under some pretty bizarre circumstances. I guess at that point the whole thing kind of goes away and maybe he could have/should have done more. This is all just theory but there is just so much we don't and probably never will know. I'm not defending JoePa by any means, I'm just saying there is so much more to it.
Like Tracy said, It's all very sad.
PS-This topic deserves its own thread so it doesn't get lost in the shuffle with other football news and vice versa. This will be going on for a while. Anyone care to start a new one???
You are confusing 1998 and 2002. The 98 incident led to the police investigation and the controlled phone call where Sandusky admitted to showering with a child. He wasn't charged and the DA who made that call has gone missing and been declared dead. We don't know if Paterno knew about this, even though I find it hard to believe that he didn't. If he did, he's in even hotter water and even less of a man.
The 02 incident was where the GA walked in on Sandusky raping (and can we please stop calling this something other than rape to make ourselves feel good) a 10 year-old. The GA calls Daddy and then tells Paterno the next day. Paterno advises the AD and it is swept under the rug with no police involvement. Sandusky's punishment is to be told to stop bring boys to PSU to rape them. Apparently he does not follow his punishment.
^That goes back to Soup's timeline. Joe Pa had to know beforehand and even after 99'.....
EDIT: Disregard
Quote from: bowl of soup on Nov 10, 2011, 09:59 AM
We don't know if Paterno knew about this, even though I find it hard to believe that he didn't. If he did, he's in even hotter water and even less of a man.
To be clear, I agree 100% with this. There are just so many unknowns I wish we knew.
Quote from: bowl of soup on Nov 10, 2011, 09:59 AM
Sandusky's punishment is to be told to stop bring boys to PSU to rape them. Apparently he does not follow his punishment.
Basically, the only action PSU took back in 2002 was to tell Sandusky to take his raping of children elsewhere. Just don't do it on our campus anymore... ::)
Tracy, I totally agree with your last post too. Hopefully, this whole tragic scandal will be used to better our understanding of how prevalent sexual abuse of minors actually is in our society and how prevalent not reporting sexual abuse really is.
Quote from: Jon T. on Nov 10, 2011, 10:35 AM
Quote from: bowl of soup on Nov 10, 2011, 09:59 AM
We don't know if Paterno knew about this, even though I find it hard to believe that he didn't. If he did, he's in even hotter water and even less of a man.
To be clear, I agree 100% with this. There are just so many unknowns I wish we knew.
It's pretty hard for me to believe, after reading that Grand Jury report, that JoePa couldn't have done more to prevent this monster from continuing his predatory ways for nearly 10 more years after that 2002 incident went down...
I cant believe McQueary is going to be on the sidelines on saturday. I figured they didnt mention him at the BOT presser last night because it was smaller news, relatively, and because they were just going to have the new AD boot him instead of putting that on the trustees hands. Essentially everyone is gone at PSU that was involved with this, except the guy who was the actual eyewitness of rape and considering he had the least ties/power related to the school, maybe the most likely of all cover up participants to actually go to the police. Ridiculous if he coaches on saturday as well as if he actually survives this scandal and remains on the staff
I'm not eloquent enough to put into words just how sick this whole thing has made me feel, and it seems to be getting worse....
http://blogs.ajc.com/news-to-me/2011/11/10/can-penn-state-scandal-get-even-worse/ (http://blogs.ajc.com/news-to-me/2011/11/10/can-penn-state-scandal-get-even-worse/)
QuoteRumors are being investigated that Sandusky and Second Mile, a non-profit Sandusky founded in 1977 to help children, was pimping young boys to wealthy donors.
Quote from: YouAre_GivenToFly on Nov 10, 2011, 01:46 PM
I'm not eloquent enough to put into words just how sick this whole thing has made me feel, and it seems to be getting worse....
http://blogs.ajc.com/news-to-me/2011/11/10/can-penn-state-scandal-get-even-worse/ (http://blogs.ajc.com/news-to-me/2011/11/10/can-penn-state-scandal-get-even-worse/)
QuoteRumors are being investigated that Sandusky and Second Mile, a non-profit Sandusky founded in 1977 to help children, was pimping young boys to wealthy donors.
I heard last night that there were rumors this would get even more troubling....maybe this is it. Jesus.
"You guys have lived for this place. I've lived for people like you guys and girls. I'm just so happy to see that you feel so strongly about us and about our school. And as I said, I don't know if you heard me or not, is, you know, the kids who were victims or whatever they want to say, I think we all ought to say a prayer for them. It's a tough life when people do certain things to you. But anyway, you've been great. Everything's great, all right."
Joe Pa's comment last night to the crowd outside his house.
It amazes me that the guy that actually saw Sandusky raping the child in the showers is still on the PSU staff.
Quote from: ophidiophobia on Nov 10, 2011, 03:26 PM
"You guys have lived for this place. I've lived for people like you guys and girls. I'm just so happy to see that you feel so strongly about us and about our school. And as I said, I don't know if you heard me or not, is, you know, the kids who were victims or whatever they want to say, I think we all ought to say a prayer for them. It's a tough life when people do certain things to you. But anyway, you've been great. Everything's great, all right."
Joe Pa's comment last night to the crowd outside his house.
It amazes me that the guy that actually saw Sandusky raping the child in the showers is still on the PSU staff.
I really need to stay out of this because I'm making myself sound like a Paterno sympathizer, which I a not. BUT, those comments were taken out of context. He slipped when he said "victims" and just kind of fumbled over his recovery of it. HOWEVER, right after that, he started what can only be described as a pep rally, shouting (or attempting to shout) "WE ARE... WE ARE.. WE ALWAYS WILL BE..." That was so bizarre and only further proved how out of touch with this situation he is.
Quote from: Jon T. on Nov 10, 2011, 03:46 PM
Quote from: ophidiophobia on Nov 10, 2011, 03:26 PM
"You guys have lived for this place. I've lived for people like you guys and girls. I'm just so happy to see that you feel so strongly about us and about our school. And as I said, I don't know if you heard me or not, is, you know, the kids who were victims or whatever they want to say, I think we all ought to say a prayer for them. It's a tough life when people do certain things to you. But anyway, you've been great. Everything's great, all right."
Joe Pa's comment last night to the crowd outside his house.
It amazes me that the guy that actually saw Sandusky raping the child in the showers is still on the PSU staff.
I really need to stay out of this because I'm making myself sound like a Paterno sympathizer, which I a not. BUT, those comments were taken out of context. He slipped when he said "victims" and just kind of fumbled over his recovery of it. HOWEVER, right after that, he started what can only be described as a pep rally, shouting (or attempting to shout) "WE ARE... WE ARE.. WE ALWAYS WILL BE..." That was so bizarre and only further proved how out of touch with this situation he is.
Agree with everything here. The guy is 84 yrs old, he isnt going to put together the best sentences in an improptu interview. I dont think Paterno even realizes how big of a deal this whole scandal is.
They are all complaisant in the disgusting affair. They all should be severely punished. I don't give a shit that Paterno is 84. That is a bullshit excuse. He new what was going on. I'm sorry, I find out or I walk in on this disgustoid in human form raping a 10 year old (or anyone for that matter). I'm not going to leave and tell a school admin. I'm going to probably kill the motherfucker and get the police there IMMEDIATLY. Fuck these horrible people. I hope they all burn in hell. I do not tolerate shit like this. At all.
I have no idea why, but I'm torn on the McQuery aspect of this story. He walks in on the monster raping a child in the shower, they see him, and he runs. But not to the police; he runs to his phone and calls his Daddy. Daddy tells him to get the hell out of there and go to Paterno the next day which he does.
We'd all like to think that if placed in that situation we'd do the heroic thing and run to the aid of that child, kick the monster's ass, and hold him until the police came. I think that's what I would do, but I don't know.
Put yourself in his shoes. He played at Penn State and had some form of a relationship with the monster while he was still a revered and respected coach. Dude apparently still had free run of the campus and considerable access at that point - so he's not some random creep, he's a guy you know, probably respect, and here is raping a child right in front of you. You might not respond as honorably as you think you would. You might panic. You might run. You might call your mommy or daddy.
So he recovers the next day and goes to Paterno. There is no higher moral authority in State College, PA in 2002 than Joe Paterno. He reports what he saw to Paterno and has to asume that something will happen.
But then nothing happens and the monster continues to roam the campus until last week. I guess that's where McQuery's failing is. He sees child rape, reports child rape, nothing happens to child rapist. In fact, child rapist continues to parade around campus as if nothing is wrong. He has to come in contact with child rapist, doesn't he?
OK, I guess I've worked through it. While I can somewhat understand McQuery's initial failings. His ten year silence in the face of the monster makes him just as bad as the rest of 'em.
Quote from: bowl of soup on Nov 10, 2011, 10:50 PM
I have no idea why, but I'm torn on the McQuery aspect of this story. He walks in on the monster raping a child in the shower, they see him, and he runs. But not to the police; he runs to his phone and calls his Daddy. Daddy tells him to get the hell out of there and go to Paterno the next day which he does.
We'd all like to think that if placed in that situation we'd do the heroic thing and run to the aid of that child, kick the monster's ass, and hold him until the police came. I think that's what I would do, but I don't know.
Put yourself in his shoes. He played at Penn State and had some form of a relationship with the monster while he was still a revered and respected coach. Dude apparently still had free run of the campus and considerable access at that point - so he's not some random creep, he's a guy you know, probably respect, and here is raping a child right in front of you. You might not respond as honorably as you think you would. You might panic. You might run. You might call your mommy or daddy.
So he recovers the next day and goes to Paterno. There is no higher moral authority in State College, PA in 2002 than Joe Paterno. He reports what he saw to Paterno and has to asume that something will happen.
Bowl, I agree with you 100% on this. I don't know what I would do if i walked in on that. Nobody does, unless you've been in that situation. It's beyond our realm of thinking. I think I would have stopped it right there. But, that's never happened to me. I will say this, my Dad would be one of, if the not the first, persons I would have called. This was a 27-28 year old "kid', working his dream job - working for The Machine. And he's still just a grad asst. at this point. He just walked in on the most horrific thing imaginable and he fucking freaked/panicked. He called his boss, who is bascially "The Boss" of the town to call. Of course he should have stopped it. But hindsight is a luxury us internet posters have. This was real life.
I hate this whole situation. I hurt for the kids that were affected by this - which will be plenty more than actually come forward. I hate that I have to re-evaluate every person I know that I trust my children with. This is the worst imaginable situation that I can think of.
Quote from: bowl of soup on Nov 10, 2011, 10:54 PM
OK, I guess I've worked through it. While I can somewhat understand McQuery's initial failings. His ten year silence in the face of the monster makes him just as bad as the rest of 'em.
Exactly.
What about Sandusky's wife? Is it even remotely possible that she didn't know or at least suspect any of this? No fucking way. She
had to have known.
Don't you get the terrible feeling that we're at the tip of some terrible, terrible iceberg? Dude had 6 adopted children and fostered many more. There's this incredible apathy towards his actions by many people who could have stopped him. He is allowed to remain deeply involved at this charity for troubled youths until just a year or so ago. The D.A. who could have stopped him but didn't in 1998 goes missing in 2005 and his hard drive is found floating in the river too damaged to find out whats on it.
What is happening here?
I know I act like a hardass sometimes, but if if I was some assistant at a major FB program and walked into being an eyewitness on this, Im not so sure I wouldve tried to break up the rape and beat up Sandusky at the moment. I think I wouldve been in such a state of shock, that I wouldnt know what to do and maybe fled the scene.
At this point, I dont think McQueary is in the right because you dont let this go without telling the authorities for a decade, but I cant fault him for what he did that night. Apparently he's getting death threats (which I think is over the line) and wont be coaching saturday. He shouldnt be on the staff at this point, Im not sure what the hold up is.
That story about the DA going missing in 2005 I think is totally unrelated and 1 or 2 journalists are trying to connect dots and get readers. That DA was prosecuting the biggest heroin bust in Pennsylvania history at that time, I think its much more likely connected to that.
This DEFINITELY is gonna get worse before it gets better, or 'tip of the iceberg' as Bowl said.
http://newsok.com/penn-state-tragedy-barry-switzer-says-joe-paterno-had-to-go/article/3621872 (http://newsok.com/penn-state-tragedy-barry-switzer-says-joe-paterno-had-to-go/article/3621872)
Quote from: Jon T. on Nov 11, 2011, 12:05 AM
Quote from: bowl of soup on Nov 10, 2011, 10:54 PM
OK, I guess I've worked through it. While I can somewhat understand McQuery's initial failings. His ten year silence in the face of the monster makes him just as bad as the rest of 'em.
Exactly.
What about Sandusky's wife? Is it even remotely possible that she didn't know or at least suspect any of this? No fucking way. She had to have known.
I'm not so sure she
had to have known. John Wayne Gacy's wives didn't.
Quote from: YouAre_GivenToFly on Nov 11, 2011, 09:21 AM
Quote from: Jon T. on Nov 11, 2011, 12:05 AM
Quote from: bowl of soup on Nov 10, 2011, 10:54 PM
OK, I guess I've worked through it. While I can somewhat understand McQuery's initial failings. His ten year silence in the face of the monster makes him just as bad as the rest of 'em.
Exactly.
What about Sandusky's wife? Is it even remotely possible that she didn't know or at least suspect any of this? No fucking way. She had to have known.
I'm not so sure she had to have known. John Wayne Gacy's wives didn't.
that room he built on the basement for these kids he molested---? i mean when he snuck downstairs at night, she never wondered? he was caught by the wrestling coach, by security guards?
i have no doubt that everyone knew...he used to host this golf tournament years ago and i guess eventually everyone stopped coming...and when they alerted the charity he could no longer bring children on campus (because he was caught showering with them?)...people talk and everyone must have known....
This sickening mess makes the Miami Hurricanes scandal look like a church outing.
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/sports-media-asks-molestation-victims-what-this-me,26609/ (http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/sports-media-asks-molestation-victims-what-this-me,26609/)
Quote from: Penny Lane on Nov 11, 2011, 10:06 AM
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/sports-media-asks-molestation-victims-what-this-me,26609/ (http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/sports-media-asks-molestation-victims-what-this-me,26609/)
brutal satire
and spot on, IMO
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Nov 11, 2011, 10:15 AM
Quote from: Penny Lane on Nov 11, 2011, 10:06 AM
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/sports-media-asks-molestation-victims-what-this-me,26609/ (http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/sports-media-asks-molestation-victims-what-this-me,26609/)
brutal satire
and spot on, IMO
Yep.
Quote from: Penny Lane on Nov 11, 2011, 10:06 AM
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/sports-media-asks-molestation-victims-what-this-me,26609/ (http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/sports-media-asks-molestation-victims-what-this-me,26609/)
I think that the victims have been lost in all this. This article catches everything that is wrong with the whole process. Thanks for the link.
And for your creepy article of the day (check out the date):
http://www.lockhaven.com/page/content.detail/id/506088/A-wealth-of-knowledge.html (http://www.lockhaven.com/page/content.detail/id/506088/A-wealth-of-knowledge.html)
His treadmill budy is head coach on Saturday.
Wow, that sure is a creepy read after the fact.
"he stands for everything that's right in life"
Ducks or Cardinal? I'm going Luck
Quote from: Ruckus on Nov 12, 2011, 10:56 AM
Ducks or Cardinal? I'm going Luck
I hope Oregon wins.
Luck shaved his beard, so..
Quack Quack Quack, Mr. Ducksworth!!!
Quote from: Ruckus on Nov 12, 2011, 10:56 AM
Ducks or Cardinal? I'm going Luck
(http://www.sports-logos-screensavers.com/user/Oregon_Ducks2.jpg)
Absolute ass-whipping going on in Lubbock right now. 42-0. Pokes are looking very deserving of that #2 ranking.
Thank god Boise lost
Go Ducks!
(http://www.freecomputerdesktopwallpaper.com/new_wallpaper/Oregon_Ducks_Football_Logo_freecomputerdesktopwallpaper_1600.jpg)
Quack Attack is right!
We were worried about a LSU/Bama rematch, but unless Okie St beats OU, I want to see a LSU/Oregon rematch
Quote from: capt. scotty on Nov 12, 2011, 11:29 PM
We were worried about a LSU/Bama rematch, but unless Okie St beats OU, I want to see a LSU/Oregon rematch
LSU has to beat Arkansas (Arkansas always plays them tough, even in Baton Rogue) plus Georgia is coming on strong in the SEC titale game. I am hoping for no undefeated teams and BCS chaos.
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Nov 13, 2011, 12:36 AM
Quote from: capt. scotty on Nov 12, 2011, 11:29 PM
We were worried about a LSU/Bama rematch, but unless Okie St beats OU, I want to see a LSU/Oregon rematch
LSU has to beat Arkansas (Arkansas always plays them tough, even in Baton Rogue) plus Georgia is coming on strong in the SEC titale game. I am hoping for no undefeated teams and BCS chaos.
Typically, I'm all for the destruction of the BCS, but I want to see my Cowboys go 12-0 and play in the NC game.
Was Luck's performance underwhelming or what? On to the Barkley Bowl and Losing for Landry
Sandusky's interview by Costas tonight was interesting to say the least
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Heisman and Biletnikoff winnner? I'd like to think so :D :thumbsup:
Quote from: ophidiophobia on Nov 18, 2011, 05:37 PM
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Heisman and Biletnikoff winnner? I'd like to think so :D :thumbsup:
or not
and now what we have all been waiting for:
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Quote from: ophidiophobia on Nov 18, 2011, 05:37 PM
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Heisman and Biletnikoff winnner? I'd like to think so :D :thumbsup:
Jinxy jinx
Lee Corso says "ah, fuck it" on ESPN College Gameday (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bGBrit4EMo#)
Quote from: capt. scotty on Nov 19, 2011, 04:25 PM
Lee Corso says "ah, fuck it" on ESPN College Gameday (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bGBrit4EMo#)
We were watching when he did it. I had to do a double take.
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I RUSHED THE FIELD
Absolute beat down last night! I've been waiting for this day for a long time. Big XII champs sound pretty sweet to me.
Quote from: ophidiophobia on Dec 04, 2011, 11:15 AM
I RUSHED THE FIELD
Absolute beat down last night! I've been waiting for this day for a long time. Big XII champs sound pretty sweet to me.
Hoping the idiots in the BSC do the right thing and have LSU/OSU in the Championship
Quote from: mjk73 on Dec 04, 2011, 11:30 AM
Quote from: ophidiophobia on Dec 04, 2011, 11:15 AM
I RUSHED THE FIELD
Absolute beat down last night! I've been waiting for this day for a long time. Big XII champs sound pretty sweet to me.
Hoping the idiots in the BSC do the right thing and have LSU/OSU in the Championship
I see both sides of the coin on Bama/OSU. However, if you're going to have a BS system, at least have the people playing in the BS National Championship game be a conference champion (OSU). Finishing 2nd in your division shouldn't get you to the National Championship game, IMO.
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Dec 04, 2011, 11:38 AM
Quote from: mjk73 on Dec 04, 2011, 11:30 AM
Quote from: ophidiophobia on Dec 04, 2011, 11:15 AM
I RUSHED THE FIELD
Absolute beat down last night! I've been waiting for this day for a long time. Big XII champs sound pretty sweet to me.
Hoping the idiots in the BSC do the right thing and have LSU/OSU in the Championship
I see both sides of the coin on Bama/OSU. However, if you're going to have a BS system, at least have the people playing in the BS National Championship game be a conference champion (OSU). Finishing 2nd in your division shouldn't get you to the National Championship game, IMO.
Agreed
OSU please please please
Quote from: capt. scotty on Dec 04, 2011, 05:58 PM
OSU please please please
I hope your right. I won't watch the rematch; that shit sucked the first time.
Quote from: ophidiophobia on Dec 04, 2011, 06:12 PM
Quote from: capt. scotty on Dec 04, 2011, 05:58 PM
OSU please please please
I hope your right. I won't watch the rematch; that shit sucked the first time.
For me, low scoring does not = bad game. That was a great game, and I dont mind watching the rematch.
I do think OSU deserved their shot at LSU, but it really is hard to argue when you lose to Iowa St and Bama's only loss is by 3pts to the #1 in OT
I mean, why have Boise State ranked 7th in the final BCS poll and then they get stuck in the fucking Las Vegas Bowl against 6-6 Arizona State on Dec. 22nd? Are they 7th in the nation or not? What the fuck (WTF) are these idiots thinking? What a fucked up system.
And the Sugar Bowl sux ass.
But remember Tracy, a playoff system would be just wrong. Whatever NCCA. This shit is weak. I mean come on. Why the hell is a 6-6 team rewarded with a bowl game? I guess this is why am about to give up on football ('cept the Huskers) and just watch baseball and soccer only.
At least ASU is a .500 team UCLA is 6-7 and playing Illinois, who hasn't won a game since October 8th. I typically don't hate the BCS and everything that goes with it, but it the big scheme of things the only game that matters is more than a month away. Even my Cowboys game is pointless in the big picture. I LOVE college football and this year has seen great games and great upsets to not have a playoff is pointless. There is no way in hell that Butler could of had a chance in basketball if the BCS was running basketball.
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Dec 05, 2011, 12:08 AM
What the fuck (WTF) are these idiots thinking? What a fucked up system.
Yep. MSU got screwed, too!
I generally agree with much of the sentiment above. I think the best that we can do (and I know Tracy won't) is to simply boycott the game. Do our part in lowering the national ratings. Even if Alabama wins, do they really deserve it? Should it have been OSU? Boise destroyed Georgia and its only loss was to a good TCU squad. LSU can still say they split the season and won in Bama as well.
Let's not compare football and basketball. Those are two completely different animals.
As for lesser bowls, the system isn't necessarily made to reward mediocre teams. It's a money making system for the NCAA and the communities that host these events. Often times, the invited teams take a loss. To take a bid to any bowl, most schools must purchase a percentage of tickets to the bowl and pay for the travel. If it's a smaller school or the bowl is very far, the fanbase is unlikely to travel. The school is left to foot the bill to purchase them all and the payout is minimal. They are handcuffed because to attend any bowl is better than none just for reasons of recruiting and exposure.
I refer to my post a page or two back for the system that should be used. It's radical, dumb in the eyes of many and will never happen. BUT, it would be bad ass if something like that happened. It would make college football greater than ever.
Quote from: Ruckus on Dec 05, 2011, 01:34 PM
I generally agree with much of the sentiment above. I think the best that we can do (and I know Tracy won't) is to simply boycott the game. Do our part in lowering the national ratings. Even if Alabama wins, do they really deserve it? Should it have been OSU? Boise destroyed Georgia and its only loss was to a good TCU squad. LSU can still say they split the season and won in Bama as well.
Well, I will definently be "boycotting" the Sugar and Orange Bowls ;D
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Dec 05, 2011, 01:49 PM
Quote from: Ruckus on Dec 05, 2011, 01:34 PM
I generally agree with much of the sentiment above. I think the best that we can do (and I know Tracy won't) is to simply boycott the game. Do our part in lowering the national ratings. Even if Alabama wins, do they really deserve it? Should it have been OSU? Boise destroyed Georgia and its only loss was to a good TCU squad. LSU can still say they split the season and won in Bama as well.
Well, I will definently be "boycotting" the Sugar and Orange Bowls ;D
Don't watch the game Tracy...don't do it. ;D SEC shouldn't get an exemption from your civic engagement. Yeah, I can't believe what happened to Boise. Just a shame.
Also, why is Trent Richardson even in the Heisman conversation? I'm all in for Robert Griffin da IIIrd
LOL GO HOKIES! GET THAT $$$$$$$$$$$$$$. Thanks Case! EDIT: Also thanks corruption.
I always prefered the artistry of Kwan to the sheer athleticism of Lipinski. Lipinski's routine was more frought with danger, but lacked beauty. They had faced off many times before in all major competitions and their showdown at the Olymipics was preordained - the Chinese skater Chen Lu wowed the world with her energetic brand of skating, but she was from China and China lacked the requisite prestige to be considered a major contender at that point. Lu could have landed a quad and her top prize was never going to be more than bronze.
Quote from: Penny Lane on Dec 05, 2011, 10:29 AM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Dec 05, 2011, 12:08 AM
What the fuck (WTF) are these idiots thinking? What a fucked up system.
Yep. MSU got screwed, too!
How did MSU get screwed? Only the Top 14 BCS teams are BCS bowl eligible. MSU is #17. Im assuming you thought they got screwed by Michigan going to the Sugar Bowl, but Michigan is #13 and eligible for a BCS Bowl.
Quote from: Ruckus on Dec 05, 2011, 02:05 PM
Also, why is Trent Richardson even in the Heisman conversation? I'm all in for Robert Griffin da IIIrd
Why shouldnt Trent be in the conversation? The entire Bama offense essentially runs thru him, and if they win the title, no doubt in my mind Trent will be MVP of the game. Im glad Ball was named a finalist, but his hype came way too late and his team isnt as highly ranked as the other 4 guys.
That said, he's #2 for the Heisman for me and if I had a vote, itd would be for Robert Griffin
the Third as well.
Im bummed Baylor not only isnt in a better/more prestigious bowl game or at least playing a better opponent. Theyre #12 and theyre playing 7-5 Washington?!!?
Does ESPN have this wrong, or are there really no bowl games on January 1st?! Why the fuck is "bowl day" Monday, January 2nd?!!?
....if thats correct, Im sure its because of NFL games on Sunday, but all of the NCAA games will be televised on ESPN and ABC anyway, and during a Week 17 NFL nonetheless where many of the best teams will be benching their studs. Do they really think they will get better ratings when many of their viewing audience will be working on Mon, Jan 2nd?!
Quote from: capt. scotty on Dec 05, 2011, 11:32 PM
Does ESPN have this wrong, or are there really no bowl games on January 1st?! Why the fuck is "bowl day" Monday, January 2nd?!!?
....if thats correct, Im sure its because of NFL games on Sunday, but all of the NCAA games will be televised on ESPN and ABC anyway, and during a Week 17 NFL nonetheless where many of the best teams will be benching their studs. Do they really think they will get better ratings when many of their viewing audience will be working on Mon, Jan 2nd?!
Dude, it's contractual as far as I know. It's part of the collusion between the two. They never conflict with each other. Hence no NFL on Saturdays until after conference championship week and no Friday night NFL and no Thursday night college...etc.
If we're gonna choose a running back, I'll take Wisky's back for Heisman over Richardson. Since when is the Heisman about NFL talent eyeball test? Look at the numbers. It should be between Luck and THE 3rd for me.
Quote from: Ruckus on Dec 05, 2011, 11:46 PM
Quote from: capt. scotty on Dec 05, 2011, 11:32 PM
Does ESPN have this wrong, or are there really no bowl games on January 1st?! Why the fuck is "bowl day" Monday, January 2nd?!!?
....if thats correct, Im sure its because of NFL games on Sunday, but all of the NCAA games will be televised on ESPN and ABC anyway, and during a Week 17 NFL nonetheless where many of the best teams will be benching their studs. Do they really think they will get better ratings when many of their viewing audience will be working on Mon, Jan 2nd?!
Dude, it's contractual as far as I know. It's part of the collusion between the two. They never conflict with each other. Hence no NFL on Saturdays until after conference championship week and no Friday night NFL and no Thursday night college...etc.
If we're gonna choose a running back, I'll take Wisky's back for Heisman over Richardson. Since when is the Heisman about NFL talent eyeball test? Look at the numbers. It should be between Luck and THE 3rd for me.
Yeah, Im pretty sure its contractual, but its nuts to not have all those games on Jan 1st, the biggest day since forever in college football besides whatever day the title game is. To a degree I can understand for other weeks what you mentioned being somewhat reasonable, but not Jan 1st if it falls on a sunday. At least it wont be hard for me to request off work Jan 2nd ;D
Montee Ball looks like the Toby Gerhart of this year (BTW, it would be very interesting to see what Stanford wouldve done if they still had Gerhart this year). Got hype late in the year, but despite his numbers, he wont get the Heisman because the team he plays for isnt as notable as the other candidates. Ball has better rushing numbers than Trent, but Trent also faced better defenses week to week, and he was Bama's #2 in receptions, rec yards, and rec TDs (and had more receptions and rec yards than Ball). Also, Im not sure if anyone else is saying this, but my eyes tell me that Wisky's OL is absolutely stacked with pancakin' road graders. Now Im sure Bama's OL is no slouch or anything, but I know at least 2 of Wisky's OL are very high NFL prospects, and their entire OL is 320+. Ive seen each team at least 3 times, and PSU head to head being 1, and Wisky's OL stood out more than Bama's every time. I doubt most Heisman voters even look at that because half of them dont even think about it, but Ball IMO has a much better OL (and more dangerous QB).
Quote from: Penny Lane on Dec 05, 2011, 10:29 AM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Dec 05, 2011, 12:08 AM
What the fuck (WTF) are these idiots thinking? What a fucked up system.
Yep. MSU got screwed, too!
Nah. Screw MooU is how it should be... ;D
Chris Petersen blasts BCS
Chris Petersen blasts BCS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5-F4E9qFss#ws)
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Dec 06, 2011, 03:41 PM
Chris Petersen blasts BCS
Chris Petersen blasts BCS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5-F4E9qFss#ws)
He spoke the truth. Hopefully more coaches will come out and echo Petersen's sentiments and start to put some real pressure on the BcS...
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Dec 07, 2011, 03:36 PM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Dec 06, 2011, 03:41 PM
Chris Petersen blasts BCS
Chris Petersen blasts BCS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5-F4E9qFss#ws)
He spoke the truth. Hopefully more coaches will come out and echo Petersen's sentiments and start to put some real pressure on the BcS...
Me guesses this was the tipping point for Boise now going to the Big East (as its rumored)
RG3 Baby!!!
Quote from: capt. scotty on Dec 11, 2011, 04:00 PM
RG3 Baby!!!
At least they got the Heisman right! No question he was the most deserving of winning!
Man did Luck look like the real deal against OSU
So tonight's game...Common sense tells me way more points in this one and Alabama wins by a touchdown. But I genuinely dislike Nick Satan and my gut tells me to take the 2 points just in case, 20-19 LSU wins.
I've seen LSU play 3x this year and Bama only once in the Arkansas game early. From what I gather, the this is a good matchup for the Tide...just hope it's a good game
man, they got to play this game before the NFL playoffs begin. The 6 week wait and the past weekend NFL schedule has made this a little ho hum.
I wonder what the over/under in Vegas was on the number of times Musburger would say honey badger?
Quote from: Ruckus on Jan 09, 2012, 04:44 PM
So tonight's game...Common sense tells me way more points in this one and Alabama wins by a touchdown. But I genuinely dislike Nick Satan and my gut tells me to take the 2 points just in case, 20-19 LSU wins.
hope you went with your gut
Quote from: Jane on Jan 10, 2012, 07:35 AM
Quote from: Ruckus on Jan 09, 2012, 04:44 PM
So tonight's game...Common sense tells me way more points in this one and Alabama wins by a touchdown. But I genuinely dislike Nick Satan and my gut tells me to take the 2 points just in case, 20-19 LSU wins.
hope you went with your gut
Ugh, that was ugly. I ended up taking LSU. Never bet with your heart, only logic they say.
Clearly Alabama was the better team and I hate to give credit to Nick Saban but he out coached the shit out of Les Myles. The Tigers' D was on their heels the whole game with the multiple formations Bama was showing each play along with throwing the ball the majority of the time on 1st down. McCarron was real good. Meanwhile LSU thought they could just run option because it worked a little bit in the 1st game? Jefferson was useless when the run was stuffed. They were so thoroughly outplayed that it didn't matter but I still would have liked to see Lee take a few snaps just to keep the Bama D honest with the threat of a passing game.
Great D but a snooze of a game. I'm just glad the SEC finally lost in a BCS title game
Quote from: walterfredo on Jan 09, 2012, 11:45 PM
I wonder what the over/under in Vegas was on the number of times Musburger would say honey badger?
I just wish someone would throw that annoying ass clown out of the window in the booth during a game. I cringe everytime I hear his voice.
Quote from: mjk73 on Jan 10, 2012, 09:18 AM
Quote from: walterfredo on Jan 09, 2012, 11:45 PM
I wonder what the over/under in Vegas was on the number of times Musburger would say honey badger?
I just wish someone would throw that annoying ass clown out of the window in the booth during a game. I cringe everytime I hear his voice.
He did manage this little nugget, "pass underneath to Smelley, well sniffed out by Mcllwain". So he's got that.
Not a big Musberger fan here, but I did like it when Honey Badger got beat on a deep out and he said, "Honey Badger better care". I know it was probably written for him, but it was still good.
You know I'm a huge SEC fan, but that game last night sucked goat ass. Watching LSU on offense was like watching Ole Miss on offense: mistake filled and unimaginative (but we at least score at some point).
The BCS idiots meet today; maybe we'll get a +1 next year. I'd love to see Bama and Ok. State next week (or would they wait 6 more weeks and play it in March?)
RIP JoePa. Wow.