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Anyhow, I won't write much about him here, I just ask you to read about him.
Im Swedish, but I've heard & read that in the last presidential election Paul was censored a lot in the mainstream media, which is clearly strange.. so I decided to read more about him ~
Brief Overview of Congressman Paul's Record:
* He has never voted to raise taxes.
* He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
* He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
* He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
* He has never taken a government-paid junket.
* He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.
* He voted against the Patriot Act.
* He voted against regulating the Internet.
* He voted against the Iraq war.
* He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
* He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. -treasury every year.
Here is some links which gives you a bigger perspective of him & what he stands for;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_legislation_sponsored_by_Ron_Paul (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_legislation_sponsored_by_Ron_Paul)
http://www.ronpaul.com/who-is-ron-paul/ (http://www.ronpaul.com/who-is-ron-paul/)
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul (http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul)
Ron Paul debate question BANNED from Fox News
Ron Paul debate question BANNED from Fox News (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54WFoV-veCM#)
Ron Paul: I'm Running for President!
Ron Paul: I'm Running for President! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg-z6vClMhQ#)
Ron Paul on with George Stephanopoulos [Warning you might get angry on the interviewer in the end]
Ron Paul on with George Stephanopoulos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COsQgwBsMjA#)
short version:
George Stephanopoulos Talks with Ron Paul (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMUScSQagvQ#)
Ron Paul: A New Hope
Ron Paul: A New Hope (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG2PUZoukfA#)
If you think he might be worth giving your vote, at leat read about him, and make sure to vote in the next election.
Tell your friends & family to read about him & maybe just not follow the main stream media which will censure him in the upcoming election as well, eventually the media might give him more space.
Thanks for reading!
EDIT:
STOP POLICING THE WORLD! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKfuS6gfxPY#ws)
he's not worth voting for. he's unelectable. plus, he wants to dissolve the fed and change our currency to silver and gold. he's a smart man but way too out there to ever be president. when he loses the primaries he'll probably run as an independent and siphon votes from the dems. we shall see tho.
It may be very hard if not impossible to get an independent into our broken bipartisan system but he will still get my vote
Quote from: Sticky Icky Green Stuff on Jul 06, 2011, 05:10 PM
he's not worth voting for. he's unelectable. plus, he wants to dissolve the fed and change our currency to silver and gold. he's a smart man but way too out there to ever be president. when he loses the primaries he'll probably run as an independent and siphon votes from the dems. we shall see tho.
as an independent, he'll siphon votes from the republicans. He's a conservative and libertarian, hardly a dems wet dream
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jul 10, 2011, 09:39 PM
Quote from: Sticky Icky Green Stuff on Jul 06, 2011, 05:10 PM
he's not worth voting for. he's unelectable. plus, he wants to dissolve the fed and change our currency to silver and gold. he's a smart man but way too out there to ever be president. when he loses the primaries he'll probably run as an independent and siphon votes from the dems. we shall see tho.
as an independent, he'll siphon votes from the republicans. He's a conservative and libertarian, hardly a dems wet dream
but his aim has never been at the democratic base. ever. he's not even trying to score points with the republican base, merely using the debates as a platform. you're right that he'll siphon some repub votes away but there are so many college kids these days that are into ron paul. the radical liberals who want to want the system completely gutted. he has that same obama internet presence and raises ridiculous amounts of money fast. he'd have a chance if he could get the nomination and it was up to the general public I think but other than that he's basically Ralph Nader 2.0. similarly Nader split the votes giving bush a slight opening against Gore if you ask me.
I used to think right now we need a 3 party system but then I realized if that happened it'd probably end up being moderate democrats, conservative republicans, and tea baggers.
I'm sick of all the god shit too. I want some openly agnostic or atheist representatives. this christian bs drives me nuts. Dems seem to coast on religion far less than conservatives. so for now the only real choice seems to be democrat, unless you're rich. but the god topic is another issue that makes Ron Paul appealing to liberals, drugs is another thing. he can appeal to both sides if he wants to easily, which is what I think gives him so much momentum. plus, he's a really good talker regardless of his nutty policy ideas.
Quote from: Sticky Icky Green Stuff on Jul 10, 2011, 10:39 PM
I'm sick of all the god shit too.
god is the biggest corporation in America, no way either party abandons that.
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jul 10, 2011, 10:46 PM
Quote from: Sticky Icky Green Stuff on Jul 10, 2011, 10:39 PM
I'm sick of all the god shit too.
god is the biggest corporation in America, no way either party abandons that.
Amen to that
78percent of americans, 78 f'ing percent believe we're being ruled by a monotheistic super king in the sky that once came to earth as a dude named jesus.
Quote from: Sticky Icky Green Stuff on Jul 10, 2011, 11:05 PM
78percent of americans, 78 f'ing percent believe we're being ruled by a monotheistic super king in the sky that once came to earth as a dude named jesus.
...and in spite of believing this, they choose to ignore about 90% of the guidance in the bible. I mean, if I really thought that my soul would roast in hell for eternity, I think I'd put a bit of effort into following the basics - do unto others etc etc.
Quote from: MarkW on Jul 11, 2011, 12:54 PM
Quote from: Sticky Icky Green Stuff on Jul 10, 2011, 11:05 PM
78percent of americans, 78 f'ing percent believe we're being ruled by a monotheistic super king in the sky that once came to earth as a dude named jesus.
...and in spite of believing this, they choose to ignore about 90% of the guidance in the bible. I mean, if I really thought that my soul would roast in hell for eternity, I think I'd put a bit of effort into following the basics - do unto others etc etc.
Somewhat tangential, I watched this last night on Netflix:
For The Bible Tells Me So - Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajBR0dq0XXk#)
Fascinating doc, I gotta say. Basically, it's a bunch of various Jesus-loving denomination believers/leaders explaining how anyone who tells you the Bible is about hating gay people is an uneducated twit who never read the book they're quoting.
Also I'm pretty much a hard libertarian, none of this tea party crap. Also, notice the small l there.
Dr. Paul gets a bit too theistic and his economics bother me.
STOP POLICING THE WORLD! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKfuS6gfxPY#ws)
He is the only candidate which makes sense, comon...
He is anti-choice in a scary, scary way (like even in cases of rape).
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why do people support this guy? it's not 1913, the founding fathers were slave owners, some of whom raped the fuck out of their slaves. were miserable people really. Madison only cared about private property rights when it came to motives for writing the constitution. fuck ron paul, he will ruin us all. deregulation of corporation, elimination of the EPA, the gold standard and dissolving the fed. all completely INSANE fucking ideas. whatever transition that takes place has to be gradual. people act like ron paul will have some dictoral power obama doesn't. it's a load of shit you people are being sold. when you dig deep down into what this dude believes you will realize it's nonsense and could never happen over a 4year process. fuck ron paul, his libertarian supports are under the biggest spell of all, the idea that he could actually get elected.
Quote from: Sticky Icky Green Stuff on Oct 09, 2011, 12:17 AM
why do people support this guy? it's not 1913, the founding fathers were slave owners, some of whom raped the fuck out of their slaves. were miserable people really. Madison only cared about private property rights when it came to motives for writing the constitution. fuck ron paul, he will ruin us all. deregulation of corporation, elimination of the EPA, the gold standard and dissolving the fed. all completely INSANE fucking ideas. whatever transition that takes place has to be gradual. people act like ron paul will have some dictoral power obama doesn't. it's a load of shit you people are being sold. when you dig deep down into what this dude believes you will realize it's nonsense and could never happen over a 4year process. fuck ron paul, his libertarian supports are under the biggest spell of all, the idea that he could actually get elected.
Preach it, Brother! ;D
Quote from: Sticky Icky Green Stuff on Oct 09, 2011, 12:17 AM
why do people support this guy? it's not 1913, the founding fathers were slave owners, some of whom raped the fuck out of their slaves. were miserable people really. Madison only cared about private property rights when it came to motives for writing the constitution. fuck ron paul, he will ruin us all. deregulation of corporation, elimination of the EPA, the gold standard and dissolving the fed. all completely INSANE fucking ideas. whatever transition that takes place has to be gradual. people act like ron paul will have some dictoral power obama doesn't. it's a load of shit you people are being sold. when you dig deep down into what this dude believes you will realize it's nonsense and could never happen over a 4year process. fuck ron paul, his libertarian supports are under the biggest spell of all, the idea that he could actually get elected.
You could say just as many things above about the status quo except the last sentence. Look at where we're at before you say "Ron Paul will ruin us all" Eventually we'll have to have an independent candidate win or we're sunk, dead before the ship even sank
why do people support this guy?
He's really smart, makes sense, shoots straight. More than I can say about most people running.
People aren't going to be bartering for goods with silver and gold coins.
Ron Paul said today that the creation of a sound U.S. currency, "backed by gold or some other commodity respected by the market" was the most important first step to create new jobs and encourage capital investment in America.
1.The U.S. economy cannot be restored, according to Ron Paul, until we "prohibit the Treasury and Federal Reserve from essentially creating money and credit from thin air."
Quote from: sweatboard on Oct 11, 2011, 12:14 AM
Quote from: Sticky Icky Green Stuff on Oct 09, 2011, 12:17 AM
why do people support this guy? it's not 1913, the founding fathers were slave owners, some of whom raped the fuck out of their slaves. were miserable people really. Madison only cared about private property rights when it came to motives for writing the constitution. fuck ron paul, he will ruin us all. deregulation of corporation, elimination of the EPA, the gold standard and dissolving the fed. all completely INSANE fucking ideas. whatever transition that takes place has to be gradual. people act like ron paul will have some dictoral power obama doesn't. it's a load of shit you people are being sold. when you dig deep down into what this dude believes you will realize it's nonsense and could never happen over a 4year process. fuck ron paul, his libertarian supports are under the biggest spell of all, the idea that he could actually get elected.
You could say just as many things above about the status quo except the last sentence. Look at where we're at before you say "Ron Paul will ruin us all" Eventually we'll have to have an independent candidate win or we're sunk, dead before the ship even sank
We could sit here all week arguing about this but I'd rather not. You believe and vote for who you want to vote for. the most important thing is that we all vote if we're going to bitch about it. anyway, yes, Ron Paul would ruin our country. I'm not going to defend either side of the one party, two faction power system we've got going but at the same time I'm not going to give up my own personal integrity to back a dude that's full of shit. The EPA shit alone is enough for me. The free market doesn't correct shit if there are no rules. all that happens is the proverbial walmarts of world come in run wages down while stripping their employees of all rights and benefits. If you think corporations need more power you have probably received serious head trauma at some point in your life.
The supreme court treats them as people now. if you really break it down corporations have more power than we do as citizens. and you want to give these mother fuckers more power? you want natural gas and oil companies to decide how big of an impact they are having on our environment when they're already using every loophole they can to squeeze every penny they can? fuck those mother fuckers and fuck ron paul for being down with it.
this illusion that some magical 3rd party "independent" is going to schwoop in and save us is absolutely and completely utterly ridiculous. you've got a democrat president who is pushing policy that is basically something a moderate republican would push and the republicans are being jerk offs, what makes you think those republicans would ever in a million years let you fuck with their money? they've spent 3 years bitching about rolling tax rates back on the rich 3percent. 3 fucking percent and you think Ron Paul is going to do all these magnificant things? seems like you've got Obama syndrome and let me tell you, you're in for a rude awakening. one day Ron's all "man I love gold lets burn this money" the next day he's cruising around in his benz getting bj's in the front seat.
you can't get anything done with this congress. they're the problem. they're owned and persuaded. they've signed pledges. ron paul is not an independent he is a fucking republican. deal with it. soak it in. if you register republican and vote republican you're a fucking republican people. (not directed at you sweat)
Quote from: sweatboard on Oct 11, 2011, 12:20 AM
why do people support this guy?
He's really smart, makes sense, shoots straight. More than I can say about most people running.
he is smart in a, never going to be president kind of way. before he was a career politician he was a doctor right? a doctor who doesn't think anyone has a right to live unless they pay for it. what fucking straight up bullshit. for profit healthcare systems are bullshit and do not work, they fuck us.
Quote from: sweatboard on Oct 11, 2011, 12:35 AM
People aren't going to be bartering for goods with silver and gold coins.
Ron Paul said today that the creation of a sound U.S. currency, "backed by gold or some other commodity respected by the market" was the most important first step to create new jobs and encourage capital investment in America.
1.The U.S. economy cannot be restored, according to Ron Paul, until we "prohibit the Treasury and Federal Reserve from essentially creating money and credit from thin air."
the gold standard is one of his ideas that will never in a million years happen. we have a population that's growing now by the hundreds of millions. the types of policies he wants to pass might have worked back then but our population is almost 3times as big, we're globalized. http://geography.about.com/od/obtainpopulationdata/a/worldpopulation.htm (http://geography.about.com/od/obtainpopulationdata/a/worldpopulation.htm)
eventually when gold becomes scarce, what do we do? at some point there won't be enough gold for everyone. peak gold yo. (just made that up, somebody make a youtube documentary).
these policies are pre-human flight. they bunk mang. the dude sticks to his position but his position is fucked.
I really do love you sticky....
3:50 on.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg-z6vClMhQ&feature=player_embedded#! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg-z6vClMhQ&feature=player_embedded#!)
Why don't you run as an independent?
"We Don't Have a True Democracy in This Country" Fact.
"We orchestrate debates." Fact!
Just watch the clips in the first post.
"Good luck congressman", I make more than you do and wear makeup everyday for a living.....you have no chance at succeeding in life. Fact.
Imagine your wife weighed 800 pounds and never took a shower or combed her hair.
And you brought her plates full of cheeseburgers and french fries, saying, "Aw, you're so pretty."
That's not love.
This is love: AMERICA, STOP HOGGING THE WORLD, START CLEANING UP YOUR MILITANT ATTITUDE, AND RUN A FINE-TOOTH COMB THROUGH THOSE CORPORATE-KISSING LAWS!
And oh, America -- I love you. I just want you to be healthy. No more greasy prejudice for you. I don't want you to have a heart attack[/i] <3
Google Ron Paul
"And oh, American women -- my whole "#1 defender of individual liberty" thing doesn't actually apply to you and the decisions you make for your own body." ::)
Quote from: jaye on Nov 06, 2011, 01:05 PM
"And oh, American women -- my whole "#1 defender of individual liberty" thing doesn't actually apply to you and the decisions you make for your own body." ::)
hehe yeah true that <g> n1 ^^
Not really a "hehe" kind of matter.
U.S. interests collide at times with its support for democracy in the Middle East, says Hillary Clinton. She admits that the U.S. treats democracy movements differ depending on the situation.
But democratic freedom is ultimately the best guarantee of stability, she adds.
Clinton spoke on Monday about Washington's response to the Arab spring, when U.S. allies such as Egypt's President Hosni Mubarak condemned. She accused while the country's now-governing military council to delay the elections.
Quote from: ALady on Nov 07, 2011, 01:08 PM
Not really a "hehe" kind of matter.
Yupp, sorry, missunderstood that one, thought his reply was aimed to the joke i stated
Ron Paul Ad - Life (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkAsLPrnJGc#ws)
Ok...been peeking at this thread and can't hold back...
It is insulting how self-proclaimed "small government" candidates want to lord over our personal lives, beat us in the head with the bible and expand the skewed advantage that "the too big to fail" banks and corporations already enjoy. Unfortunately, wall street has become a powerful government faction, and assisting corporations in becoming more powerful smells like huge, bloated government to me. Less regulation of corporate America and more regulation of the private lives of American citizens simply is not small government. What is most insulting to me is that these candidates erode personal freedoms and protect the ability of corporations to continue a culture of corruption under the guise of patriotism and expect America to buy into it... >:(
What we are experiencing right now is a recalibration of wealth from a middle class that was starting to get a leg up back to the top of an already bobble-headed economic distribution. Soooo many assets that were taken from those not wealthy or powerful enough to protect them have been devalued and have been purchased or are available for purchase at grossly lower cost than normal market value. It seems unnecessary to state that only the wealthy and connected have the means to take advantage of America's "great yard sale". If you are a conspiracy theorist, you might even say this recession we are in was orchestrated to accomplish that specific goal. >:( >:(
QuoteIt seems unnecessary to state that only the wealthy and connected have the means to take advantage of America's "great yard sale". If you are a conspiracy theorist, you might even say this recession we are in was orchestrated to accomplish that specific goal.
Very scary.
Quote from: jaye on Nov 06, 2011, 01:05 PM
"And oh, American women -- my whole "#1 defender of individual liberty" thing doesn't actually apply to you and the decisions you make for your own body." ::)
This is a really interesting question to me. You make a really good point here. I'm not sure how I feel about this......
I think Ron Paul feels very strongly one way about it, and I feel like a woman could feel just as strongly the other way about it, and I feel like Ron Paul's answer is to put it the hands of the state instead of the federal government. It seems like the easy way out.
I guess that's my concern about Ron Paul, he seems to avoid the tough issues by saying "The State Should Decide That"
No; "YOU" should decide that. Just like Ron Paul, or anyone else. What's so wrong with that?
Let's just decide those things on our own, instead of asking for approval from some other entity.
It seems easy to me.
There are a plenty of people ready to adopt a baby. How about we just make it easier for them, something the government could REALLY DO, Thus diminishing abortions.
I've got a good idea, how about we make it illegal to be a serial killer? I'm sure it will stop them....as long as it's done on a "State Level".
While we're at it, we could even make the world a better place to live in. Instead of fighting the war on drugs, we could fight the war on war. That way, when people got high, they would only want to kill themselves. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
(http://www.libertyradio.com/chart.jpg)
Ron Paul Veterans Day Money Bomb 11-11-11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_ygiRVra3w#ws) watch this
No way dude, we can't come home before they believe in democracy and Christianity. Otherwise we have failed them.
The American Upset (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HECoRx8qTrA#ws)
another amazing video:
Ron Paul Veterans Day Money Bomb 11-11-11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_ygiRVra3w#ws)
also:
Ron Paul's 11.11.11 Veteran's Day Moneybomb Raises Over $850,000 and Counting
I'm totally gonna vote for Ron Paul now.
;D
The only thing good about him is his foreign policy. States shouldn't decide shit just for states. Women should be free to do what they choose with their bodies. Gold is just a metal. The ideal free-market is pie in the sky. And care for the poor and unhealthy should be a concern of everyone. All of these are things Paul disagrees with.
I voted for him in the last election, but I've upped my standards and refuse to vote for a presidential candidate that doesn't believe in evolution. Oh, my... I may never vote again...
Quote from: Nevermind90 on Nov 10, 2011, 12:09 PM
(http://www.libertyradio.com/chart.jpg)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Put that into the dictionary next to the entry for
oversimplification.
Ron Paul: The Consistent Candidate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8o5soqdCj8#ws)
Ron Paul: The 45th President Of The United States (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWxaGRZ7Nrs#ws)
Democrats are Leaving Party to Vote for Ron Paul (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GejWck6_96Y#)
2,896 registered Iowa voters:
Ron Paul 42%, Obama 42% (tied)
Mitt Romney 39%, Obama 46% (-7)
Newt Gingrich 37%, Obama 47% (-10)
Rick Perry 37%, Obama 48% (-11)
Michele Bachmann 31%, Obama 54% (-23)
I think "nevermind90" is a computer program... ;)
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What if our foreign policy of the past century is deeply flawed and has not served our national security interest?
What if we wake up one day and realize that the terrorist threat is the predictable consequence of our meddling in the affairs of others, and has nothing to do with us being free and prosperous?
What if propping up repressive regimes in the Middle East endangers both the United States and Israel?
What if occupying countries like Iraq and Afghanistan and bombing Pakistan is directly related to the hatred directed toward us?
What if someday it dawns on us that losing over 5,000 American military personnel in the Middle East since 9/11 is not a fair tradeoff with the loss of nearly 3,000 American citizens no matter how many Iraqi, Pakistanian, Afghan people are killed or displaced?
What if we finally decide that torture, even if called "enhanced interrogation technique", is self-destructive and produces no useful information and that contracting it out to a third world nation is just as evil?
What if it is finally realized that war and military spending is always destructive to the economy?
What if all war-time spending is paid for through the deceitful and evil process of inflating and borrowing?
What if we finally see that war-time conditions always undermine personal liberty?
What if Conservatives who preach small government wake up and realize that our interventionist foreign policy provides the greatest incentive to expand the government?
What if Conservatives understood once again that their only logical position is to reject military intervention and managing an empire throughout the world?
What if the American people woke up and understood that the official reasons for going to war are almost always based on lies and promoted by war propaganda in order to serve special interests?
What if we as a nation came to realize that the quest for empire eventually destroys all great nations?
What if Obama has no intention of leaving Iraq?
What if a military draft is being planned for for the wars that would spread if our foreign policy is not changed?
What if the American people learned the truth, that our foreign policy has nothing to do with national security, that it never changes from one administration to the next?
What if war in preparation for war is a racket serving the special interests?
What if President Obama is completely wrong about Afghanistan and it turns out worse than Iraq and Vietnam put together?
What if Christianity actually teaches peace and not preventive wars of aggression?
What if diplomacy is found to be superior to bombs and bribes in protecting America?
What happens if my concerns are completely unfounded?
Nothing.
But what happens if my concerns are justified and ignored?
Nothing good.
Its a great speech by Ron Paul,
Ron Paul: What If... Amazing Speech 2-12-09 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIaqmF5IXV4#)
Public Policy Polling - Iowa:
Gingrich 22%
Paul 21%
Romney 16%
There has been some major movement in the Republican Presidential race in Iowa over the last week, with what was a 9 point lead for Newt Gingrich now all the way down to a single point. Gingrich is at 22% to 21% for Paul with Mitt Romney at 16%, Michele Bachmann at 11%, Rick Perry at 9%, Rick Santorum at 8%, Jon Huntsman at 5%, and Gary Johnson at 1%.
Florida Pasco County Straw Poll 12-13-2011
Results are:
Ron Paul: 171
Gingrich: 51
Romney: 30
Perry: 14
Santorum: 6
Bachmann: 3
Cain: 1
Huntsman: 1
Johnson: 1
Pledge now.
Ron Paul Money Bomb Dec. 16, 2011 - Pledge Now! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiDZKf74IR0#ws)
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/12/news-bulletin-ron-paul-is-a-huge-racist.html (http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/12/news-bulletin-ron-paul-is-a-huge-racist.html)
http://blogcritics.org/politics/article/a-quick-investigation-into-ron-pauls/ (http://blogcritics.org/politics/article/a-quick-investigation-into-ron-pauls/)
http://www.vice.com/read/ron-paul-is-a-racist-leprechaun (http://www.vice.com/read/ron-paul-is-a-racist-leprechaun)
I tried, in 5 seperate attempts, to watch the debate last night. The longest I lasted was 90 seconds before someone said something that evoked a verbal response of disgust from me.
Thought this was funny...
Rockefeller scared of Ron Paul when he hears of him for the first time (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bob4GwCL_MU#)
Ron Paul Calls Everyone Pupets (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeLIIW0gHCY#ws)
Ron Paul is just fighting against people listening less than once. Newt and Mitt know that..... so do the news channels.
(http://mittromneycentral.com/uploads/mitt_romney1.jpg)
Mitt just watches in awe.
Put me down for voting for Ron Paul until I die or he quits running.
Ron Paul On Legalizing Drugs! PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE! (The video's owner prevents external embedding)
Interesting
"People act like Ron Paul will have some doctoral power Obama doesn't. It's a load of shit you people are being sold."
-Sticky
You act like we're not being "sold" to begin with. Where did you get your education?
Sticky?
I say that with much love.
I'm seriously worried about why you are so down on the IDEA of an independent candidate.
It's almost as if rich people think that because a new idea might makes things suddenly more fair, that they are now going to have to eat the dogshit off the bottom of OUR shoes, and the only reason they are so terrified, is because they've forced it upon us for far to long.
I didn't mention the word Government in the above paragraph, but I probably should have. :-*
Quote from: sweatboard on Dec 18, 2011, 06:10 AM
"People act like Ron Paul will have some doctoral power Obama doesn't. It's a load of shit you people are being sold."
-Sticky
You act like we're not being "sold" to begin with. Where did you get your education?
Sticky?
I say that with much love.
I'm seriously worried about why you are so down on the IDEA of an independent candidate.
It's almost as if rich people think that because a new idea might makes things suddenly more fair, that they are now going to have to eat the dogshit off the bottom of OUR shoes, and the only reason they are so terrified, is because they've forced it upon us for far to long.
I didn't mention the word Government in the above paragraph, but I probably should have. :-*
I'm not against third party candidates, I'm against ron paul and his absolutely retarded world view. all it is isolationism. his foreign policy ideas fucking blow, his stance on the FED is fucking retarded. yeah let's switch to gold and silver, that won't be like having a dependence on oil at all. sike. and just because this dbag says over and over he's against the war on drugs doesn't mean he'll end it. under paul we'd probably have a separate war on drugs in every single state making the situation even more of a clusterfuck. fuck ron paul, fuck his lies, fuck the people who follow him blindly acting like he can do no wrong.
that's my main problem with ron paul fanatics, they won't admit his flaws, his idealism, his bullshit. they ignore it and that's dangerous. his protestant ass can suck my cock.
in the words of the late great George Carlin:
"One of the more pretentious political self-descriptions is "Libertarian." People think it puts them above the fray. It sounds fashionable, and to the uninitiated, faintly dangerous. Actually, it's just one more bullshit political philosophy." -George Carlin
looks like he has taken the lead in Iowa polls!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-election/8964481/US-election-2012-Ron-Paul-joins-the-frontrunners-in-Iowa.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-election/8964481/US-election-2012-Ron-Paul-joins-the-frontrunners-in-Iowa.html)
Quote from: davymac on Dec 19, 2011, 12:03 AM
looks like he has taken the lead in Iowa polls!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-election/8964481/US-election-2012-Ron-Paul-joins-the-frontrunners-in-Iowa.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-election/8964481/US-election-2012-Ron-Paul-joins-the-frontrunners-in-Iowa.html)
;D So? Mike Huckabee, Mitt Romney, and frickin' Fred Thompson finished 1,2,3 in Iowa in 2008. A lot of good that did them.
Quote from: YouAre_GivenToFly on Dec 19, 2011, 03:25 PM
Quote from: davymac on Dec 19, 2011, 12:03 AM
looks like he has taken the lead in Iowa polls!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-election/8964481/US-election-2012-Ron-Paul-joins-the-frontrunners-in-Iowa.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-election/8964481/US-election-2012-Ron-Paul-joins-the-frontrunners-in-Iowa.html)
;D So? Mike Huckabee, Mitt Romney, and frickin' Fred Thompson finished 1,2,3 in Iowa in 2008. A lot of good that did them.
So, several times in history the winner of the Iowa caucus has gone on to win the primary. The fact RP is even considered a frontrunner in the poll is a big step forward for him this go around. I think he has more support this year than ever before.
Yep, think about the chance people would have thought Obama had in the 80's or even the 90's.
I'm just glad that Ron Paul is able to make more noise at this point. He might never get elected but I think there is no doubt he's breaking down some doors.
Ron Paul is to politics like 9/11 was to the war in Iraq. Or like the chickens were to eggs. Or like ecstacy was to raves.....or is it all just the other way around, it's all so confusing.
Right back in the same place that we started out.
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Ron Paul is 76, y'all.
Quote from: ALady on Dec 20, 2011, 11:51 AM
Ron Paul is 76, y'all.
remember when his eyebrow fell off? good point, you just gave me another reason to not vote for this piece of shit.
have you heard about that "money bomb" shit he just did over the weekend. he does it all the time and gets millions within a day. mostly from average, poor, broke ass citizens. brainwashed into giving him money. such a sad thing. "get money out of politics! here ron here's a couple million, good luck". it's total hypocrisy.
Quote from: davymac on Dec 19, 2011, 08:09 PM
.....I think he has more support this year than ever before.
That's just because the GOP field of candidates is at an all time level of shitty.
Quote from: Sticky Icky Green Stuff on Dec 20, 2011, 11:56 AM
Quote from: ALady on Dec 20, 2011, 11:51 AM
Ron Paul is 76, y'all.
remember when his eyebrow fell off? good point, you just gave me another reason to not vote for this piece of shit.
have you heard about that "money bomb" shit he just did over the weekend. he does it all the time and gets millions within a day. mostly from average, poor, broke ass citizens. brainwashed into giving him money. such a sad thing. "get money out of politics! here ron here's a couple million, good luck". it's total hypocrisy.
how the fuck is any politician supposed to campaign without financial support from the people who are behind him? If it is out of his own pocket then we would be stuck with ONLY the most wealthy people in the country as presidential candidates (not saying this has not happened in the past)...for better or worse running for president is quite costly...even though its probably not true, I'd like to think that a real middle class american could make his way to the top without the financial barrier
dont call someone brainwashed for supporting what they believe in, its their money
Quote from: davymac on Dec 20, 2011, 12:22 PM
Quote from: Sticky Icky Green Stuff on Dec 20, 2011, 11:56 AM
Quote from: ALady on Dec 20, 2011, 11:51 AM
Ron Paul is 76, y'all.
remember when his eyebrow fell off? good point, you just gave me another reason to not vote for this piece of shit.
have you heard about that "money bomb" shit he just did over the weekend. he does it all the time and gets millions within a day. mostly from average, poor, broke ass citizens. brainwashed into giving him money. such a sad thing. "get money out of politics! here ron here's a couple million, good luck". it's total hypocrisy.
...even though its probably not true, I'd like to think that a real middle class american could make his way to the top without the financial barrier
No man, that's DEFINITELY not true.
Quote from: YouAre_GivenToFly on Dec 20, 2011, 12:27 PM
Quote from: davymac on Dec 20, 2011, 12:22 PM
Quote from: Sticky Icky Green Stuff on Dec 20, 2011, 11:56 AM
Quote from: ALady on Dec 20, 2011, 11:51 AM
Ron Paul is 76, y'all.
remember when his eyebrow fell off? good point, you just gave me another reason to not vote for this piece of shit.
have you heard about that "money bomb" shit he just did over the weekend. he does it all the time and gets millions within a day. mostly from average, poor, broke ass citizens. brainwashed into giving him money. such a sad thing. "get money out of politics! here ron here's a couple million, good luck". it's total hypocrisy.
...even though its probably not true, I'd like to think that a real middle class american could make his way to the top without the financial barrier
No man, that's DEFINITELY not true.
I think you're right...it sucks we are stuck in a system that will always be led by the elite...maybe a normal american will win the lottery and invest it in his own presidential campaign ;D
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204026804577100730656321606.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204026804577100730656321606.html)
http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2011/12/20/why_ron_paul_can_never_be_president_in_12_quotes/page/2 (http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2011/12/20/why_ron_paul_can_never_be_president_in_12_quotes/page/2)
yet another take on ron: http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/12/really-ron-paul-cannot-win.html (http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/12/really-ron-paul-cannot-win.html)
ouch: http://www.mrdestructo.com/2011/12/game-over-scans-of-over-50-ron-paul.html (http://www.mrdestructo.com/2011/12/game-over-scans-of-over-50-ron-paul.html)
uncle ronny is gettin grouchy: http://news.yahoo.com/ron-paul-suddenly-doesnt-want-talk-reporters-racist-233746279.html (http://news.yahoo.com/ron-paul-suddenly-doesnt-want-talk-reporters-racist-233746279.html)
no response to the links? not surprising.
Quote from: Sticky Icky Green Stuff on Dec 22, 2011, 11:05 AM
no response to the links? not surprising.
Facts make people uncomfortable, unless they confirm their own personal beliefs.
Quote from: YouAre_GivenToFly on Dec 22, 2011, 11:23 AM
Quote from: Sticky Icky Green Stuff on Dec 22, 2011, 11:05 AM
no response to the links? not surprising.
Facts make people uncomfortable, unless they confirm their own personal beliefs.
I guess it's sorta like being a devote christian or something. no matter how many times people prove to you the flaws you won't believe them. even if you read the information with your own eyes. It really does remind me of the attitude people who voted for Obama in 08 had. all hopey changey. that's all ron's really doing right now. capitalizing on people's frustration.
Quote from: Sticky Icky Green Stuff on Dec 22, 2011, 07:10 PM
Quote from: YouAre_GivenToFly on Dec 22, 2011, 11:23 AM
Quote from: Sticky Icky Green Stuff on Dec 22, 2011, 11:05 AM
no response to the links? not surprising.
Facts make people uncomfortable, unless they confirm their own personal beliefs.
I guess it's sorta like being a devote christian or something. no matter how many times people prove to you the flaws you won't believe them. even if you read the information with your own eyes. It really does remind me of the attitude people who voted for Obama in 08 had. all hopey changey. that's all ron's really doing right now. capitalizing on people's frustration.
well if i wanted to cram my beliefs down your throat i would...like saying obama did bring change, we have czar now...all you posted was articles about how ron paul is a racist and how he cant win...the only real policy article you pointed out was his foreign policy issues, which i dont agree with, therefore i have nothing to say. his high points are cutting the national debt by 1 trillion dollars and bringing smaller gov. which i believe in and could care less if you disagree, its what makes this country great, to have different beliefs, if we all thought the same i would go crazy
Quote from: davymac on Dec 22, 2011, 09:27 PM
Quote from: Sticky Icky Green Stuff on Dec 22, 2011, 07:10 PM
Quote from: YouAre_GivenToFly on Dec 22, 2011, 11:23 AM
Quote from: Sticky Icky Green Stuff on Dec 22, 2011, 11:05 AM
no response to the links? not surprising.
Facts make people uncomfortable, unless they confirm their own personal beliefs.
I guess it's sorta like being a devote christian or something. no matter how many times people prove to you the flaws you won't believe them. even if you read the information with your own eyes. It really does remind me of the attitude people who voted for Obama in 08 had. all hopey changey. that's all ron's really doing right now. capitalizing on people's frustration.
well if i wanted to cram my beliefs down your throat i would...like saying obama did bring change, we have czar now...all you posted was articles about how ron paul is a racist and how he cant win...the only real policy article you pointed out was his foreign policy issues, which i dont agree with, therefore i have nothing to say. his high points are cutting the national debt by 1 trillion dollars and bringing smaller gov. which i believe in and could care less if you disagree, its what makes this country great, to have different beliefs, if we all thought the same i would go crazy
that's such a simplistic way of looking at ron paul. you leave out the "how" when it comes to cutting 1 trillion dollars and what he considers smaller government.
he wants to cut off ALL foreign aid. all of it, every single dollar. even the money going to starving kids and people in africa with HIV.
he wants to dissolve the EPA and allow the big oil/natural gas/coal/energy companies set their own standards, which is worthless. ron paul might as well just say "Fuck the environment".
he wants to dissolve the FED and switch to a gold and silver standard, why? because over 64percent of his bread is in GOLD. he has gold mines and shit. that's why he's pushing it, to increase his wallet size. he's old, he doesn't give a fuck about the future. he cares about living his last 10-15years out rich as fuck.
he's leeching money off of good people who want our country to be better. he will NEVER be president. he is unworthy. I won't change your mind because you think he's got the answers but when you really look into it he's no better than the rest, he's just telling you exactly what you want to hear while he does something that will be completely beneficial to ron paul and ron paul alone.
did you know ron paul has delivered over 4,000babies?
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So, who should we vote for sticky?
Quote from: sweatboard on Dec 26, 2011, 02:16 AM
So, who should we vote for sticky?
why would you ask me? it's your right, use it how you want.
Yes, I fully intend on using my vote how I want. I think I phrased my question wrong. You seem to be very knowledgeable and I'm curious about who you think would be the best option right now. I'm not above listening to arguments for why other candidates are good options. I am truly just curious.
http://gawker.com/5871268/follow-the-ron-paul-newsletter-twitter-for-140+character-bursts-of-horrific-racism (http://gawker.com/5871268/follow-the-ron-paul-newsletter-twitter-for-140+character-bursts-of-horrific-racism)
Quote from: sweatboard on Dec 26, 2011, 11:58 PM
Yes, I fully intend on using my vote how I want. I think I phrased my question wrong. You seem to be very knowledgeable and I'm curious about who you think would be the best option right now. I'm not above listening to arguments for why other candidates are good options. I am truly just curious.
im voting straight democrat. want to rid congress of the tea party young gun conservatives and other obstructionists.