My Morning Jacket

As I like to start this thread every year....



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....now that thats out of the way, tomorrow is D-Day!  :bath:

I dont know about the rest of yinz, but today is my Christmas. Hopefully they just get the Luck and RG3 picks out of the way and get the ball rolling. I think there could be more than a couple trades within/into the Top 10.

The vast majority of people are projecting us to take him, but I actually agree and hope we grab this guy. He'd look great in black and gold

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Steelers - F



Jets - F-

Man, I worked all night but was able to watch the draft on my phone all night.  Thanks NFL mobile.  Nothing really blew my mind tonight.  I just am bummed out the Jets drafted another "potential" guy on the D line.  Haven't we learned with Vernon Golston and Dwayne Robertson already?  Hopefully Quinton Coples finally breaks that mold.

If there was a winner, I guess it was the Vikings?

Are you serious, man?!

I really wanted Donta but OL guys slipped like crazy. I love the Decastro pick. I was screaming to trade up to 20 to get him, but I guess no need in retrospect. I dont think there's any Cincy fans here, oh wait Dylan, but thanks for trading down and then taking a 2nd rd grade OG a few picks after we get 1 of the sure things this draft.  :bath:



As for Coples, I dunno Ruckus. Youre in the same place as my Pops, cant sweet talk that pick. He's a GMen fan, and I kept talking up Fleener or a OL as their pick. When they took David Wilson after Doug Martin was stolen from them, I couldnt sugar coat it. At least you got a guy with upside, although if I was a Jets fan I wouldve wanted Barron or Floyd much more.

There were so many trades, I leave picking the winners up to the guys who get paid for it.

I'm just messing with ya!  I have to admit that I didn't do as much of my typical due diligence prior to the draft.  I think the Decastro pick was excellent.  I know many Steelers fans here and they were all happy.  OLine was the way to go for you guys I guess and he seems to be a can't fail type player.  I'm sure you guys would be happy with a mini Faneca.

Decastro's eyebrows alone make him a terrific draft pick. Anthony Davis has nothing on this guy. Honestly though, it seems like a great fit for the Steelers. 

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Also, I am just hoping the Colts can nab Fleener tonight for the Manning-Clark connection Part Deux.

Lastly, this story about Mo Claiborne and the Wunderlich is awesome.

http://deadspin.com/5905680/morris-claiborne-is-the-smartest-rookie-in-the-nfl (http://deadspin.com/5905680/morris-claiborne-is-the-smartest-rookie-in-the-nfl)

Quote from: Jackets N Pones on Apr 27, 2012, 01:36 PM
Lastly, this story about Mo Claiborne and the Wunderlich is awesome.

http://deadspin.com/5905680/morris-claiborne-is-the-smartest-rookie-in-the-nfl (http://deadspin.com/5905680/morris-claiborne-is-the-smartest-rookie-in-the-nfl)

Quote"They say it's an IQ test. I came to the combine for football. I looked at the test, and wasn't any questions about football. I didn't see no point in the test. I'm not in school anymore. I didn't complete it. I only finished 15 or 18 questions."

;D ;D ;D


Colts taking Fleener and bringing him back together with Luck would be cool, and smart. Im sort of hoping they take Upshaw though so the Ravens dont get him with the next pick.

My wish list for tonight:

DEFENSE
ILB Mychal Kendricks
ILB Lavonte David

NT Alameda Ta'amu
NT Josh Chapman
DT Devon Still
DT Jerel Worthy

CB Trumaine Johnson

OFFENSE

OG Keleche Osemele
OG Amini Silatolu
OG/OT Cordy Glenn
OT Jonathon Martin
OT Bobby Massie

RB Isaiah Pead
RB Lamichael James

WR Reuben Randle

We'd probably have to trade up in the 2nd to have a shot at about half of them, but we have 9 picks remaining so I think we'll trade up in 1 of rounds 2-4

The Autumn Wind (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5FR3DgKCm0#)

There's A LOT of uncertainty with the Raiders right now, really looking forward to seeing what kind of team they are now as they start the first full season post-Al with a new head coach and GM. It's a strange time, but I'm hopeful.

The Niners looked STRONG yesterday, made the Packers offense look pretty average. The officiating in that game was HORRIBLE.

I expect the Raiders to show vast improvements tonight...I just don't know if it will be enough to beat the Chargers, I predict a great, close game though.

I'm just pumped to watch Rolando McClain school some fools.

Pumped for Bears/Packers tonight!  Go Bears!

thought I would share this with y'all, in case you don't have NFL Sunday Ticket

http://www.wiziwig.tv/competition.php?part=sports&discipline=americanfootball (http://www.wiziwig.tv/competition.php?part=sports&discipline=americanfootball)

You can watch any NFL game on this site.  I did last weekend!  Just waiting for it to get shut down, but it works for now.

Quote from: Hawkeye on Sep 13, 2012, 04:01 PM
Pumped for Bears/Packers tonight!  Go Bears!

thought I would share this with y'all, in case you don't have NFL Sunday Ticket

http://www.wiziwig.tv/competition.php?part=sports&discipline=americanfootball (http://www.wiziwig.tv/competition.php?part=sports&discipline=americanfootball)

You can watch any NFL game on this site.  I did last weekend!  Just waiting for it to get shut down, but it works for now.

This is another decent site     http://atdhenet.tv/ (http://atdhenet.tv/)     ,  I used this site last year when Versus was blacked out so I could watch the mighty Blackhawks.


BEARS !!!!!

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Man wtf was that?  I thought the days of Cutler being a bitch during and after games were going away.  As poorly as they played offensively, they were still right in the game through 3 quarters.  The Bears D played great.  I just don't understand why they didn't make any offensive adjustments and look towards Bennett and the TE over the middle some more to keep the safeties honest.  It looked like a Mike Martz called game all over again :grin:  Jamarcus Webb  :embarrassed:

I'm a Cutler hater so I was all smiles last night. Maybe now he won't run his mouth off before next week's game.

Quote from: Ruckus on Sep 14, 2012, 09:53 AM
Man wtf was that?  I thought the days of Cutler being a bitch during and after games were going away.  As poorly as they played offensively, they were still right in the game through 3 quarters.  The Bears D played great.  I just don't understand why they didn't make any offensive adjustments and look towards Bennett and the TE over the middle some more to keep the safeties honest.  It looked like a Mike Martz called game all over again :grin:  Jamarcus Webb  :embarrassed:

I wanted to throw up last night.  Cutler needs an attitude adjustment.  Why they didn't roll him out to the right side with play action to avoid the pressure is beyond me or just run the ball more.   

Quote from: joey_rogo on Sep 14, 2012, 10:34 AM
I'm a Cutler hater so I was all smiles last night. Maybe now he won't run his mouth off before next week's game.

Charles Woodson was happy to shove it back in Cutler's face:

"Heard some talk out of the Bears: Packers secondary not working coverage, bigger receivers ... we heard about it," Woodson told ESPN's Rachel Nichols after the game. "We understand that Jay is excited about his new weapons, but it's the same-old Jay. We don't need luck; Jay will throw us the ball."  OUCH!   :grin:

"I mean, the proof is in the pudding. You see the way the game went tonight ... he threw the ball to the defense,"  DOUBLE OUCH!!!   :grin:

I think Cutler learned a valuable lesson of STFU!

Quote from: iLikeBeer on Sep 14, 2012, 11:02 AM

Quote from: joey_rogo on Sep 14, 2012, 10:34 AM
I'm a Cutler hater so I was all smiles last night. Maybe now he won't run his mouth off before next week's game.

Charles Woodson was happy to shove it back in Cutler's face:

"Heard some talk out of the Bears: Packers secondary not working coverage, bigger receivers ... we heard about it," Woodson told ESPN's Rachel Nichols after the game. "We understand that Jay is excited about his new weapons, but it's the same-old Jay. We don't need luck; Jay will throw us the ball."  OUCH!   :grin:

"I mean, the proof is in the pudding. You see the way the game went tonight ... he threw the ball to the defense,"  DOUBLE OUCH!!!   :grin:

I think Cutler learned a valuable lesson of STFU!

That's awesome! Same-old-Jay'd.  :grin:

The Bears do have a good team, and I wouldn't panic if I were a fan. I think they'll be fine, and should make the playoffs this season.

I'm a Bears fan, but what Woodson said was f-ing funny.  Cutler...ugh...just play football and stop whining, wtf.

Yeah, I saw no adjustments being made whatsoever.  Lousy coaching, lousy protection for Cutler.

Quote from: iLikeBeer on Sep 14, 2012, 11:02 AM

Quote from: joey_rogo on Sep 14, 2012, 10:34 AM
I'm a Cutler hater so I was all smiles last night. Maybe now he won't run his mouth off before next week's game.

Charles Woodson was happy to shove it back in Cutler's face:

"Heard some talk out of the Bears: Packers secondary not working coverage, bigger receivers ... we heard about it," Woodson told ESPN's Rachel Nichols after the game. "We understand that Jay is excited about his new weapons, but it's the same-old Jay. We don't need luck; Jay will throw us the ball."  OUCH!   :grin:

"I mean, the proof is in the pudding. You see the way the game went tonight ... he threw the ball to the defense,"  DOUBLE OUCH!!!   :grin:

I think Cutler learned a valuable lesson of STFU!

classic (follow the link down there to hear Woodson)

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=8376717 (http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=8376717)

Thanks Tracy!  The video is much better!   :grin: 

Charles is arguably my favorite player to ever wear the winged helmet at Michigan!   :cool:

some good Cutler-related items on PFT today:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/14/bears-fear-a-potential-cutler-mutiny/ (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/14/bears-fear-a-potential-cutler-mutiny/)

and this from Woodson, which I know was referenced earlier in the thread:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/14/charles-woodson-we-dont-need-luck-jay-will-throw-us-the-ball/ (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/14/charles-woodson-we-dont-need-luck-jay-will-throw-us-the-ball/)

GO GIANTS!

Let's put one in the W column today, and get back on track. :beer:

So my Phins got a win, thats always a good day when it rarely happens
But with the Jets getting pounded and the Patriots choking, it made the day a lot better.

Eagles suprised, how can you have 9 turnovers in 2 games and be 2-0

Eli was ridiculious in the second half

The skins crapped the bed, which means the drive home from work all week will be much more enjoyable.  By far the worst sports/homer fans in the country by far.

Look on the bright side skins fans.   Think of all the money the team saved on kleenex's.

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Really hoping we see the regular refs back soon. Yes they miss plays too, but at least they have a handle on the game, and keep it under control. It looked to me like the games were way more chippy this week than last. Guys seem to pushing what they can get away with to the limit. What's it gonna take, a major injury to a star player?

I think you could've called defensive holding on just about every play. More of a sandlot looking game, than a professional one in that regard,IMO. Db's seem to figure they're not going to call it every time, so if they can  get away with it , why not do it?

The replacement refs haven't been very good at all.  Actually, pretty bad.  I hope the League and the officials can reach an agreement soon.

Anyway, the Boys got smoked yesterday.  Other than parts of the first half, Seattle controlled the game.  They were the more physical and the hungrier team.  They just beat up the Boys and the Boys, as usual, just whimpered.

Quote from: Northern Neighbour on Sep 17, 2012, 05:11 PM
The replacement refs haven't been very good at all.  Actually, pretty bad.  I hope the League and the officials can reach an agreement soon.

Anyway, the Boys got smoked yesterday.  Other than parts of the first half, Seattle controlled the game.  They were the more physical and the hungrier team.  They just beat up the Boys and the Boys, as usual, just whimpered.

Ben, I was going to take a photo of Gideon in Giants gear watching the Giants game w/ us, but I refrained from doing so.  I think we should agree that Gideon be off-limits to any fan allegiances that may offend or upset any of the other Gideon owners.   :wink:

Quote from: ericm on Sep 17, 2012, 03:44 PM
Really hoping we see the regular refs back soon. Yes they miss plays too, but at least they have a handle on the game, and keep it under control. It looked to me like the games were way more chippy this week than last. Guys seem to pushing what they can get away with to the limit. What's it gonna take, a major injury to a star player?

I think you could've called defensive holding on just about every play. More of a sandlot looking game, than a professional one in that regard,IMO. Db's seem to figure they're not going to call it every time, so if they can  get away with it , why not do it?

I was one of the few that were ok with the replacement refs.  When we had the regular refs people were always complaining and there was no real accountability mechanism.  I was hoping that the replacements would step up with few problems.  I mean the full time refs are asking for some enormous salaries for what amounts to a VERY PART TIME job.  Unfortunately, I finally have to concede that the replacements do indeed suck and an agreement has to be reached sooner than later. 

The best of the weekend was the phantom pass interference call against the Steelers on Santonio Holmes :grin:

Quote from: Ruckus on Sep 17, 2012, 09:17 PM

Quote from: ericm on Sep 17, 2012, 03:44 PM
Really hoping we see the regular refs back soon. Yes they miss plays too, but at least they have a handle on the game, and keep it under control. It looked to me like the games were way more chippy this week than last. Guys seem to pushing what they can get away with to the limit. What's it gonna take, a major injury to a star player?

I think you could've called defensive holding on just about every play. More of a sandlot looking game, than a professional one in that regard,IMO. Db's seem to figure they're not going to call it every time, so if they can  get away with it , why not do it?

I was one of the few that were ok with the replacement refs.  When we had the regular refs people were always complaining and there was no real accountability mechanism.  I was hoping that the replacements would step up with few problems.  I mean the full time refs are asking for some enormous salaries for what amounts to a VERY PART TIME job.  Unfortunately, I finally have to concede that the replacements do indeed suck and an agreement has to be reached sooner than later. 

The best of the weekend was the phantom pass interference call against the Steelers on Santonio Holmes :grin:

sorryspacebarbroke.
gottalovewhenthefanscontinuetoboowellaftertheplay.

Quote from: Ruckus on Sep 17, 2012, 09:17 PM

Quote from: ericm on Sep 17, 2012, 03:44 PM
Really hoping we see the regular refs back soon. Yes they miss plays too, but at least they have a handle on the game, and keep it under control. It looked to me like the games were way more chippy this week than last. Guys seem to pushing what they can get away with to the limit. What's it gonna take, a major injury to a star player?

I think you could've called defensive holding on just about every play. More of a sandlot looking game, than a professional one in that regard,IMO. Db's seem to figure they're not going to call it every time, so if they can  get away with it , why not do it?

I was one of the few that were ok with the replacement refs.  When we had the regular refs people were always complaining and there was no real accountability mechanism.  I was hoping that the replacements would step up with few problems.  I mean the full time refs are asking for some enormous salaries for what amounts to a VERY PART TIME job.  Unfortunately, I finally have to concede that the replacements do indeed suck and an agreement has to be reached sooner than later. 

The best of the weekend was the phantom pass interference call against the Steelers on Santonio Holmes :grin:

I get the salary and benefits these guys want is huge, and for most of us seems out of line, but the NFL is a multi billion dollar business. The players, fans, and the game itself deserve the best officiating they can get. They have the dough, so it shouldn't be that hard to come to an agreement that makes everyone happy,IMO.

Another thing to consider is the integrity of the game, and of the regular refs. These guys are beyond reproach, and that's gotta be worth something, no? I know I never minded paying one of my guys a little more if it meant less headaches for me.  :grin:

I got a kick out of the dumbass they pulled off the Saints game. It seems he posted on Facebook he was thrilled to be working a game for his favorite team, along with pics of him in a Saints jersey  outside the Superdome before a game he went to! You can't make this kinda shit up!

Quote from: ItBeats4Jew on Sep 17, 2012, 06:24 PM

Quote from: Northern Neighbour on Sep 17, 2012, 05:11 PM
The replacement refs haven't been very good at all.  Actually, pretty bad.  I hope the League and the officials can reach an agreement soon.

Anyway, the Boys got smoked yesterday.  Other than parts of the first half, Seattle controlled the game.  They were the more physical and the hungrier team.  They just beat up the Boys and the Boys, as usual, just whimpered.

Ben, I was going to take a photo of Gideon in Giants gear watching the Giants game w/ us, but I refrained from doing so.  I think we should agree that Gideon be off-limits to any fan allegiances that may offend or upset any of the other Gideon owners.   :wink:

Deal

Quote from: Northern Neighbour on Sep 17, 2012, 05:11 PM
The replacement refs haven't been very good at all.  Actually, pretty bad.  I hope the League and the officials can reach an agreement soon.

Anyway, the Boys got smoked yesterday.  Other than parts of the first half, Seattle controlled the game.  They were the more physical and the hungrier team.  They just beat up the Boys and the Boys, as usual, just whimpered.

Atlanta and Denver's MNF game last night was awful.  I bet an hour was wasted trying to figure out calls or re-locating the chains, very poor officiating.

Yeah.  I read on ESPN that the first quarter lasted over an hour alone in last night's game?!   :shocked:

This is getting utterly rediculous.  I don't know if anyone else is sensing it, but it seems to me as though the officials are catering more towards the home teams?  Just looking at the Browns to use an example...

In week one the Browns hosted the Eagles.  The Browns were flagged 3 times for 35 yards.  The Eagles?  They were flagged 12 times for 110 yards. 

Last week, the Bengals hosted the Browns.  The Bengals were flagged 6 times for 54 yards and the Browns had 10 penalties for 103 yards?! 

I also noticed in watching the Packer's first two games that they were getting the benefit of a TON of calls (and non-calls  :rolleyes:) and oh, they just happened to be playing at home as well.

So far the NFL has been able to mostly deflect any bad publicity that the replacement officials have brought to the games as there really haven't been any glaring errors made in any of the marquee games.   Well, last night wasn't pretty for the NFL and the noise is starting to get louder and louder with complaints about how poor the replacement officiating is becoming.  And now, player safety is being added to the argument about getting this deal done and Roger Goodell is beginning to look like a big hypocrite with how much he is has been an advocate for player safety and all!

Quote from: Northern Neighbour on Sep 17, 2012, 05:11 PM
Anyway, the Boys got smoked yesterday.  Other than parts of the first half, Seattle controlled the game.  They were the more physical and the hungrier team.  They just beat up the Boys and the Boys, as usual, just whimpered.

Man, I was so encouraged after opening night beating the Giants in the Meadowlands!  And then last week happened?!   :rolleyes:  That was an awful performance all around but I'm mostly disappointed with one Dez Bryant!  Starting with his off the field issues, and that seems to be carrying over to affect his play on the field?!  How many dropped passes did he have?  Or how about muffed punts?!  He has all the talent in the world, but he's such a head case, I'm beginning to wonder if he's worth the trouble?! 

Yep, the replacement refs are bad, but I have to agree with steve young's take.
It doesn't really matter how bad they are because everyone will still watch and buy tickets so the performance of the replacements will not really effect the negotiations with the regular refs.  I think the big sticking point is that the refs still want a full pention when everyone, other than players, that works for the NFL has a much smaller pention as part of their contracts.  I think this one could drag out farther than most people think as there hasn't been any reports of any new talks between the sides and I think Goodell has most of the power with profits still up.

Quote from: iLikeBeer on Sep 18, 2012, 11:48 AM

Quote from: Northern Neighbour on Sep 17, 2012, 05:11 PM
Anyway, the Boys got smoked yesterday.  Other than parts of the first half, Seattle controlled the game.  They were the more physical and the hungrier team.  They just beat up the Boys and the Boys, as usual, just whimpered.

Man, I was so encouraged after opening night beating the Giants in the Meadowlands!  And then last week happened?!   :rolleyes:  That was an awful performance all around but I'm mostly disappointed with one Dez Bryant!  Starting with his off the field issues, and that seems to be carrying over to affect his play on the field?!  How many dropped passes did he have?  Or how about muffed punts?!  He has all the talent in the world, but he's such a head case, I'm beginning to wonder if he's worth the trouble?!

Witten had 5 dropped passes (4 official, but he also whiffed on the long pass).  BHe and Bryant were atrocious.

Quote from: Northern Neighbour on Sep 19, 2012, 12:55 PM
Witten had 5 dropped passes (4 official, but he also whiffed on the long pass).  BHe and Bryant were atrocious.

Yeah, Whitten had a bad game too, but he also has that spleen issue to deal with.  Plus, he'll be in Canton someday, so I'm willing to give him the benefit of doubt...  :cool:

RIP Steve Sabol

NFL's Best Ever Quarterbacks (1985), Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txMMH-iHfmY#)

NFL's Best Ever Runners (1985), Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEi2SkonNdg#)

and of course, The Autumn Wind clip I post every season that is on the first page of this thread.

Much appreciative to Steve Sabol for capturing some great stuff on film and making the game feel cinematic. I tried going back and watching the complete broadcasted Steeler SB's from the 70's on DVD and was surprised at how poor the quality was, I only ended up watching 2 of them. It's much better to just watch those clips from NFL Films.

so most of the prognosticators were picking against the Giants last night.  looks like the champs woke up the rest of the league to the fact that THEY ARE THE REIGNING SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS!!  stop sleeping on this team.  they have the best quarterback in the league (that's right, I said it).  and now 2 more found weapons in Andre Brown & Ramses Barden (although anyone who watched the Giants this preseason...and I'm almost ashamed to admit that I watch preseason football...knows Barden could break out just given the opportunity.) 

Quote from: iLikeBeer on Sep 18, 2012, 11:48 AM

Quote from: Northern Neighbour on Sep 17, 2012, 05:11 PM
Anyway, the Boys got smoked yesterday.  Other than parts of the first half, Seattle controlled the game.  They were the more physical and the hungrier team.  They just beat up the Boys and the Boys, as usual, just whimpered.

Man, I was so encouraged after opening night beating the Giants in the Meadowlands!  And then last week happened?!   :rolleyes:  That was an awful performance all around but I'm mostly disappointed with one Dez Bryant!  Starting with his off the field issues, and that seems to be carrying over to affect his play on the field?!  How many dropped passes did he have?  Or how about muffed punts?!  He has all the talent in the world, but he's such a head case, I'm beginning to wonder if he's worth the trouble?!

I think you and Shango are on the same page...

Dallas Cowboys look pathetic vs the Seahawks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifE6XkqMX9g#ws)

GO GIANTS!!   :beer:

Need a win in Philly just like last year.

The Dallas Cowboys - the NFL's softest team.

Quote from: Northern Neighbour on Oct 02, 2012, 12:13 PM
The Dallas Cowboys - the NFL's softest team.

Total reflection of their coach if you ask me.  Jason Garrett is a good assistant coach, but just not head coaching material...

Quote from: iLikeBeer on Oct 03, 2012, 10:36 AM

Quote from: Northern Neighbour on Oct 02, 2012, 12:13 PM
The Dallas Cowboys - the NFL's softest team.

Total reflection of their coach if you ask me.  Jason Garrett is a good assistant coach, but just not head coaching material...

Actually a reflection of their QB.  For every great play, he has a total disaster linking in the near future.  He's a poor man's Favre, who IMHO was overrated as well.

Heading out shortly for my first Pats game this year. We're at the mercy of friends who are season ticket holders but moved to NC. Sometimes, they or their family claim tix but my brother, sister, and I get what's left.

Today, Denver and Peyton Manning come to Foxboro. Hoping to see more of the ground attack that we saw in Buffalo last week.

Go Pats!


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Quote from: johnnYYac on Oct 07, 2012, 08:33 AM
Heading out shortly for my first Pats game this year. We're at the mercy of friends who are season ticket holders but moved to NC. Sometimes, they or their family claim tix but my brother, sister, and I get what's left.

Today, Denver and Peyton Manning come to Foxboro. Hoping to see more of the ground attack that we saw in Buffalo last week.

Go Pats!


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Nice, Yac!  Should be a good game.  Have fun!

Quote from: Jon T. on Oct 07, 2012, 09:12 AM

Quote from: johnnYYac on Oct 07, 2012, 08:33 AM
Heading out shortly for my first Pats game this year. We're at the mercy of friends who are season ticket holders but moved to NC. Sometimes, they or their family claim tix but my brother, sister, and I get what's left.

Today, Denver and Peyton Manning come to Foxboro. Hoping to see more of the ground attack that we saw in Buffalo last week.

Go Pats!


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Nice, Yac!  Should be a good game.  Have fun!

Have fun Yacster!  The way I look at it, since the Jets are going to lose just about every other game left this year, the Patsies are going to have to do the same for us to win the division with a 7-9 record. :grin:

C'mon Broncos!

It's gonna be a wet one!  Ah, $10 beers!


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Photos from the nosebleeds...

Looks like rain.
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Pats take the field.
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Kickoff!
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Brady's run-in touchdown.
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BillYYac - my brother
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Halftime.
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Patriots 31  Broncos 21

Fuck.

Great all around game by the Champs today.  Harbaugh got schooled IMO. You have to strap it up and play in this league buddy. Gimmicks, and bad challenges might get by in college, but  this is the big leagues  fella.  A BIG FU to maybe the douchiest coach in the league.

I know it's only one game, and a regular season one at that, but this guy needs to be knocked down a peg or two,IMO. There's a long way to go, and SF has a great team, and will probably be there at the end in the NFC, but Harbaugh just bugs the hell out of me. His brother in Baltimore is not anywhere near as bad, and a much better coach,IMO.. How could these two be so different?

I think you're a little rough on Jim there eric, but I do appreciate the props to John. :smiley:

Nice win by the Ravens today, but maybe not such a 'win' in the long run.  A defense already looking suspect without Suggs, today lost Webb and maybe Lewis as well.  Flacco's gonna need to score a lot of points (and not convinced he can) for us to continue to win.

Quote from: exist10z on Oct 14, 2012, 10:12 PM
I think you're a little rough on Jim there eric, but I do appreciate the props to John. :smiley:

Nice win by the Ravens today, but maybe not such a 'win' in the long run.  A defense already looking suspect without Suggs, today lost Webb and maybe Lewis as well.  Flacco's gonna need to score a lot of points (and not convinced he can) for us to continue to win.

No way ex.  The more I see of JH the  more I can't stand.   I've seen a lot of great coaches over the years, and don't let my fan bias get in the way of respecting one,or giving one his props when it's deserved. This guy acts like he invented the wheel or something. Today he flat out got out coached,  and had his team out played.  This wasn't the Jets,or Bills they were playing. He's a bully who ran it up on lesser teams, and got sent home crying to Mommy today when he faced a team as good or better than his. One that wasn't afraid to go toe to toe, and let the best team win. The Giants more than matched the Niners physical play, and in fact beat them at their own game.

JH out foxed himself today, and his gimmicky back -up QB spread offense or whatever he wants to call it, didn't fool anyone. His own players have to question why he kept jerking Smith in and out of the game. They could never get a rhythm on offense, and this tactic neither helped nor worked. I know if that was my team's coach I wouldn't be happy with him, and probably even harder on him than I am now.

His first challenge on what was clearly a play that wouldn't be overturned, might've been the worst use of the red flag I've seen yet.

I'm not usually one to gloat over a win, but this one was sweet. Like I said, JH hasn't won shit yet, and needed to be smacked down a bit,IMO. I'm glad to see it happen, and even happier that is was my team that did it.

While I do not think Jim Harbough is on the level of a Rex Ryan in the douchbag department.  I stll think he is pretty douchy in his demenor and play calling. The NFL is different than college and just becuase you have a dominant D, doesn't mean you can win every game.  Was glad to see them get waxed for the second time, but by a better team than the Vikes.  I do love me some Willis though, straight up stud at the MLB position.

Quote from: ericm on Oct 14, 2012, 08:52 PM
Great all around game by the Champs today.  Harbaugh got schooled IMO. You have to strap it up and play in this league buddy. Gimmicks, and bad challenges might get by in college, but  this is the big leagues  fella.  A BIG FU to maybe the douchiest coach in the league.

I know it's only one game, and a regular season one at that, but this guy needs to be knocked down a peg or two,IMO. There's a long way to go, and SF has a great team, and will probably be there at the end in the NFC, but Harbaugh just bugs the hell out of me. His brother in Baltimore is not anywhere near as bad, and a much better coach,IMO.. How could these two be so different?

I did not see the game, but Jim Harbaugh bothers me as well (and much more than John H, who I still think is a little too cocky more his own good, but nothing like Jim). Pretty sure Jim H rubs me the wrong way more than any other coach going right now. Without a doubt, Jim is a very good coach, he just comes off far more arrogant and an asshole than he has earned thus far. He was a fairly successful player in his day, so I think part of it relates to that as well as just his personality, but I wont give him an excuse in the asshole department.

As for coaching, he helped groom Luck into the #1 pick. In 1 year, he turned SF from a joke into a team in the NFC championship game. Alex Smith was a laughing stock a year ago and for his entire career really, but going into this week he was leading the league in passer rating (yes, I know he threw a few picks this week). Some of that its hard to say how much credit you give to Harbaugh, but he's clearly doing something right.

Mostly its just his track record isnt long enough for him to be such a pompous cockface yet.

Quote from: exist10z on Oct 14, 2012, 10:12 PM
Nice win by the Ravens today, but maybe not such a 'win' in the long run.  A defense already looking suspect without Suggs, today lost Webb and maybe Lewis as well.  Flacco's gonna need to score a lot of points (and not convinced he can) for us to continue to win.

Sounds like Ray Ray and Webb dunzo for the year, Ngata possibly as well. Im still not sold on Sizzle being back anytime soon.

That said, my Steelers absolutely suck, especially on the road. I was total doom and gloom after that horrific game thursday, but now I am only slightly with the Ravens succumbing to similar injury problems and 3rd best team and 9th best team in the AFC all being 3-3 and only a half game better than the Stillers.

Quote from: capt. scotty on Oct 15, 2012, 10:57 AM

Quote from: exist10z on Oct 14, 2012, 10:12 PM
Nice win by the Ravens today, but maybe not such a 'win' in the long run.  A defense already looking suspect without Suggs, today lost Webb and maybe Lewis as well.  Flacco's gonna need to score a lot of points (and not convinced he can) for us to continue to win.

Sounds like Ray Ray and Webb dunzo for the year, Ngata possibly as well. Im still not sold on Sizzle being back anytime soon.

That said, my Steelers absolutely suck, especially on the road. I was total doom and gloom after that horrific game thursday, but now I am only slightly with the Ravens succumbing to similar injury problems and 3rd best team and 9th best team in the AFC all being 3-3 and only a half game better than the Stillers.

Yeah, the Steelers are having a rough time too, but with basically losing all our best defensive players, I think we'll be lucky to split with you.  The Ravens defense wasn't stopping anyone WITH Lewis and Webb.

I checked the rest of the schedule, and even at 5-1, I think the Ravens will be fortunate to finish at 10-6 (crazy fortunate at 11-5 - if the offense goes nuts, but I don't see that happening), and 9-7 seems more likely.  That could/should still get us into the playoffs, but I don't see us going anywhere.

Bummer... :cry:

My god?!  Only the Cowboys can rack up almost 500 yards of total offense, 220 yards rushing and win the time of possession battle 40 minutes to 20 and still lose the effing game???

When Jason Garrett is fired won't be soon enough!

yesterday was possibly the worst day of my life.  Both of my teams lost and I had to listen to effin' Joe Buck announce BOTH games.  I hate that guy.  :angry:

The Jim Harbaugh hate cracks me up, to each is own. He is a coach that really does seem to get under people's skin. For me, he has assembled a great coaching staff and he knows where to implement his "head coaching" and when to leave the rest of the gameplan to other coaches.
Yesterday was obviously a poor showing for the coaches (too much breaking up rhythm at the QB spot), not sticking to the run, and to be honest getting too cute with the gameplan. We know who the Giants are, respect given for the game yesterday but the 49ers are better than they played yesterday.
Onto the next game, one team I definitely hate more than the Giants is the Seahawsk!

CHIMMJFAN

Quote from: iLikeBeer on Oct 15, 2012, 12:49 PM
My god?!  Only the Cowboys can rack up almost 500 yards of total offense, 220 yards rushing and win the time of possession battle 40 minutes to 20 and still lose the effing game???

When Jason Garrett is fired won't be soon enough!

Yeah.  The Boys played a very good game, but a few costly mistakes were the difference - Jones' 108-yard  KO return for a TD, Romo's INT and the defence's inability to bail him out was a 7- or possibly 10-point swing, and the dropped 2-pt conversion by Bryant. 

Yesterday's game basically summed up the Boys' recent history (i.e., since 2006) - some great moments, some costly mental lapses, and just not good enough to win.

To add to it, how about the absolute abhorrent clock management after the Cowboys recovered the onside kick.  One play with almost 30 seconds on the clock AND a timeout?  Inexcuseable and that is stuff that falls back on the HC.  I like Jason Garrett as a coordinator, but I'm sorry, he just doesn't seem to have what it takes to get this team to turn the corner as a head coach...

Oh, and I'd take Jim Harbaugh in a heartbeat to come and coach the Cowboys...  :beer:

Quote from: iLikeBeer on Oct 15, 2012, 03:32 PM
To add to it, how about the absolute abhorrent clock management after the Cowboys recovered the onside kick.  One play with almost 30 seconds on the clock AND a timeout?  Inexcuseable and that is stuff that falls back on the HC.  I like Jason Garrett as a coordinator, but I'm sorry, he just doesn't seem to have what it takes to get this team to turn the corner as a head coach...

And Romo is smiling, looked like he was laughing, when he was walking off the field after calling a TO. I totally don't get that guy. I don't believe in hating athletes or coaches, but I have a really hard time liking that guy (or understanding him)

Quote from: iLikeBeer on Oct 15, 2012, 12:49 PM
My god?!  Only the Cowboys can rack up almost 500 yards of total offense, 220 yards rushing and win the time of possession battle 40 minutes to 20 and still lose the effing game???

When Jason Garrett is fired won't be soon enough!

that sounds a bit like my Pats yesterday in Seattle. A damn shame.


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Quote from: walterfredo on Oct 15, 2012, 01:28 PM
yesterday was possibly the worst day of my life.  Both of my teams lost and I had to listen to effin' Joe Buck announce BOTH games.  I hate that guy.  :angry:

:grin:

I hate Joe Buck too, but thats kind of funny in a twisted way. I wouldve muted the games sooner rather than later. The best thing Joe Buck has ever been a part of was Artie Lange ripping him to pieces on the series premiere of the short-lived Joe Buck Live

I know I'm late with this, but did anyone see this?

http://deadspin.com/5947408/falcons-safety-thomas-decoud-played-the-meow-game-during-an-interview-on-sportscenter (http://deadspin.com/5947408/falcons-safety-thomas-decoud-played-the-meow-game-during-an-interview-on-sportscenter)

Quote from: Jon T. on Oct 19, 2012, 11:08 AM
I know I'm late with this, but did anyone see this?

http://deadspin.com/5947408/falcons-safety-thomas-decoud-played-the-meow-game-during-an-interview-on-sportscenter (http://deadspin.com/5947408/falcons-safety-thomas-decoud-played-the-meow-game-during-an-interview-on-sportscenter)

Funny a friend mentioned this video to me on Thursday and I watched it yesterday thanks to your reminder.  It was very well done.  Bravo!

Settling in to Jets v. Patriots. Where are those Jet fans?  Go Pats!


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Settling in to Jets v. Patriots. Where are those Jet fans?  Go Pats!


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Can't speak for them John, but as long as us Giant fans have Eli, no matter how rough a game he has, he's always there when it counts! I'll take  a very tough division win, and move on.  :thumbsup:

I need a good win to help me recover from last week.

Wooooop!  104 yard kickoff return for 6! That's the stuff!


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Gronk!


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Uh oh. Here we blow again.


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D!!!!!! Yes!

Jets 26  Pats 29  OT

Good game, a nail biter.

Its always a good day when my phins are beating the FAT man.  I wonder what his excuse will be this time?

The Boys will be Boys. 

:undecided:

Quote from: Northern Neighbour on Oct 28, 2012, 11:04 PM
The Boys will be Boys. 

:undecided:

Only caught the 2nd half, but it was a very entertaining game.

I was literally hoping they gave Dez the catch just based on effort and big time play, and I always want the correct call.

Quote from: capt. scotty on Oct 31, 2012, 10:32 PM

Quote from: Northern Neighbour on Oct 28, 2012, 11:04 PM
The Boys will be Boys. 

:undecided:

Only caught the 2nd half, but it was a very entertaining game.

I was literally hoping they gave Dez the catch just based on effort and big time play, and I always want the correct call.

Take away that first quarter and the Cowboys would have ran away from the G-men?!

That Dez no catch kind of just typifies Dez Bryant's career.  He is so close to being a great receiver in this league but he always just seems to have a finger out of bounds.  Whether it's spacing out and fumbling punt returns, running bad/lazy routes that result in Romo int's, etc, etc.  If he could ever get out of his own way, he could be very good...

Quote from: Northern Neighbour on Oct 28, 2012, 11:04 PM
The Boys will be Boys. 

:undecided:

NN, I usually celebrate a win over Dallas like it's Mardi Gras, but this one left me feeling a little empty.  The fact that they had 6 takeaways and were a fingernail away from losing was ridiculous. 

A NFL win is a win, the teams are so close in talent overall that a play here or there can win or loose you a game.  I'd take it and be happy.

The Boys dug their own grave last week.  When turn the ball over 6 times, you're going to lose games.  While it was nice to see the team fight back, moral victories are for young, up-and-coming teams or losers.   The Boys since 1996 fall in the latter category.

Quote from: iLikeBeer on Nov 01, 2012, 09:24 AM

Quote from: capt. scotty on Oct 31, 2012, 10:32 PM

Quote from: Northern Neighbour on Oct 28, 2012, 11:04 PM
The Boys will be Boys. 

:undecided:

Only caught the 2nd half, but it was a very entertaining game.

I was literally hoping they gave Dez the catch just based on effort and big time play, and I always want the correct call.

Take away that first quarter and the Cowboys would have ran away from the G-men?!

That Dez no catch kind of just typifies Dez Bryant's career.  He is so close to being a great receiver in this league but he always just seems to have a finger out of bounds.  Whether it's spacing out and fumbling punt returns, running bad/lazy routes that result in Romo int's, etc, etc.  If he could ever get out of his own way, he could be very good...

While his numbers havent been huge this year, I do think Dez has somewhat turned a corner - even since the season started. I think his route running has improved since last year noticeably, but most importantly I think Romo finally trusts him. He was solid his first couple years, but it was weird to see Romo not lock on or target Dez like you would expect him too - even with guys like Austin and Witten. I shouldnt even say lock on because Romo would ignore him for quarters or halves at a time seemingly. I think thats changed this year and especially in the past month, and I think Dez has risen to the task based on what Ive seen. Now that Romo is consistently looking towards him, the mental lapses have appeared to decrease IMO. You cant blame the last game on Dez at all, if for any reason because many other players were more responsible.

No, he isnt quite performing like AJ Green this early in his career, but Id be excited for his future as long as he keeps his head on straight based on what Ive seen thus far.

Big win for my Steelers after overcoming some horrific officiating in the first half! Victor Cruz was briefly out of the game with bruised ribs on a play that was called helmet to helmet, that makes sense right? The running game has really got on track, Todd Haley doing a great job!

Quote from: ManNamedTruth on Nov 04, 2012, 07:39 PM
Big win for my Steelers after overcoming some horrific officiating in the first half! Victor Cruz was briefly out of the game with bruised ribs on a play that was called helmet to helmet, that makes sense right? The running game has really got on track, Todd Haley doing a great job!

I thought the fake FG did ya'll in, but it didn't. Mike Wallace is not slow. Terrible officiating as I am sure they were told the Giants needed a win b/c of Sandy

Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Nov 04, 2012, 08:08 PM

Quote from: ManNamedTruth on Nov 04, 2012, 07:39 PM
Big win for my Steelers after overcoming some horrific officiating in the first half! Victor Cruz was briefly out of the game with bruised ribs on a play that was called helmet to helmet, that makes sense right? The running game has really got on track, Todd Haley doing a great job!

I thought the fake FG did ya'll in, but it didn't. Mike Wallace is not slow. Terrible officiating as I am sure they were told the Giants needed a win b/c of Sandy

This is officially the first time Ive ever agreed with everything youve said  :bath:

Holy shit, Kaepernick looked great last night!   :thumbsup:

Quote from: walterfredo on Nov 20, 2012, 12:43 PM
Holy shit, Kaepernick looked great last night!   :thumbsup:

I didn't notice.   I was too busy watching the Smith Bros.  (Both from Mizzou by the way) wreak treamendous amounts of havoc in the backfield!   Aldon is a monster.

http://forum.mymorningjacket.com/index.php/topic,12548.msg202383.html#msg202383 (http://forum.mymorningjacket.com/index.php/topic,12548.msg202383.html#msg202383)

Quote from: BH on Nov 20, 2012, 04:59 PM

Quote from: walterfredo on Nov 20, 2012, 12:43 PM
Holy shit, Kaepernick looked great last night!   :thumbsup:

I didn't notice.   I was too busy watching the Smith Bros.  (Both from Mizzou by the way) wreak treamendous amounts of havoc in the backfield!   Aldon is a monster.

http://forum.mymorningjacket.com/index.php/topic,12548.msg202383.html#msg202383 (http://forum.mymorningjacket.com/index.php/topic,12548.msg202383.html#msg202383)

Those guys are pretty damn good.  Although the Bears O-line makes everyone look good.  My Bears are in free fall.  I wanna up chuck.

I will admit, as a lifelong 49ers fan living in Chicago, I had some worries going into the game yesterday. I was getting so much grief from friends out here about how the Bears were going to beat up on Kaepernick and how their defense was so much better than ours!

Nice to see us show up and basically just bully the Bears. I can't remember the Bears defensive players looking so dumbfounded this year as much as they did last night. All around great effort by the Niners. Great play by our linebacker, hell seeing Bowman run down on punt coverage and tackling Hester for a loss was a trip. And what can I say about Kaepernick, it's nice to have two quarterbacks this year!

CHIMMJFAN

Quote from: CHIMMJFAN on Nov 20, 2012, 08:54 PM
I will admit, as a lifelong 49ers fan living in Chicago, I had some worries going into the game yesterday. I was getting so much grief from friends out here about how the Bears were going to beat up on Kaepernick and how their defense was so much better than ours!

Nice to see us show up and basically just bully the Bears. I can't remember the Bears defensive players looking so dumbfounded this year as much as they did last night. All around great effort by the Niners. Great play by our linebacker, hell seeing Bowman run down on punt coverage and tackling Hester for a loss was a trip. And what can I say about Kaepernick, it's nice to have two quarterbacks this year!

CHIMMJFAN

I was at the game on Monday night w/ great seats at the 50, but all the way at the top of the stadium.  It was obvious that the Bears game plan was to put 8-9 in the box and 1 deep safety and dare Kaepernick to throw.  When it was obvious that Kaepernick was up to the task, the Bears never adjusted and by the time they did, it was way too late.  Don't think anyone else will make that mistake again. 

By the way, it's quite a brewing story out here, but I think Smith deserves to stay the starter.  But I bet Vernon Davis disagrees with me. 

Quote from: ItBeats4Jew on Nov 21, 2012, 01:41 PM

Quote from: CHIMMJFAN on Nov 20, 2012, 08:54 PM
I will admit, as a lifelong 49ers fan living in Chicago, I had some worries going into the game yesterday. I was getting so much grief from friends out here about how the Bears were going to beat up on Kaepernick and how their defense was so much better than ours!

Nice to see us show up and basically just bully the Bears. I can't remember the Bears defensive players looking so dumbfounded this year as much as they did last night. All around great effort by the Niners. Great play by our linebacker, hell seeing Bowman run down on punt coverage and tackling Hester for a loss was a trip. And what can I say about Kaepernick, it's nice to have two quarterbacks this year!

CHIMMJFAN

I was at the game on Monday night w/ great seats at the 50, but all the way at the top of the stadium.  It was obvious that the Bears game plan was to put 8-9 in the box and 1 deep safety and dare Kaepernick to throw.  When it was obvious that Kaepernick was up to the task, the Bears never adjusted and by the time they did, it was way too late.  Don't think anyone else will make that mistake again. 

By the way, it's quite a brewing story out here, but I think Smith deserves to stay the starter.  But I bet Vernon Davis disagrees with me.

Pretty on point jew although you guys ran successfully as well when the Bears loaded the box and as you said, the Bears adjusted much too late.  Just like when the Ravens got trounced by the Texans, for Bears fans, don't read too much into it and move on.

As for Kaepernick, I don't see the big deal because he was getting a few snaps anyways.  He seems to have the total package except for that hitchy throwing motion that seems a little elongated.  Kinda reminds me of Kerry Collins' release.

Quote from: Ruckus on Nov 21, 2012, 03:04 PM

Quote from: ItBeats4Jew on Nov 21, 2012, 01:41 PM

Quote from: CHIMMJFAN on Nov 20, 2012, 08:54 PM
I will admit, as a lifelong 49ers fan living in Chicago, I had some worries going into the game yesterday. I was getting so much grief from friends out here about how the Bears were going to beat up on Kaepernick and how their defense was so much better than ours!

Nice to see us show up and basically just bully the Bears. I can't remember the Bears defensive players looking so dumbfounded this year as much as they did last night. All around great effort by the Niners. Great play by our linebacker, hell seeing Bowman run down on punt coverage and tackling Hester for a loss was a trip. And what can I say about Kaepernick, it's nice to have two quarterbacks this year!

CHIMMJFAN

I was at the game on Monday night w/ great seats at the 50, but all the way at the top of the stadium.  It was obvious that the Bears game plan was to put 8-9 in the box and 1 deep safety and dare Kaepernick to throw.  When it was obvious that Kaepernick was up to the task, the Bears never adjusted and by the time they did, it was way too late.  Don't think anyone else will make that mistake again. 

By the way, it's quite a brewing story out here, but I think Smith deserves to stay the starter.  But I bet Vernon Davis disagrees with me.

Pretty on point jew although you guys ran successfully as well when the Bears loaded the box and as you said, the Bears adjusted much too late.  Just like when the Ravens got trounced by the Texans, for Bears fans, don't read too much into it and move on.

As for Kaepernick, I don't see the big deal because he was getting a few snaps anyways.  He seems to have the total package except for that hitchy throwing motion that seems a little elongated.  Kinda reminds me of Kerry Collins' release.

Ruckus, the Niners and I are definitely not "you guys".  I'm a Giants fan (originally from North Jerz).  Couldn't pass up a free ticket  :thumbsup:

Quote from: Ruckus on Nov 21, 2012, 03:04 PM

Quote from: ItBeats4Jew on Nov 21, 2012, 01:41 PM

Quote from: CHIMMJFAN on Nov 20, 2012, 08:54 PM
I will admit, as a lifelong 49ers fan living in Chicago, I had some worries going into the game yesterday. I was getting so much grief from friends out here about how the Bears were going to beat up on Kaepernick and how their defense was so much better than ours!

Nice to see us show up and basically just bully the Bears. I can't remember the Bears defensive players looking so dumbfounded this year as much as they did last night. All around great effort by the Niners. Great play by our linebacker, hell seeing Bowman run down on punt coverage and tackling Hester for a loss was a trip. And what can I say about Kaepernick, it's nice to have two quarterbacks this year!

CHIMMJFAN

I was at the game on Monday night w/ great seats at the 50, but all the way at the top of the stadium.  It was obvious that the Bears game plan was to put 8-9 in the box and 1 deep safety and dare Kaepernick to throw.  When it was obvious that Kaepernick was up to the task, the Bears never adjusted and by the time they did, it was way too late.  Don't think anyone else will make that mistake again. 

By the way, it's quite a brewing story out here, but I think Smith deserves to stay the starter.  But I bet Vernon Davis disagrees with me.

Pretty on point jew although you guys ran successfully as well when the Bears loaded the box and as you said, the Bears adjusted much too late.  Just like when the Ravens got trounced by the Texans, for Bears fans, don't read too much into it and move on.

As for Kaepernick, I don't see the big deal because he was getting a few snaps anyways.  He seems to have the total package except for that hitchy throwing motion that seems a little elongated.  Kinda reminds me of Kerry Collins' release.

Was never a huge Smith Fan, overrated comming out of Utah and hasn't been anything but a below average qb until last year when he was slightly above average.

Kaepernick has way more upside IMO, plus a better arm IIRC from his days at Nevada.  I always say play the best whoever that may be, just like Seattle after signing Flynn.

Quote from: ItBeats4Jew on Nov 21, 2012, 01:41 PM

Quote from: CHIMMJFAN on Nov 20, 2012, 08:54 PM
I will admit, as a lifelong 49ers fan living in Chicago, I had some worries going into the game yesterday. I was getting so much grief from friends out here about how the Bears were going to beat up on Kaepernick and how their defense was so much better than ours!

Nice to see us show up and basically just bully the Bears. I can't remember the Bears defensive players looking so dumbfounded this year as much as they did last night. All around great effort by the Niners. Great play by our linebacker, hell seeing Bowman run down on punt coverage and tackling Hester for a loss was a trip. And what can I say about Kaepernick, it's nice to have two quarterbacks this year!

CHIMMJFAN

I was at the game on Monday night w/ great seats at the 50, but all the way at the top of the stadium.  It was obvious that the Bears game plan was to put 8-9 in the box and 1 deep safety and dare Kaepernick to throw.  When it was obvious that Kaepernick was up to the task, the Bears never adjusted and by the time they did, it was way too late.  Don't think anyone else will make that mistake again. 

By the way, it's quite a brewing story out here, but I think Smith deserves to stay the starter.  But I bet Vernon Davis disagrees with me.

Yeah I knew going into the game that Harbaugh and Greg Roman were going to pretty much run the same offense. Once Kaepernick had some early success with his passes, that only solidified the offensive gameplan. I agree it was too late for the Bears to adjust appropriately.
As for the Smith vs. Kaepernick debate, I'm fine either way. It looks as though Kaepernick will get the nod this weekend against the Saints. This gives him a road game against a team playing very well as of late. We can see what he does in this type of environment.
Not sure if Smith is fully healthy yet from that concussion. I think he is and the team knows he is such a "team" guy that they can bench him, with the possibility if Kapernick struggles that they put Smith back in.
Smith has been playing very well this year. The things that obviously are different is that he won't push the limit. He won't take a lot of shots down the field. I think (of course with only really one game to compare) Smith does not make his reads as fast as Kaepernick does.
Should be fun to see what happens this Sunday!
CHIMMJFAN

I didn't get a chance to watch the Pats v. Jets game from last night until this afternoon. Somehow, my Dad and I managed to avoid all press and score reports before firing up the DVR today.

What a 2nd quarter!  Two blow outs in two games 4 days apart, with Gronk out with a broken arm and Gostowski blowing another "easy" kick.  Our (3) losses have all been close.  I'm pretty happy with New England this year.  A balanced running game and great receiving corp.  Of course, special teams and defensive rookies stepping up didn't hurt.  The Pats definitely still know how to fuck up and lose, but they are great at capitalizing on others' mistakes, too. 


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CFL's Toronto Argos just won the 100th Grey Cup versus the Calgary Stampeders! And I see my NY Giants are kicking GB butt right now too! Great night all-round... other than my Raptors losing another heartbreaker in 2-OT.

The Saints have a do or die game against the Falcons Thursday. I thought the 49ers might beat us but didn't imagine it happening with 2 pick 6's.

And where has THAT Giants team been all year?

DISRESPECTFUL JETS FANS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4xGGgz5TcI#ws)

Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Nov 28, 2012, 12:06 PM
DISRESPECTFUL JETS FANS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4xGGgz5TcI#ws)

I didn't think that was bad at all and rather tame for Jets fans.  In fact the lack of cursing was a clear indicator of them acting thankful on Thanksgiving.  I said much worse things to the TV I think.  They deserved it and then some.

I'm so glad ESPN spent so much time shoving the Jets down our throats during the pre-season?!  What a freaking train wreck they are.

Here's something that made me laugh.  Yesterday, some Stiller fan wrote a letter to the ESPN Cleveland sports radio station crying about how she was mistreated during the Browns/Stillers game on Sunday.  Did I mention the game was IN Cleveland???  So sorry you weren't able to enjoy yourself like you typically have at Heinz Field North in years past and the Browns finally kicked your Stillers' asses!   :grin:

I know it wasn't really and ass kicking as the Browns needed 6 turnovers and a 3rd string qb and still only won by 6, but when you've lost 17 of the last 18 games to that damn team, you take a WIN any way you can get it!!!   :beer:

I will say this though, the Browns did take it to the Stillers physically like I haven't seen in a loooong time.  Yes the Stillers turned the ball over a ton, but many of those fumbles were because the Browns were forcing them...

The Browns still suck, that's all I got to say.

The Browns record overall may suck, but I can definitely see things that are showing me signs of this team improving.

Point being, the Browns have lost 8 games to date.  Of those 8 games, 7 of the eight losses have been by 10 points or less, 5 of the eight games have been by a touchdown or less and their worst loss of the season is just a 14 point loss at the defending Super Bowl Champion NY Giants.  The average margin of defeat in their 8 losses is just 7 points per loss.  A break here or there and the Browns could have as good or better of a record than the Stillers.

The Browns might not be there yet, but they are definitely showing signs of life.  And couple that with the very good chance of Stillers missing the playoffs and I will be a happy man...  :cool:

Quote from: iLikeBeer on Nov 28, 2012, 03:24 PM


The Browns might not be there yet, but they are definitely showing signs of life.  And couple that with the very good chance of Stillers missing the playoffs and I will be a happy man...  :cool:

:thumbsup:

Quote from: iLikeBeer on Nov 28, 2012, 03:24 PM
The Browns record overall may suck, but I can definitely see things that are showing me signs of this team improving.

Point being, the Browns have lost 8 games to date.  Of those 8 games, 7 of the eight losses have been by 10 points or less, 5 of the eight games have been by a touchdown or less and their worst loss of the season is just a 14 point loss at the defending Super Bowl Champion NY Giants.  The average margin of defeat in their 8 losses is just 7 points per loss.  A break here or there and the Browns could have as good or better of a record than the Stillers.

The Browns might not be there yet, but they are definitely showing signs of life.  And couple that with the very good chance of Stillers missing the playoffs and I will be a happy man...  :cool:

Richardson is a beast and the Defense is good, but not sold on the old man Weeden, I just don't see him getting it done in this league.  Mccoy might actually be better than him, just saying.

Im loving this QB controversy in SF. I think SF and Harbaugh are making the right decision with Kaepernicus.

The NFC is so loaded offensively, I dont think SF can win a SB/get by all of GB, ATL, NYG, etc. I think gambling with Kaep is the right call. Smith has been quite good, but I think Kaep really increases their chances of a SB win, or even getting there.

Quote from: manonthemoon on Nov 28, 2012, 08:47 PM
Richardson is a beast and the Defense is good, but not sold on the old man Weeden, I just don't see him getting it done in this league.  Mccoy might actually be better than him, just saying.

Agreed.  I love Richardson.  Many were skeptical about the Browns trading up to get a running back, including one Jim Brown, but Richardson has done well to make those skeptics eat their words. 

I'm not sold on Weedon just yet.  But I'm also not convinced he's getting the best coaching.  He's got like 4 coaches telling him what to do and IMO, that can cause information overload for a rookie, old or not.  That said, I wouldn't go as far as to say McCoy is a better option at this point.  McCoy has a noodle for an arm and there are throws that Weedon can make that McCoy can only dream of making.  Also, don't forget, his favorite target is a rookie and their other leading recievers are another rookie and a 2nd year player.  Right now, I'm willing to stick with Weedon as I don't want to see the Browns spend yet another high draft pick on another QB and, quite frankly, I don't see this upcoming draft class as having too many QB's worthy of a high draft pick.  So I'm willing to give Weedon at least one more season to see if he can show signs of improvement.

Quote from: capt. scotty on Nov 28, 2012, 09:55 PM
Im loving this QB controversy in SF. I think SF and Harbaugh are making the right decision with Kaepernicus.

The NFC is so loaded offensively, I dont think SF can win a SB/get by all of GB, ATL, NYG, etc. I think gambling with Kaep is the right call. Smith has been quite good, but I think Kaep really increases their chances of a SB win, or even getting there.

I don't know if I agree with the decision and I'm wondering how the SF locker room is handling it?  I mean, you have a guy that led this team to a 14-2 record and a trip to the NFC Championship game a year ago and he has done nothing this year to show cause for concern.  And now you're handing the riegns over to a rookie who has made all of 2 NFL starts because Smith sufferred a concussion?  Had he not sufferred that concussion, would Kaepernick have even sniffed the field?  I'm wondering what kind of a leader Smith was.  Obviously he must not be much of one for Harbaugh to be able to make this decision in the middle of a season where his team is winning?! 

Personally, I think this has more to do with money than anything else.  I heard yesterday that Smith is due a $7 million bonus due next April if he is still with the team.  Harbaugh sees Kaepernick as a way to save the Niners some money towards the cap and go with a younger QB with more upside than an aging Smith.  I can't blame Harbaugh for making the decision he made, but at the same time, I just think it was kind of a dick move to bench the guy that took this team to the brink of the Super Bowl a year ago and had them poised to make another run this season?!

And that opens another can of worms.  Players are going to look at this situation and suddenly thoughts of playing through concussions because they don't want to risk losing their starting job will become more and more prevalent.  Hell, Brandon Weedon of the Browns sufferred a concussion late in their game with the Stillers last week and guess what?  He's been cleared to play by team doctors this week.  Was he really cleared or does he not want to give McCoy a chance to outshine him on the football field?

Quote from: iLikeBeer on Nov 29, 2012, 09:24 AM

Quote from: capt. scotty on Nov 28, 2012, 09:55 PM
Im loving this QB controversy in SF. I think SF and Harbaugh are making the right decision with Kaepernicus.

The NFC is so loaded offensively, I dont think SF can win a SB/get by all of GB, ATL, NYG, etc. I think gambling with Kaep is the right call. Smith has been quite good, but I think Kaep really increases their chances of a SB win, or even getting there.

I don't know if I agree with the decision and I'm wondering how the SF locker room is handling it?  I mean, you have a guy that led this team to a 14-2 record and a trip to the NFC Championship game a year ago and he has done nothing this year to show cause for concern.  And now you're handing the riegns over to a rookie who has made all of 2 NFL starts because Smith sufferred a concussion?  Had he not sufferred that concussion, would Kaepernick have even sniffed the field?  I'm wondering what kind of a leader Smith was.  Obviously he must not be much of one for Harbaugh to be able to make this decision in the middle of a season where his team is winning?! 

Personally, I think this has more to do with money than anything else.  I heard yesterday that Smith is due a $7 million bonus due next April if he is still with the team.  Harbaugh sees Kaepernick as a way to save the Niners some money towards the cap and go with a younger QB with more upside than an aging Smith.  I can't blame Harbaugh for making the decision he made, but at the same time, I just think it was kind of a dick move to bench the guy that took this team to the brink of the Super Bowl a year ago and had them poised to make another run this season?!

And that opens another can of worms.  Players are going to look at this situation and suddenly thoughts of playing through concussions because they don't want to risk losing their starting job will become more and more prevalent.  Hell, Brandon Weedon of the Browns sufferred a concussion late in their game with the Stillers last week and guess what?  He's been cleared to play by team doctors this week.  Was he really cleared or does he not want to give McCoy a chance to outshine him on the football field?

I agree with Scotty.  Alex Smith did not lead the niners to the brink of the Super BOwl last year.  He played efficiently and OK.  They have the leagues best D and O Line.  I would hope that he could used those parts to 'lead' a winning team.  Harbaugh made Alex Smith respectable.  I don't like Harbaugh but I give him credit for having the balls to do something considered taboo for no rational reason in professional sports, that you don't lose your starting job to injury.  Besides, Kapernicus was getting in for more and more snaps in different packages prior to Smith being concussed. 

I think the big thing is that Harbaugh loves his ability to run.  With that D, all the team needs to do is control clock and take the occasional shot downfield.  With Kapernicus, Harbaugh gets to tinker with so many more play options and packages.  Although Vernon Davis was shutout last week, just the fact that all linebackers have to hold on all zone read play actions with the DE having to stay honest, Kaepernick can have time every time to find Davis one on one down the field.  I think it's just more fun for Harbaugh to work from a much larger and exciting playbook.

Quote from: iLikeBeer on Nov 29, 2012, 09:10 AM

Quote from: manonthemoon on Nov 28, 2012, 08:47 PM
Richardson is a beast and the Defense is good, but not sold on the old man Weeden, I just don't see him getting it done in this league.  Mccoy might actually be better than him, just saying.

Agreed.  I love Richardson.  Many were skeptical about the Browns trading up to get a running back, including one Jim Brown, but Richardson has done well to make those skeptics eat their words. 

I'm not sold on Weedon just yet.  But I'm also not convinced he's getting the best coaching.  He's got like 4 coaches telling him what to do and IMO, that can cause information overload for a rookie, old or not.  That said, I wouldn't go as far as to say McCoy is a better option at this point.  McCoy has a noodle for an arm and there are throws that Weedon can make that McCoy can only dream of making.  Also, don't forget, his favorite target is a rookie and their other leading recievers are another rookie and a 2nd year player.  Right now, I'm willing to stick with Weedon as I don't want to see the Browns spend yet another high draft pick on another QB and, quite frankly, I don't see this upcoming draft class as having too many QB's worthy of a high draft pick.  So I'm willing to give Weedon at least one more season to see if he can show signs of improvement.

Yeah, I havent really seen him play much, but Weeden's numbers have been impressive for a rookie who really shouldnt have been a 1st rounder. I liked him at Okie St, and while I dont see him being a top 10 QB, I can see him taking CLE to the playoffs behind a team based on Trent and a continually improving D. I think what he really needs is more receiving weapons. Love what Ive seen from Josh Gordon, I think he has the skills to be a #1 NFL WR, but they need more. Liked Little a lot coming out of UNC, but he looks more like an average slot WR at this point. Gotta get Weeden more.

The right call is Kapernick as the kid has lots of talent, remember seeing him at Nevada and he wwas talented then.  Smith has always been overrated, wasn't great at Utah and then became a #1 overall pick somehow.  He's your typical game manager qb, but in todays NFL you need someone who can make a play or two when the game is on the line, even with the great running game and awesome D.

Weeden might be better than any of the options this year in the draft, but at this point Wilson is out playing him as well.  Plus with a new regime comming into town the leash will be short I am sure.

Quote from: Ruckus on Nov 29, 2012, 12:52 PM

Quote from: iLikeBeer on Nov 29, 2012, 09:24 AM

Quote from: capt. scotty on Nov 28, 2012, 09:55 PM
Im loving this QB controversy in SF. I think SF and Harbaugh are making the right decision with Kaepernicus.

The NFC is so loaded offensively, I dont think SF can win a SB/get by all of GB, ATL, NYG, etc. I think gambling with Kaep is the right call. Smith has been quite good, but I think Kaep really increases their chances of a SB win, or even getting there.

I don't know if I agree with the decision and I'm wondering how the SF locker room is handling it?  I mean, you have a guy that led this team to a 14-2 record and a trip to the NFC Championship game a year ago and he has done nothing this year to show cause for concern.  And now you're handing the riegns over to a rookie who has made all of 2 NFL starts because Smith sufferred a concussion?  Had he not sufferred that concussion, would Kaepernick have even sniffed the field?  I'm wondering what kind of a leader Smith was.  Obviously he must not be much of one for Harbaugh to be able to make this decision in the middle of a season where his team is winning?! 

Personally, I think this has more to do with money than anything else.  I heard yesterday that Smith is due a $7 million bonus due next April if he is still with the team.  Harbaugh sees Kaepernick as a way to save the Niners some money towards the cap and go with a younger QB with more upside than an aging Smith.  I can't blame Harbaugh for making the decision he made, but at the same time, I just think it was kind of a dick move to bench the guy that took this team to the brink of the Super Bowl a year ago and had them poised to make another run this season?!

And that opens another can of worms.  Players are going to look at this situation and suddenly thoughts of playing through concussions because they don't want to risk losing their starting job will become more and more prevalent.  Hell, Brandon Weedon of the Browns sufferred a concussion late in their game with the Stillers last week and guess what?  He's been cleared to play by team doctors this week.  Was he really cleared or does he not want to give McCoy a chance to outshine him on the football field?

I agree with Scotty.  Alex Smith did not lead the niners to the brink of the Super BOwl last year.  He played efficiently and OK.  They have the leagues best D and O Line.  I would hope that he could used those parts to 'lead' a winning team.  Harbaugh made Alex Smith respectable.  I don't like Harbaugh but I give him credit for having the balls to do something considered taboo for no rational reason in professional sports, that you don't lose your starting job to injury.  Besides, Kapernicus was getting in for more and more snaps in different packages prior to Smith being concussed. 

I think the big thing is that Harbaugh loves his ability to run.  With that D, all the team needs to do is control clock and take the occasional shot downfield.  With Kapernicus, Harbaugh gets to tinker with so many more play options and packages.  Although Vernon Davis was shutout last week, just the fact that all linebackers have to hold on all zone read play actions with the DE having to stay honest, Kaepernick can have time every time to find Davis one on one down the field.  I think it's just more fun for Harbaugh to work from a much larger and exciting playbook.

Exactly. Alex Smith was an afterthought his entire career and considered a bust until last year. I will give Smith some credit for a great playoff game vs NO in the playoffs last year, but that D was pretty horrid as well. The comeback/late back and forth was why it was so great. SF clearly has a great team surrounding the QB (although Id say average receiving options overall), but more importantly I think Harbaugh is a great QB coach. I wont give him all the credit for Luck, but no doubt in my mind he accelerated his progression into an NFL caliber QB while he was still in college - Luck's talent and intelligence also key there. Then he gets to the NFL and turns Smith into an elite game manager, which is really the best anyone could do. Almost positive I posted earlier in the year in here how I cant stand Harbaugh as well, but he is pretty clearly an excellent coach.

Then there's the fact that Smith was the last regime's (hell, more than that, Nolan era) guy and Harbaugh traded up for Kaepernicus. I think the writing was on the wall with how well he has played since Smith went out. Now I think he made a few questionable decisions vs NO last week, but literally only 2 or 3 and one was a muffed snap. His ability to extend the play and his pocket presence already looks very good. Kap has yet to be sacked in 2.5 games. Since becoming starter, he's barely even displayed his running ability (which makes me get flashbacks to that Boise St/Nevada game in 2010 when Kap upset undefeated Boise). I disagree with ILB that this is a salary cap move (which it is often), they had an idea of what Kap can do and now they have an even better one.

I read this article below the other day which I'll paste key points of that also paints a great picture IMO of why Kap is the better option and gives them a higher ceiling. And really, outside of Gore getting older, this team has a lot to look forward to. Even if they dont win it all this year, it gives Kap a ton of meaningful playing time and things to learn from.





Article:

2012    Niners QBs Under Duress
QB                        Smith      Kaepernick
Pct. of attempts     8.8        23.0
Comp.-att.             4-19       9-17
Yards/att.               1.2        8.0
Throwaway pct.      42.1       17.7
Total QBR                17.4       73.5

Kaepernick and former starter Alex Smith have been under duress a similar number of times this season, even though Smith has 2.5 times as many action plays. That is because Kaepernick has held the ball 4.1 seconds following the snap on average, the highest figure in the NFL. The extra time Kaepernick holds the ball leads to more snaps under duress.

Kaepernick averages 8.0 yards per pass attempt in these situations. Smith averages 1.2 yards per attempt.

Smith ranks third behind Tom Brady and Peyton Manning in Total QBR (79.2) and seventh in NFL passer rating (101.8) when he delivers the ball within 3.4 seconds (his average). He ranks only 19th in QBR (26.7) on the other plays largely because he has taken 21 sacks on them.

Sacks very much count during games, of course. Smith has taken more of them since the start of the 2011 season (68) than every player but Aaron Rodgers (73), who has 280 additional action plays over that span. Rodgers also has a 73-13 ratio of touchdowns to interceptions during that time (30-10 for Smith).

Quote from: manonthemoon on Nov 29, 2012, 09:20 PM
Weeden might be better than any of the options this year in the draft, but at this point Wilson is out playing him as well.  Plus with a new regime comming into town the leash will be short I am sure.

Do you mean Weeden in better than any of the guys entering the 2013 draft?? Obviously Weeden wasnt and isnt a better option than Luck and RG3.

Speaking of which, cant wait to see Luck and RG3's careers progress. Really hope RG3 stays healthy, and both guys D's are good enough to give them SB shots - which isnt close to the case now as both of their D's are terrible.

Quote from: capt. scotty on Nov 29, 2012, 09:51 PM

Quote from: manonthemoon on Nov 29, 2012, 09:20 PM
Weeden might be better than any of the options this year in the draft, but at this point Wilson is out playing him as well.  Plus with a new regime comming into town the leash will be short I am sure.

Do you mean Weeden in better than any of the guys entering the 2013 draft?? Obviously Weeden wasnt and isnt a better option than Luck and RG3.

Speaking of which, cant wait to see Luck and RG3's careers progress. Really hope RG3 stays healthy, and both guys D's are good enough to give them SB shots - which isnt close to the case now as both of their D's are terrible.

I think he meant this upcoming draft.  Wilson may be outplaying Weedon, but I would also argue that the Seahawks overall team is better than the Browns.  Put Wilson on the Browns and I don't think he's putting up the numbers Weedon has. 

Scotty, I agree with you about getting Weedon more weapons.  Gordon has definitely been a pleasant surprise for someone who was drafted in the middle of the summer in the suplemental draft.  He is going to be a good one.  I think Little can be a good #2 or #3 reciever and Benjamin is so fast, once he gets some more experience, he will be a tough matchup as well.  Mo Mass is a dissapointment and someone I thought could develop into a solid NFL receiver but he's just sufferred too many concussions and now I think he hears too many footsteps.  Compared to where the Browns receiving corps is now to where they were the last couple of years, I'd say they are on their way, but still need to add one or two more pieces to make them lethal to go along with TRich in the backfield!

The new regime will definitely be something to keep an eye on.  I haven't been completely sold on Shurmur but at the same time, his team seems to be buying into him or else they would have quit on him a long time ago.  One thing I will have to give Shurmur credit for is that his team does play hard for him and he does have a win over the Stillers now on his resume which is not something a lot of former Browns coaches can equal.  I'm just torn because I'm not convinced Shurmur is the man for the job, but at the same time, do I really want to go through the headache of watching this team wallow for another 3-4 years through another coaching change?  It will be interesting to see what the new owner's approach is.

Don't like the Steelers but couldn't help but feel good for Charlie Batch.

So, did Kaep come back down to earth a little yesterday?  He accounted for 8 of the Rams 16 points in the Niners loss to St. Louis...

Quote from: iLikeBeer on Dec 03, 2012, 10:25 AM
So, did Kaep come back down to earth a little yesterday?  He accounted for 8 of the Rams 16 points in the Niners loss to St. Louis...

:grin:
Makes for a great story eh?  The plot thickens.  That pitch was terrible but Teddy Ginn sure could have tried to fall on the ball.  Ya gotta stick with da Kaep

i mean, who calls that play backed up at your own 10 yard line?  not Greg Roman's finest hour. 

Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Dec 03, 2012, 08:39 AM
Don't like the Steelers but couldn't help but feel good for Charlie Batch.

Same. When they showed him hugging on the sideline, I felt feelings.

Quote from: iLikeBeer on Dec 03, 2012, 10:25 AM
So, did Kaep come back down to earth a little yesterday?  He accounted for 8 of the Rams 16 points in the Niners loss to St. Louis...

Ultimately a couple of tough plays for Kapernick:
1. High pitch to Ginn Jr. at the 10 yard line (have no clue why that play was called and why Ginn Jr. didn't just fall on it).
2. Kaepernick had an opportunity to stay in bounds at the end of the game to force St. Louis to call their last time out. (Clock management error on Colin's part, something he will hopefully learn from).

The safety play still drives me crazy, (per league rule, if in the endzone and a qb is out of the pocket, as long as the ball makes it to or past the line of scrimmage even if the ball travels out of bounds past the line of scrimmage....then no intentional ground and no safety).

Rams play SF tough, but if Delanie Walker doesnt drop a perfectly thrown ball in the endzone at the end of the game, I think everyone is talking about what great poise and comeback ability Kapernick has after his errant high pitch to Ginn Jr.

CHIMMJFAN

Quote from: Ruckus on Dec 03, 2012, 12:11 PM

Quote from: iLikeBeer on Dec 03, 2012, 10:25 AM
So, did Kaep come back down to earth a little yesterday?  He accounted for 8 of the Rams 16 points in the Niners loss to St. Louis...

:grin:
Makes for a great story eh?  The plot thickens.  That pitch was terrible but Teddy Ginn sure could have tried to fall on the ball.  Ya gotta stick with da Kaep

Harbaugh called the play, and a dumb call at that.

Im still all for Kaepernicus....if he really shits the bed the next couple weeks then bring in Smith, but STL played them tough while Smith was still around so this divisional game doesnt surprise me

Quote from: joey_rogo on Dec 03, 2012, 12:25 PM

Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Dec 03, 2012, 08:39 AM
Don't like the Steelers but couldn't help but feel good for Charlie Batch.

Same. When they showed him hugging on the sideline, I felt feelings.

I was cursing Charlie in the 1st half, but overall he played a nice game. Cant wait to have Benny back though!!

Quote from: capt. scotty on Dec 04, 2012, 11:36 PM

Quote from: joey_rogo on Dec 03, 2012, 12:25 PM

Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Dec 03, 2012, 08:39 AM
Don't like the Steelers but couldn't help but feel good for Charlie Batch.

Same. When they showed him hugging on the sideline, I felt feelings.

I was cursing Charlie in the 1st half, but overall he played a nice game. Cant wait to have Benny back though!!

Can he wait to come back until after the Browns play your Stillers again???   :tongue:   :wink:   :beer:

Houston, you have a problem.


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Man, quite an ass kicking taking place in Foxboro.  :rolleyes:

Yup.

Quote from: johnnYYac on Dec 16, 2012, 10:56 PM
Yup.

I think the 9ers forgot who they are playing

Yup.

Quote from: johnnYYac on Dec 16, 2012, 11:29 PM
Yup.

Yup.

Kaepernicus for the win

Yup.

I don't know why, but watching the Gmen get savagely raped yesterday didn't bother me as much as I thought it would. I guess I'm used to their inconsistency now. The roller coaster ride contunies. Even though they are a divisional rival, I will totally jump on the Washington bandwagon if they make it and the Giants don't.

Quote from: joey_rogo on Dec 17, 2012, 08:28 AM
I don't know why, but watching the Gmen get savagely raped yesterday didn't bother me as much as I thought it would. I guess I'm used to their inconsistency now. The roller coaster ride contunies. Even though they are a divisional rival, I will totally jump on the Washington bandwagon if they make it and the Giants don't.

come on joey, as a Giants fan, this cannot be in your DNA to root for Washington.  how about getting on board w/ Seattle or the Bengals or something. 

Big match up next Sunday for the 9ers and Seahawks. 2 of the coaches I like least, however, Carroll wins for being classless (as we knew anyway from his USC days) with his fake punt yesterday against the Bills, up 47-17 with 12 minutes left in the game.

Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Dec 17, 2012, 01:04 PM
Big match up next Sunday for the 9ers and Seahawks. 2 of the coaches I like least, however, Carroll wins for being classless (as we knew anyway from his USC days) with his fake punt yesterday against the Bills, up 47-17 with 12 minutes left in the game.

hopefully we'll be treated to more of this:

"What's YOUR Deal?" - Harbaugh and Carroll After 2009 Stanford-USC Game (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeS3VeluAmg#)

Wow do I hate the Seacocks!!!!! I really hope the 49ers and Kaep can go in there and overcome the 12th man. Pete Carroll and his running up the points on teams hopefully comes to a stop! Plus we really need to lockdown the #2 spot in the NFC!

CHIMMJFAN

do it COLTS!

Quote from: Jackets N Pones on Dec 21, 2012, 07:05 PM
do it COLTS!

Hey Pones.  Was it you on the new forum that discussed with me the very good possibility of the Colts making the playoffs?!  Great season for you guys.  I've enjoyed rooting for Luck and it's been great to see vets like Wayne embrace him.

I say the Seahawks unload on Kap tonight!

Quote from: Ruckus on Dec 21, 2012, 07:21 PM

Quote from: Jackets N Pones on Dec 21, 2012, 07:05 PM
do it COLTS!

Hey Pones.  Was it you on the new forum that discussed with me the very good possibility of the Colts making the playoffs?!  Great season for you guys.  I've enjoyed rooting for Luck and it's been great to see vets like Wayne embrace him.

Yeah Ruckus that was me! Thanks for the kind words. This year has been a wild ride, and I hope the wins keep coming. I agree vets like Wayne and Redding have been crucial this year, especially with so many rookie starters. Can't wait for the showdown vs. JJ Swat and the Texans this weekend! Do it COLTS!

P.S. I really like the interview below with Luck. Cool to know he is a Springsteen fan.

http://www.colts.com/media-center/videos/WTHR-New-Breed-Andrew-Luck/4ad339ba-ef81-4223-bc2e-940e682c33c8 (http://www.colts.com/media-center/videos/WTHR-New-Breed-Andrew-Luck/4ad339ba-ef81-4223-bc2e-940e682c33c8)

Do it COLTS!

I simply like Marshawn Lynch more than I dislike Pete Carroll.  :undecided:

Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jan 06, 2013, 09:14 PM
I simply like Marshawn Lynch more than I dislike Pete Carroll.  :undecided:

I actually respect Pete Carroll a lot.  He's a hell of a coach and I wish he was with the Jets past his one 6-10 season.

I was yelling at the TV that Kirk Cousins should have been in the game since midway through the 2nd quarter.  Shanahan just didn't have the balls to do it at home.  Shame.  They had no chance with how gimpy RGIII was.  I just don't get it.

Quote from: Ruckus on Jan 06, 2013, 09:38 PM

Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jan 06, 2013, 09:14 PM
I simply like Marshawn Lynch more than I dislike Pete Carroll.  :undecided:

I actually respect Pete Carroll a lot.  He's a hell of a coach and I wish he was with the Jets past his one 6-10 season.

I was yelling at the TV that Kirk Cousins should have been in the game since midway through the 2nd quarter.  Shanahan just didn't have the balls to do it at home.  Shame.  They had no chance with how gimpy RGIII was.  I just don't get it.

I was thinking the same thing, especially with Dr. Andrews leaking that he didn't even evaluate RGIII when he was first injured and somehow the skins let him back into that game.

When they came out gashing the Hawks I thought it might be a blowout, but either Carroll and the d-coordinator did a good job at adjusting or Kyle blew his wad on the first 15 scripted plays and then forgot how to call plays.

I think I like the Hawks over ATL, not sold on Ryan or their defense.
Packers over 9ers
Hou over the Pats
Den over Bal

The tough thing for the Seahawks to overcome is their travel schedule.  They had to fly cross country to DC, then back to Seattle.  And now they get to make another long flight to ATL.  Plus the Falcons are working on a week of rest.

I think the Falcons will benefit from being the more rested team but I do think it would be hilarious to see Ryan lay another egg in the playoffs. 

Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jan 06, 2013, 09:14 PM
I simply like Marshawn Lynch more than I dislike Pete Carroll.  :undecided:

Marshawn is the man

Marshawn Lynch Ghostride The Whip! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpP2De1B_xs#)

Marshawn Lynch Chill Mode (1 of 2) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MnJbWPr3r0#)

Kenny Mayne With Marshawn Lynch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2uN28EJRlA#)

Quote from: manonthemoon on Jan 06, 2013, 10:35 PM

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Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jan 06, 2013, 09:14 PM
I simply like Marshawn Lynch more than I dislike Pete Carroll.  :undecided:

I actually respect Pete Carroll a lot.  He's a hell of a coach and I wish he was with the Jets past his one 6-10 season.

I was yelling at the TV that Kirk Cousins should have been in the game since midway through the 2nd quarter.  Shanahan just didn't have the balls to do it at home.  Shame.  They had no chance with how gimpy RGIII was.  I just don't get it.

I was thinking the same thing, especially with Dr. Andrews leaking that he didn't even evaluate RGIII when he was first injured and somehow the skins let him back into that game.

When they came out gashing the Hawks I thought it might be a blowout, but either Carroll and the d-coordinator did a good job at adjusting or Kyle blew his wad on the first 15 scripted plays and then forgot how to call plays.

I think I like the Hawks over ATL, not sold on Ryan or their defense.
Packers over 9ers
Hou over the Pats
Den over Bal

Houston over Pats?  bold call.  I just can't see it the way that Schaub has played over the last month.  And he did nothing on Saturday to make me rethink that opinion.  They won't be able to just ride Foster to victory.  Actually, if Dalton makes an accurate throw on that 3rd & 11 late in the game to a wide open AJ, then we're talking today about how Houston shit the bed...again. 

But if they pull off the upset, I'll be the first one in here to give up the props. 

Quote from: iLikeBeer on Jan 07, 2013, 10:40 AM
The tough thing for the Seahawks to overcome is their travel schedule.  They had to fly cross country to DC, then back to Seattle.  And now they get to make another long flight to ATL.  Plus the Falcons are working on a week of rest.

I think the Falcons will benefit from being the more rested team but I do think it would be hilarious to see Ryan lay another egg in the playoffs.

I would've agreed w/ this sentiment, but that was before I read this: "The Seahawks aren't just the most balanced team in football, they're one of the most balanced teams ever. Football Outsiders' DVOA ranked them fourth in offense, fourth in defense and third in special teams." (http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8813380/nfl-playoff-prognostications (http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8813380/nfl-playoff-prognostications))

Those rankings can been seen here: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/dvoa-ratings/2012/final-2012-dvoa-ratings (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/dvoa-ratings/2012/final-2012-dvoa-ratings)

When I see those rankings from 1991-2012, almost all of those teams either won or at least made the SB (I'm simultaneously laughing and fist-pumping at the #2 entry on that list.  That felt good.)  I'm not a big advanced metrics guy, but just the eye test tells me we may be headed for a NE/DEN v. SEA Super Bowl. 

Against odds, hoping for a 2nd round Denver loss which could bring the AFC championship to Foxboro... Where I gots tix!

C'mon Ravens!  Johnny wants to go to the AFC Championship!  Overtime...

Great game, always hate to see Ravens win though. Never thought I'd see Flacco outplay Manning, though how much of that was Denver's conservative play calling?

Game of the season perhaps??  :smiley:

Quote from: ManNamedTruth on Jan 12, 2013, 09:12 PM
Great game, always hate to see Ravens win though. Never thought I'd see Flacco outplay Manning, though how much of that was Denver's conservative play calling?

I think they play calling was pretty bad in the second half on for Denver.  Guess I'm going to be Ravens fan next week.

Kenny Mayne With Marshawn Lynch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2uN28EJRlA#)
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This is one of my favorite viral videos ever. He's an insane player though. I'd love to see them go all the way.

Wilson. Keapernick, RGIII, these young guys have changed pro football, probably for good. They make Michael Vick look like a pioneer, but not a champion. Somewhere in between is Cam Newton. He has plenty of time to reach the level of these other new guys. What a great day of football. How can you not root for Seattle, unless you are a true Falcons fan?

Quote from: rincon2 on Jan 13, 2013, 02:11 AM
Wilson. Keapernick, RGIII, these young guys have changed pro football, probably for good. They make Michael Vick look like a pioneer, but not a champion. Somewhere in between is Cam Newton. He has plenty of time to reach the level of these other new guys. What a great day of football. How can you not root for Seattle, unless you are a true Falcons fan?

I disagree about  changing the game for good. These guys are very talented, no doubt, but if they keep running that read option in the pros, they're not going to last too long,IMO.  Pro D-coordinators will figure out a way to stop this type of offense, and it won't take long either,imo. Having a QB who can scramble out of the pocket when needed like an Elway, Staubach or Young  is one thing, and  a great luxury, but counting on a QB to run as much as  he throws is a very risky deal.

These qb's will be getting hurt ala RGIII,and unless these guys can also be a pocket QB, and run that type of offense, they won't have very long careers,imo. There is way too much money, and cap hits tied up in qb's to not have them on the field. I'd bet Shanahan, and the Skins are already at work  putting in a regular pro offense  for RGIII when he returns, and scrapping the read option. Hopefully he comes back healthy, and has a nice career, but one more injury to that knee and he's done, and the Skins will be feeling that cap hit for a long time.

Quote from: ManNamedTruth on Jan 12, 2013, 09:12 PM
Great game, always hate to see Ravens win though. Never thought I'd see Flacco outplay Manning, though how much of that was Denver's conservative play calling?

Hey he outplayed Brady in the AFC Championship game as well.  Granted Flacco is a statue in the pocket and lacks the pocket presence to feel pressure and get rid of the ball early but he has shown over the last three playoffs that he is fearless under pressure and can make big throws.  Think about Boldin and Housh dropping balls against the Steelers or Lee Evans dropping the ball against the Pats last year.

More than anything I'm happy for this city and my friends.  Everything is purple here.  People were out on the streets celebrating and fireworks (or gunshots) were going off everywhere when that game ended.

I'm a Ravens hater (sorry Ruckus) but holy shit that was an epic game. Can't believe I'm saying this, but I'll actually be pulling for the Pats today so we can have an AFC championship rematch.

Go seahawks...... :undecided:

Let's go Falcons!!  :beer:

For last night, I was a Ravens fan.  What a game!  Now, back to reality.  Go Pats!

Quote from: ericm on Jan 13, 2013, 09:19 AM

Quote from: rincon2 on Jan 13, 2013, 02:11 AM
Wilson. Keapernick, RGIII, these young guys have changed pro football, probably for good. They make Michael Vick look like a pioneer, but not a champion. Somewhere in between is Cam Newton. He has plenty of time to reach the level of these other new guys. What a great day of football. How can you not root for Seattle, unless you are a true Falcons fan?

I disagree about  changing the game for good. These guys are very talented, no doubt, but if they keep running that read option in the pros, they're not going to last too long,IMO.  Pro D-coordinators will figure out a way to stop this type of offense, and it won't take long either,imo. Having a QB who can scramble out of the pocket when needed like an Elway, Staubach or Young  is one thing, and  a great luxury, but counting on a QB to run as much as  he throws is a very risky deal.

These qb's will be getting hurt ala RGIII,and unless these guys can also be a pocket QB, and run that type of offense, they won't have very long careers,imo. There is way too much money, and cap hits tied up in qb's to not have them on the field. I'd bet Shanahan, and the Skins are already at work  putting in a regular pro offense  for RGIII when he returns, and scrapping the read option. Hopefully he comes back healthy, and has a nice career, but one more injury to that knee and he's done, and the Skins will be feeling that cap hit for a long time.

Those are good points. I don't remember RGIIIs injury that put the brace on him but the latest injury was not related to his running style. Keapernick demonstrated he knows when to get out of bounds, when to slide, and when to throw from the pocket. It is safer for him to run through a giant hole in the defense than wait to get hit. This style may not become the norm, but so far this year it has been very successful, very entertaining, and will not go away. There is a lot of money to be made that have nothing to do with longevity. How many shirts did RGIII sell at over $100 a piece?

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Rise up-Samuel L Jackson

Rootin' for a Harbaugh Bowl here

I'd say look for me in the crowd next Sunday night, but I doubt the cameras pan that high.

Looking forward to my first time being at Gillette Stadium for a playoff game.  After a couple of decades of always seeing them lose, the last decade has been nice.  I hope I can be their for another AFC Championship win, and maybe one more Super Bowl for Brady before he starts to lose his edge. 

Standing at our seats in October, Pats v. Broncos, over my brother's shoulder you can see our view.  We spend a lot of money to see the game from far away in the cold.  Fuck yeah! 

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Quote from: johnnYYac on Jan 13, 2013, 10:15 PM
I'd say look for me in the crowd next Sunday night, but I doubt the cameras pan that high.

Looking forward to my first time being at Gillette Stadium for a playoff game.  After a couple of decades of always seeing them lose, the last decade has been nice.  I hope I can be their for another AFC Championship win, and maybe one more Super Bowl for Brady before he starts to lose his edge. 

Standing at our seats in October, Pats v. Broncos, over my brother's shoulder you can see our view.  We spend a lot of money to see the game from far away in the cold.  Fuck yeah! 

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aRE YOU sETH mACfARLANE? i KEEP ASKING YOU AND YOU WON'T TALK TO ME!!!!! yOU MUST BE sETH mACfARLANE. i'M GETTING MY FEELINGS HURT!!!

Congrats John. Glad the games played out the way you needed them to so you can be there for the Championship game. It doesn't  matter where you're sitting, you'll be there for the biggest game of the year, and rooting your Pats onto the Super Bowl in person. It doesn't get much better than that for a fan.

If they don't pan that high and we don't see you, I'm sure you'll be cheering loud enough that we might hear you. :wink:

  Having been to a few Giant playoff games, I know how excited you must be. Enjoy it, and be sure to take it all in.  :beer:

Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jan 13, 2013, 09:10 PM
Rootin' for a Harbaugh Bowl here

Same here, with Reed finally getting a ring and then he and Ray call it a career.

Ravens fan goes nuts! Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Fm0gxQT0s4#ws)

Quote from: ericm on Jan 13, 2013, 09:19 AM

Quote from: rincon2 on Jan 13, 2013, 02:11 AM
Wilson. Keapernick, RGIII, these young guys have changed pro football, probably for good. They make Michael Vick look like a pioneer, but not a champion. Somewhere in between is Cam Newton. He has plenty of time to reach the level of these other new guys. What a great day of football. How can you not root for Seattle, unless you are a true Falcons fan?

I disagree about  changing the game for good. These guys are very talented, no doubt, but if they keep running that read option in the pros, they're not going to last too long,IMO.  Pro D-coordinators will figure out a way to stop this type of offense, and it won't take long either,imo. Having a QB who can scramble out of the pocket when needed like an Elway, Staubach or Young  is one thing, and  a great luxury, but counting on a QB to run as much as  he throws is a very risky deal.

These qb's will be getting hurt ala RGIII,and unless these guys can also be a pocket QB, and run that type of offense, they won't have very long careers,imo. There is way too much money, and cap hits tied up in qb's to not have them on the field. I'd bet Shanahan, and the Skins are already at work  putting in a regular pro offense  for RGIII when he returns, and scrapping the read option. Hopefully he comes back healthy, and has a nice career, but one more injury to that knee and he's done, and the Skins will be feeling that cap hit for a long time.

I saw less NFL games this year than in probably a decade, but I disagree with you. I saw a lot of games of all 3 QBs 2nd half of the season, and my impression is that RG3 is a gambler. I didnt see Wilson or Kaep take near as many runs to the sideline or try to get a few more yards like RG3 did. RG3 appears to be a pocket passer first, run 2nd, & thats another thing that differentiates him from Vick.

That said, Kaep and Wilson even moreso, look like pass 1st QBs to me. They also happen to be fast. They got their teams in the playoffs the first time they hit the field. Something is working Id say.

And again, I would rather have a top 5 prototypical QB at the helm like Rodgers, Brady, Roethlisberger if the game is on the line. If I dont, then Id wish I had a guy like Kaeprnicus or Wilson all day

Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jan 15, 2013, 10:45 PM
Ravens fan goes nuts! Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Fm0gxQT0s4#ws)

My god man!  Dude needs to get a fucking grip?! 

Btw, what does Part 1 look like???   :cheesy:

Quote from: iLikeBeer on Jan 16, 2013, 09:59 AM

Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jan 15, 2013, 10:45 PM
Ravens fan goes nuts! Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Fm0gxQT0s4#ws)

My god man!  Dude needs to get a fucking grip?! 

Btw, what does Part 1 look like???   :cheesy:

The future of his children is bleak.

Quote from: rincon2 on Jan 16, 2013, 01:27 PM

Quote from: iLikeBeer on Jan 16, 2013, 09:59 AM

Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jan 15, 2013, 10:45 PM
Ravens fan goes nuts! Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Fm0gxQT0s4#ws)

My god man!  Dude needs to get a fucking grip?! 

Btw, what does Part 1 look like???   :cheesy:

The future of his children is bleak.

I thought the same thing

So, who will draft Te'o? :smiley:

Quote from: joey_rogo on Jan 16, 2013, 07:49 PM
So, who will draft Te'o? :smiley:

it has to be the Jets, right? 

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Quote from: joey_rogo on Jan 16, 2013, 07:49 PM
So, who will draft Te'o? :smiley:

it has to be the Jets, right?

The Bengals are always known for going after high character players...  :tongue:

Quote from: joey_rogo on Jan 16, 2013, 07:49 PM
So, who will draft Te'o? :smiley:

Someone picking Top 5. Id think the Lions would definitely take him if he was there at 5.

First time I looked at the draft order, Steelers are picking 17th. If only we lost a couple more games and we'd be picking top 10. Sounds like its gonna be a defense dominated 1st round.

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Quote from: joey_rogo on Jan 16, 2013, 07:49 PM
So, who will draft Te'o? :smiley:

Someone picking Top 5. Id think the Lions would definitely take him if he was there at 5.

First time I looked at the draft order, Steelers are picking 17th. If only we lost a couple more games and we'd be picking top 10. Sounds like its gonna be a defense dominated 1st round.

I'll be flat out shocked if he goes top 5.  I think Bama exposed some major weaknesses in his game  that will only be repeated on Sundays.

Then again, there have been some questionable high picks over the years, so maybe shocked is too strong. I'd be shocked if any team with solid  scouts and a good GM take him high though. 

Quote from: ericm on Jan 16, 2013, 10:36 PM

Quote from: capt. scotty on Jan 16, 2013, 10:02 PM

Quote from: joey_rogo on Jan 16, 2013, 07:49 PM
So, who will draft Te'o? :smiley:

Someone picking Top 5. Id think the Lions would definitely take him if he was there at 5.

First time I looked at the draft order, Steelers are picking 17th. If only we lost a couple more games and we'd be picking top 10. Sounds like its gonna be a defense dominated 1st round.

I'll be flat out shocked if he goes top 5.  I think Bama exposed some major weaknesses in his game  that will only be repeated on Sundays.

Then again, there have been some questionable high picks over the years, so maybe shocked is too strong. I'd be shocked if any team with solid  scouts and a good GM take him high though.

Bama exposed nothing in Teo's game, they exposed ND as lucky and even moreso their D as fraudulent.

Outside of a Patrick Peterson type CB getting picked apart or a top rated pass rushing DE/OLB getting stuffed by a OL for an entire NCGame, I dont think 1 game can really define a defensive players draft status by any means. Youre only as good as the 10 guys around you. From what Ive seen, Teo is worth a high draft choice. He'll be the QB of a defense for over a decade without a doubt.

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Quote from: capt. scotty on Jan 16, 2013, 10:02 PM

Quote from: joey_rogo on Jan 16, 2013, 07:49 PM
So, who will draft Te'o? :smiley:

Someone picking Top 5. Id think the Lions would definitely take him if he was there at 5.

First time I looked at the draft order, Steelers are picking 17th. If only we lost a couple more games and we'd be picking top 10. Sounds like its gonna be a defense dominated 1st round.

I'll be flat out shocked if he goes top 5.  I think Bama exposed some major weaknesses in his game  that will only be repeated on Sundays.

Then again, there have been some questionable high picks over the years, so maybe shocked is too strong. I'd be shocked if any team with solid  scouts and a good GM take him high though.

Bama exposed nothing in Teo's game, they exposed ND as lucky and even moreso their D as fraudulent.

Outside of a Patrick Peterson type CB getting picked apart or a top rated pass rushing DE/OLB getting stuffed by a OL for an entire NCGame, I dont think 1 game can really define a defensive players draft status by any means. Youre only as good as the 10 guys around you. From what Ive seen, Teo is worth a high draft choice. He'll be the QB of a defense for over a decade without a doubt.

Alabama showed that he gets lost inside sometimes, and can be blocked by athletic, pro sized lineman, which is what he will be seeing on a daily basis in the NFL. He  can't handle the size, and get off blocks, and that is a MAJOR issue for an ILB. He's going to be seeing lineman like Bama's everyday, even in practice. He won't be able to feast on the Navy's, Pitt's,Purdue's, and BYU's  of the world anymore. They  might have had one lineman with pro skills, maybe, but every lineman in the Pro's is just that, a Pro. Even the worst of them are better than the everyday, normal college lineman. No way will he go high, or be around for long at LB, IMO.

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Quote from: capt. scotty on Jan 16, 2013, 10:02 PM

Quote from: joey_rogo on Jan 16, 2013, 07:49 PM
So, who will draft Te'o? :smiley:

Someone picking Top 5. Id think the Lions would definitely take him if he was there at 5.

First time I looked at the draft order, Steelers are picking 17th. If only we lost a couple more games and we'd be picking top 10. Sounds like its gonna be a defense dominated 1st round.

I'll be flat out shocked if he goes top 5.  I think Bama exposed some major weaknesses in his game  that will only be repeated on Sundays.

Then again, there have been some questionable high picks over the years, so maybe shocked is too strong. I'd be shocked if any team with solid  scouts and a good GM take him high though.

Bama exposed nothing in Teo's game, they exposed ND as lucky and even moreso their D as fraudulent.

Outside of a Patrick Peterson type CB getting picked apart or a top rated pass rushing DE/OLB getting stuffed by a OL for an entire NCGame, I dont think 1 game can really define a defensive players draft status by any means. Youre only as good as the 10 guys around you. From what Ive seen, Teo is worth a high draft choice. He'll be the QB of a defense for over a decade without a doubt.

Alabama showed that he gets lost inside sometimes, and can be blocked by athletic, pro sized lineman, which is what he will be seeing on a daily basis in the NFL. He  can't handle the size, and get off blocks, and that is a MAJOR issue for an ILB. He's going to be seeing lineman like Bama's everyday, even in practice. He won't be able to feast on the Navy's, Pitt's,Purdue's, and BYU's  of the world anymore. They  might have had one lineman with pro skills, maybe, but every lineman in the Pro's is just that, a Pro. Even the worst of them are better than the everyday, normal college lineman. No way will he go high, or be around for long at LB, IMO.

I dont expect him to be an elite NFL ILB like a Lewis, Willis, Bowman, Lee so yes he probably is a better college LB than NFL but I think he's going to be pretty good and a longtime starter & signalcaller (barring injury) for someone. Id be even more surprised if his draft stock drops that much between now and the draft than him not meeting expectations. What are you considering high? Top 10? First round? He isnt dropping out of the top 20, I highly doubt he would drop much past 10.

Scotty, I would consider top five a high pick, and reserved for elite/can't miss, future pro bowler.  A lock type of pick.

Like these guys?    :grin: :grin: :grin:
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Quote from: Jon T. on Jan 17, 2013, 03:06 PM
Like these guys?    :grin: :grin: :grin:
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Like I said, there have been some questionable high picks over the years. :wink:

I'll say it again but he shouldn't even go in the first round unless he runs a 4.5. The guy just isn't that talented to warrant mid to high first round.

He isn't even as talented as Keuchly who is a legit stud or Wagner who played at a high level this year.  I think he'll probably go somewhere in the mid to late first round.  Of course in this draft there aren't too many sure things except for the tackle from A&M, Millner from bama, the guard from Bama, and the guard from UNC.  Overall a pretty weak group with no legit 1st round qbs, rbs, or wrs.  Heavy on OT, Safetys, and DL.  Also some good, but not game breaking TEs comming out as well.

Quote from: manonthemoon on Jan 17, 2013, 07:09 PM
He isn't even as talented as Keuchly who is a legit stud or Wagner who played at a high level this year.  I think he'll probably go somewhere in the mid to late first round.  Of course in this draft there aren't too many sure things except for the tackle from A&M, Millner from bama, the guard from Bama, and the guard from UNC.  Overall a pretty weak group with no legit 1st round qbs, rbs, or wrs.  Heavy on OT, Safetys, and DL.  Also some good, but not game breaking TEs comming out as well.

I havent really started looking into the draft and prospects yet, but just because its weak at the skill positions in the 1st round (which I know to be the case), doesnt mean the actual 2013 class is weak (dont know about this yet).

Sweet!

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Quote from: capt. scotty on Jan 18, 2013, 09:25 PM

Quote from: manonthemoon on Jan 17, 2013, 07:09 PM
He isn't even as talented as Keuchly who is a legit stud or Wagner who played at a high level this year.  I think he'll probably go somewhere in the mid to late first round.  Of course in this draft there aren't too many sure things except for the tackle from A&M, Millner from bama, the guard from Bama, and the guard from UNC.  Overall a pretty weak group with no legit 1st round qbs, rbs, or wrs.  Heavy on OT, Safetys, and DL.  Also some good, but not game breaking TEs comming out as well.

I havent really started looking into the draft and prospects yet, but just because its weak at the skill positions in the 1st round (which I know to be the case), doesnt mean the actual 2013 class is weak (dont know about this yet).

I guess I was just saying where there was a lot of sure thing talents (IMO) last year with Luck, RGIII, Richardson, the cornerbacks, a couple of linemen.  This one has a lot of people with question marks about different parts of their game.  Of course you never really know with these picks, but I just feel that there was a lot of talent that didn't declare early and next year will have a lot more talent with Clowney leading the way.  I think he would go number 1 overall this year if he was eligible.

Please please win today falcons!! ATL fans need this! :beer:

Off to Foxboro!  Go Pats!

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Nice!

Quote from: davymac on Jan 20, 2013, 10:20 AM
Please please win today falcons!! ATL fans need this! :beer:

Honestly forgot the Falcons were still alive for the last day, felt like the Seahawks won last week I guess. I was figuring that the NFC was the late game because they were playing is San Fran  :grin:

Quote from: capt. scotty on Jan 20, 2013, 11:42 AM

Quote from: davymac on Jan 20, 2013, 10:20 AM
Please please win today falcons!! ATL fans need this! :beer:

Honestly forgot the Falcons were still alive for the last day, felt like the Seahawks won last week I guess. I was figuring that the NFC was the late game because they were playing is San Fran  :grin:

this is exactly why the falcons need a super bowl! ATL sports gets shit on...the braves are the only team that has won us anything!  our defense is questionable at best but we have some offensive talent!

Quote from: davymac on Jan 20, 2013, 11:58 AM

Quote from: capt. scotty on Jan 20, 2013, 11:42 AM

Quote from: davymac on Jan 20, 2013, 10:20 AM
Please please win today falcons!! ATL fans need this! :beer:

Honestly forgot the Falcons were still alive for the last day, felt like the Seahawks won last week I guess. I was figuring that the NFC was the late game because they were playing is San Fran  :grin:

this is exactly why the falcons need a super bowl! ATL sports gets shit on...the braves are the only team that has won us anything!  our defense is questionable at best but we have some offensive talent!

I dont think ATL sports get shit on, I think the Falcons just dont have as strong or as large of a fanbase as expected for a couple reasons. One, UGA and college football seems to reign supreme over the Falcons. Also, Ive heard ATL is a huge transplant city (moreso than others) so there's a lot of football fans down there who arent really Falcons fans, or they arent their favorite team at least. They also dont have as much tradition most of the large market (or even smaller market like GB, PIT, KC, etc) teams.

You have talent on D, I think Weatherspoon and Decoud are 2 of the most underrated players in the league at their respective positions, and obviously their CB's are very good. I think this game will come down to Ryan and the offense getting TD's against that SF defense though. You gotta think SF is good for 24 pts. Julio has been very big or MIA in games this year it seems, rarely having that mediocre 7/80 type of game, theyll need him to show up. Turner having a nice game would be huge as well.

Think it's 9ers and rat birds with the point spread given.  Should be good games all around.

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Helluva game so far. Im surprised how bad the 9ers D is getting abused. Should be a good 2nd half. Big drive by ATL to end the half.

I think youre going to get a good game as well Yac!

Quote from: capt. scotty on Nov 28, 2012, 09:55 PM
Im loving this QB controversy in SF. I think SF and Harbaugh are making the right decision with Kaepernicus.

The NFC is so loaded offensively, I dont think SF can win a SB/get by all of GB, ATL, NYG, etc. I think gambling with Kaep is the right call. Smith has been quite good, but I think Kaep really increases their chances of a SB win, or even getting there.

Quote from: capt. scotty on Jan 20, 2013, 06:10 PM

Quote from: capt. scotty on Nov 28, 2012, 09:55 PM
Im loving this QB controversy in SF. I think SF and Harbaugh are making the right decision with Kaepernicus.

The NFC is so loaded offensively, I dont think SF can win a SB/get by all of GB, ATL, NYG, etc. I think gambling with Kaep is the right call. Smith has been quite good, but I think Kaep really increases their chances of a SB win, or even getting there.

Don't hurt yourself there Scotty. You might pull something patting yourself on the back. :wink:

Damn. What a disappointing game.

Quote from: capt. scotty on Jan 20, 2013, 06:10 PM

Quote from: capt. scotty on Nov 28, 2012, 09:55 PM
Im loving this QB controversy in SF. I think SF and Harbaugh are making the right decision with Kaepernicus.

The NFC is so loaded offensively, I dont think SF can win a SB/get by all of GB, ATL, NYG, etc. I think gambling with Kaep is the right call. Smith has been quite good, but I think Kaep really increases their chances of a SB win, or even getting there.

What's that you said about learning to blow yourself?   :tongue:   :wink:

Wow, yesterday was crazy. I was so pissed about the 49ers miscommunication on defense but I knew if they just stuck with their run game and cleaned up in the second half that we could get back into the game. The Seattle game proved that Atlanta does not know how to stick the nail in the coffin when presented the opportunity.

Sidenote, I usually don't complain about flags but what the hell was Julio Jones doing all game, man you are that big and talented and you still have to push off of our DB Brown all game and somehow it is never called?

The 49ers were able to make plays when they needed to. Great game plan, as Atlanta was so focused in on stopping Kaep on the option that lanes opened up for our rb's.

Happy for players like Willis, Gore, J. Smith, Davis, and all the Niner Faithful that have endured the Erickson, Singletary and Nolan years!

CHIMMJFAN

Quote from: CHIMMJFAN on Jan 21, 2013, 09:36 PM
Wow, yesterday was crazy. I was so pissed about the 49ers miscommunication on defense but I knew if they just stuck with their run game and cleaned up in the second half that we could get back into the game. The Seattle game proved that Atlanta does not know how to stick the nail in the coffin when presented the opportunity.

Sidenote, I usually don't complain about flags but what the hell was Julio Jones doing all game, man you are that big and talented and you still have to push off of our DB Brown all game and somehow it is never called?

The 49ers were able to make plays when they needed to. Great game plan, as Atlanta was so focused in on stopping Kaep on the option that lanes opened up for our rb's.

Happy for players like Willis, Gore, J. Smith, Davis, and all the Niner Faithful that have endured the Erickson, Singletary and Nolan years!

CHIMMJFAN

The contrasting, and successful, styles of the past 2 SF wins should scare the shit out of Baltimore. Which team do you prepare for? The Ravens defense is going to have to be prepared for ANYTHING on any given play. When you have a quarterback who proves he can hand it off without dropping it, fake a handoff, throw lasers, and run for 50 yards because the defense is covering the other 3 possibilities, it is pretty difficult to defend against. Good thing the Ravens are traditionally known for their defense. They gonna need it.

Quote from: rincon2 on Jan 22, 2013, 09:02 AM

Quote from: CHIMMJFAN on Jan 21, 2013, 09:36 PM
Wow, yesterday was crazy. I was so pissed about the 49ers miscommunication on defense but I knew if they just stuck with their run game and cleaned up in the second half that we could get back into the game. The Seattle game proved that Atlanta does not know how to stick the nail in the coffin when presented the opportunity.

Sidenote, I usually don't complain about flags but what the hell was Julio Jones doing all game, man you are that big and talented and you still have to push off of our DB Brown all game and somehow it is never called?

The 49ers were able to make plays when they needed to. Great game plan, as Atlanta was so focused in on stopping Kaep on the option that lanes opened up for our rb's.

Happy for players like Willis, Gore, J. Smith, Davis, and all the Niner Faithful that have endured the Erickson, Singletary and Nolan years!

CHIMMJFAN

The contrasting, and successful, styles of the past 2 SF wins should scare the shit out of Baltimore. Which team do you prepare for? The Ravens defense is going to have to be prepared for ANYTHING on any given play. When you have a quarterback who proves he can hand it off without dropping it, fake a handoff, throw lasers, and run for 50 yards because the defense is covering the other 3 possibilities, it is pretty difficult to defend against. Good thing the Ravens are traditionally known for their defense. They gonna need it.

Yep, I agree, 49ers O-Coordinator Greg Roman usually comes up with great game plans, especially with 2 weeks of prep time. I have a feeling like this gameplan against the Ravens is going to utilize the speed of the Niners two TE'S against the Ravens linebackers.

CHIMMJFAN

Getting a little tired of Ray Lewis' God shtick. He's teetering on the edge of full out WWE crap and it has me leaning towards the hated 9ers (although I love Patrick Willis).

So nothing on Ray Lewis using deer antler velvet extract he bought from a male stripper?? When I first heard it it sounded too absurd to be true but sounds like athletes do actually use it. Also heard from the same company he got menthol drenched and radio wave exposed undergarments. The shit people will try!  :cheesy:

I was surprised to see the spread start at 3.5 for SF but Im even more surprised that it didnt go down and is now at 4 or 4.5

I think Im most excited for this Super Bowl more than any non-Steelers one that I can remember. Just looks like a great even matchup. 2 great OL's, 2 great DL's, 2 very good running games, 2 very good defenses (or at least BAL is playing that way recently). I think SF will have more success running the ball and that could be the difference in who wins, but the real difference between the 2 teams is Flacco and his experience (great playoffs so far but a chokejob tonight wouldnt surprise me) vs the inexperience and athleticism of Kaepernicus.

I think SF is going to win but if I were betting Id take BAL and the points.

Pulling for the Ravens, but think the 49ers win.  I think they won't cover though and the TPs will be over 49 or whatever the line is.

If they played that Super Bowl 10x it would be 5-5. 2 pretty evenly matched teams and the Ravens happened to win.

The next morning I am still devastated by the 49er loss. What horrible play calling with the ball inside the ten and four downs to get it in the endzone. The 49ers were running with success and you choose 1 out of 4 downs to run the ball 7 yards out?

I'm not going to complain about good/bad calls in the game. Point blank, 49ers dug too deep a hole in the first half and then did not take advantage of their opportunity at the end of the game. Credit to the Ravens.

CHIMMJFAN

In about 40 years of watching the NFL, I have never seen a player I enjoy watching as much as Colin Keapernick. What a specimen. Extraordinarily talented, with the physical make-up and brains to last. Have to admit, Russell Wilson is right up there with him but being shorter than me is clearly a disadvantage in the long run.

Quote from: CHIMMJFAN on Feb 04, 2013, 12:12 PM
The next morning I am still devastated by the 49er loss. What horrible play calling with the ball inside the ten and four downs to get it in the endzone. The 49ers were running with success and you choose 1 out of 4 downs to run the ball 7 yards out?

And the one time they did run it they didnt even give it to Gore. I realize Kendall Hunter has been hurt for awhile and was getting basically all the backup carries, but LMJames didnt have a carry until a few weeks left in the season, and really didnt see a significant amount of touches in a game until the ATL, in which he also fumbled. I wouldnt have trusted him doing anything vs an opportunistic D like BAL besides returns.

I also question not going to Davis once on those final 4 plays. He was having a great game, and Kaep strugggles in the red zone so going to VD makes a lot of sense. Its also weird how Davis has had back to back great postseasons, but they ignored him much of this regular season - only had 1 game over the last 6 weeks with more than 1 catch (2 catches), only had 1 TD from week 4 on, and had the least amount of catches, yards, and TDs since 2008. I understand they kept him in to block more in the regular season, but he's such a weapon when they go to him it just makes me scratch my head why they dont target him more.

The James fumble was big, I thought Moss gave up on that Kaep INT and possibly couldve prevented it from being one, the kickoff return for a TD essentially won the Ravens the game, but not giving Gore or Davis each a chance inside the 10 at the end I think was a major gaffe.

Quote from: capt. scotty on Feb 04, 2013, 06:41 PM

Quote from: CHIMMJFAN on Feb 04, 2013, 12:12 PM
The next morning I am still devastated by the 49er loss. What horrible play calling with the ball inside the ten and four downs to get it in the endzone. The 49ers were running with success and you choose 1 out of 4 downs to run the ball 7 yards out?

And the one time they did run it they didnt even give it to Gore. I realize Kendall Hunter has been hurt for awhile and was getting basically all the backup carries, but LMJames didnt have a carry until a few weeks left in the season, and really didnt see a significant amount of touches in a game until the ATL, in which he also fumbled. I wouldnt have trusted him doing anything vs an opportunistic D like BAL besides returns.

I also question not going to Davis once on those final 4 plays. He was having a great game, and Kaep strugggles in the red zone so going to VD makes a lot of sense. Its also weird how Davis has had back to back great postseasons, but they ignored him much of this regular season - only had 1 game over the last 6 weeks with more than 1 catch (2 catches), only had 1 TD from week 4 on, and had the least amount of catches, yards, and TDs since 2008. I understand they kept him in to block more in the regular season, but he's such a weapon when they go to him it just makes me scratch my head why they dont target him more.

The James fumble was big, I thought Moss gave up on that Kaep INT and possibly couldve prevented it from being one, the kickoff return for a TD essentially won the Ravens the game, but not giving Gore or Davis each a chance inside the 10 at the end I think was a major gaffe.

Great thoughts!
So apparently Gore was catching his breath when they put in LMJ but why run it up the middle? This should have been pistol option. Now they did try on the next play to run Kaep to the left side behind a Gore block with one corner only to block and I think Kaep would have made it in. Problem was that the play clock went down and a timeout was called.
I'm ok with going to Crabtree but Colin needed to make the throw right away and not hesitate. Then make it a catchable ball from Crabtree on 4th down and at least get up and complain about the holding call!

Throughout the game I was just disappointed in our pass rush. J. Smith's injury really affecting himself and A. Smith. Culliver had a rough game and we just could not get Flacco down when we had the chance.

I agree that V. Davis needs to be more utilized but I think teams really hone in on him and so hopefully other guys step up. Vernon is a great blocker but I would like to see him get at least a few balls during the season, lol.

Moss could have made a much better attempt for the ball that got away from Kaep, but I guess I expected that from Moss.

LMJ's fumble was tough, he's young and I think he will help us in the future. I can't wait to see Hunter and him back there spelling Gore next year.

Contrary to some 49er fans, I am real excited to get Kyle Williams back, he is fast and this year before he was hurt he had a knack for making big 3rd down catches. Couple that with towards the end of the year getting Mannigham back!

I feel good about the team in the future, draft picks and resign Goldson,

CHIMMJFAN

Quote from: rincon2 on Feb 04, 2013, 01:46 PM
In about 40 years of watching the NFL, I have never seen a player I enjoy watching as much as Colin Keapernick. What a specimen. Extraordinarily talented, with the physical make-up and brains to last. Have to admit, Russell Wilson is right up there with him but being shorter than me is clearly a disadvantage in the long run.

Yeah Colin Kapernick has been real fun to watch this year. How calm he is in big game situations is uncanny. He has such a strong arm, running ability. The scary thing is that he should only get better! And yeah Russel Wilson is a threat in the NFC West, very good young player.

CHIMMJFAN

Definately think they should of rolled out Kaep to the wide side of the field at least one time near the endzone to give him a shot to run it in if nothing was there.

Plus I think they made a mistake by taking the time out to save the 5 yard from the delay of game.  That cost them about 30 seconds of game since the Ravens could run down the clock.

Quote from: CHIMMJFAN on Feb 04, 2013, 06:58 PM
Throughout the game I was just disappointed in our pass rush. J. Smith's injury really affecting himself and A. Smith. Culliver had a rough game and we just could not get Flacco down when we had the chance.

Justin's injury has definitely impacted Aldon's game as well since the injury happened, but SF is probably the only team with a better OL than BAL, and I think BAL might actually be a better pass blocking OL. Flacco's had a ton of time all year, just look at all the deep attempts he has time to take, and yesterday was more of the same. Im not surprised SF couldnt get consistent pressure on him.

I think both these teams are going to be dangerous for the near future, possibly longer depending on cap situations and retaining players. That said, BAL will need to really reload as it seems like theyre going to lose Lewis and Reed, Kruger is a FA but its expected they bring him back. Webb coming back will certainly help. SF I think is set up even better as basically their entire team besides Gore is entering their prime or hasnt even reached it yet. I think Gore used in a committee still will be effective for a couple more years though. Crabtree really had a breakout year and is arguably a top 20 WR, but I think getting a #2 WR better than Manningham would be big for Kaep and that offense.

Hey Chi and Scotty, I appreciate you guys' objective review of the game from two who were rooting for the Niners.

I've actually avoided most national sports news and talk radio because of how much emphasis that was placed on the final play.  However Jim Harbaugh continuing to complain about it has really gotten to me.  I've always respected him as a coach and his accomplishments in such a short period of time in college and the pros speaks for itself and has helped me to ignore just what an asshole he really is.  I just feel like he's crossed the line here and is showing such disrespect to his older brother.

As we all know, Navorro Bowman held Roddy White and it was more obvious than this call in which Crabtree ran into Smith and also extended his arm to push off to get off the press coverage.  I've watched the Super Bowl 3 times now and two plays stood out, both on Culliver, that were not called that could have led to points in the end of the 1st quarter and a TD instead of settling for a field goal in the 2nd half.  Also, on the 2nd and goal play at the end of the game, Crabtree clearly extended his arm to push off and gain separation where Kaep had rolled out right.  If it is properly called as offensive PI, it's 2nd and goal from the 15.

This is the nature of sport and while I'm OK with fans whining about it (however uninformed it may be), to hear the coach do it close to a week after the game and somehow undermining his brother's ability to enjoy it is just pathetic.

Had you guys pulled it off, I can only imagine the outrage over here about that call and power outage which proved to be a HUGE momentum shift.  In a game where your team goes down 28-6, the coach cannot be crying about one call in the game.

Oh and Culliver..really?  What a piece of shit!  I'm not even bothered by his homophobic remarks because he lacks the intellect to self censor himself.  What got to me was him taunting Sam Koch the Punter after he took the safety.  What was that?!

My take on the whole thing was that Jim is being a cry baby, which is one reason I don't really care for him, even if he is a great coach.  Everyone gets bad calls or no calls in this case, but there was much more going into loosing that game then just that play.  Plus you don't know if they score even if its called and then the Ravens would have had plenty of time to try and get the game winning field goal.

The refs pretty much swallowed their whistles for the entire game and just let them play, kind of like the NBA during the finals.  Unless the offense is really bad then most don't get called, especially in a situation where it could affect the outcome of the game.

The one play that really shocked me that was not called was when Williams shoved the official, he should of at least got a personal foul for that or IMHO he should of been kicked out.  But then again the refs didn't want to kick a starting cb out of the game as that would have severly affected the outcome IMO, so they didn't even give it a personal foul.

The 49ers are a well built team who aren't in a bad cap situation and none of the big names are up for UFA so they should be set up well for next season.  The ravens on the other hand will be hurting as Flacco, who in all due respect earned a big pay day with his play, but isn't a true elite (IE top 5) IMO, will be wanting to break the bank.  Then with Kruger, williams, reed, Elerby all hitting the free agent market, Ray retiring, and no real cap space it could be a rough year as that is a lot of holes on the defense.

Quote from: manonthemoon on Feb 08, 2013, 08:19 PM
My take on the whole thing was that Jim is being a cry baby, which is one reason I don't really care for him, even if he is a great coach.  Everyone gets bad calls or no calls in this case, but there was much more going into loosing that game then just that play.  Plus you don't know if they score even if its called and then the Ravens would have had plenty of time to try and get the game winning field goal.

The refs pretty much swallowed their whistles for the entire game and just let them play, kind of like the NBA during the finals.  Unless the offense is really bad then most don't get called, especially in a situation where it could affect the outcome of the game.

The one play that really shocked me that was not called was when Williams shoved the official, he should of at least got a personal foul for that or IMHO he should of been kicked out.  But then again the refs didn't want to kick a starting cb out of the game as that would have severly affected the outcome IMO, so they didn't even give it a personal foul.

The 49ers are a well built team who aren't in a bad cap situation and none of the big names are up for UFA so they should be set up well for next season.  The ravens on the other hand will be hurting as Flacco, who in all due respect earned a big pay day with his play, but isn't a true elite (IE top 5) IMO, will be wanting to break the bank.  Then with Kruger, williams, reed, Elerby all hitting the free agent market, Ray retiring, and no real cap space it could be a rough year as that is a lot of holes on the defense.

Flacco, who in all due respect earned a big pay day with his play, but isn't a true elite (IE top 5) IMO,   Not a Ravens fan, but who were the 5 QBs better this year?  You make ZERO sense with that statement.

Quote from: rincon2 on Feb 09, 2013, 04:28 AM

Quote from: manonthemoon on Feb 08, 2013, 08:19 PM
My take on the whole thing was that Jim is being a cry baby, which is one reason I don't really care for him, even if he is a great coach.  Everyone gets bad calls or no calls in this case, but there was much more going into loosing that game then just that play.  Plus you don't know if they score even if its called and then the Ravens would have had plenty of time to try and get the game winning field goal.

The refs pretty much swallowed their whistles for the entire game and just let them play, kind of like the NBA during the finals.  Unless the offense is really bad then most don't get called, especially in a situation where it could affect the outcome of the game.

The one play that really shocked me that was not called was when Williams shoved the official, he should of at least got a personal foul for that or IMHO he should of been kicked out.  But then again the refs didn't want to kick a starting cb out of the game as that would have severly affected the outcome IMO, so they didn't even give it a personal foul.

The 49ers are a well built team who aren't in a bad cap situation and none of the big names are up for UFA so they should be set up well for next season.  The ravens on the other hand will be hurting as Flacco, who in all due respect earned a big pay day with his play, but isn't a true elite (IE top 5) IMO, will be wanting to break the bank.  Then with Kruger, williams, reed, Elerby all hitting the free agent market, Ray retiring, and no real cap space it could be a rough year as that is a lot of holes on the defense.

Flacco, who in all due respect earned a big pay day with his play, but isn't a true elite (IE top 5) IMO,   Not a Ravens fan, but who were the 5 QBs better this year?  You make ZERO sense with that statement.

Aaron Rodgers
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
RG III
Russell Wilson
Matt Ryan

There's six for you.  That's the regular season mind you...Flacco was the best quarterback in the postseason.

Quote from: Tired Eyes on Feb 09, 2013, 05:28 PM

Quote from: rincon2 on Feb 09, 2013, 04:28 AM

Quote from: manonthemoon on Feb 08, 2013, 08:19 PM
My take on the whole thing was that Jim is being a cry baby, which is one reason I don't really care for him, even if he is a great coach.  Everyone gets bad calls or no calls in this case, but there was much more going into loosing that game then just that play.  Plus you don't know if they score even if its called and then the Ravens would have had plenty of time to try and get the game winning field goal.

The refs pretty much swallowed their whistles for the entire game and just let them play, kind of like the NBA during the finals.  Unless the offense is really bad then most don't get called, especially in a situation where it could affect the outcome of the game.

The one play that really shocked me that was not called was when Williams shoved the official, he should of at least got a personal foul for that or IMHO he should of been kicked out.  But then again the refs didn't want to kick a starting cb out of the game as that would have severly affected the outcome IMO, so they didn't even give it a personal foul.

The 49ers are a well built team who aren't in a bad cap situation and none of the big names are up for UFA so they should be set up well for next season.  The ravens on the other hand will be hurting as Flacco, who in all due respect earned a big pay day with his play, but isn't a true elite (IE top 5) IMO, will be wanting to break the bank.  Then with Kruger, williams, reed, Elerby all hitting the free agent market, Ray retiring, and no real cap space it could be a rough year as that is a lot of holes on the defense.

Flacco, who in all due respect earned a big pay day with his play, but isn't a true elite (IE top 5) IMO,   Not a Ravens fan, but who were the 5 QBs better this year?  You make ZERO sense with that statement.

Aaron Rodgers
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
RG III
Russell Wilson
Matt Ryan

There's six for you.  That's the regular season mind you...Flacco was the best quarterback in the postseason.

Well for starters the ones I would call elite are the following, but I tend to go by qbr over passer rating and i won't put any young qbs with only 2 years in the league or less on the list as thats too small of a sample size:

Rodgers is at the very top
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady (I'm a dolphins fan, so not biased at all here)
Drew Brees
Eli Manning (didnt look great (still top 10 qbr) last year, but two rings puts him up there)

Flacco would fall into the next group with along with
Big Ben
Matt Ryan
Stafford
Romo

He had a great post season after a below average regular season, but I see people as elite as someone who scares you whenever you go up against them and he doesn't really fit that bill imo just yet.  I will be interested to see how he does with less weapons since Bolden will probably be gone to make cap room and the defense getting worse with all of the turnover.

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Quote from: rincon2 on Jan 13, 2013, 02:11 AM
Wilson. Keapernick, RGIII, these young guys have changed pro football, probably for good. They make Michael Vick look like a pioneer, but not a champion. Somewhere in between is Cam Newton. He has plenty of time to reach the level of these other new guys. What a great day of football. How can you not root for Seattle, unless you are a true Falcons fan?

I disagree about  changing the game for good. These guys are very talented, no doubt, but if they keep running that read option in the pros, they're not going to last too long,IMO.  Pro D-coordinators will figure out a way to stop this type of offense, and it won't take long either,imo. Having a QB who can scramble out of the pocket when needed like an Elway, Staubach or Young  is one thing, and  a great luxury, but counting on a QB to run as much as  he throws is a very risky deal.

These qb's will be getting hurt ala RGIII,and unless these guys can also be a pocket QB, and run that type of offense, they won't have very long careers,imo. There is way too much money, and cap hits tied up in qb's to not have them on the field. I'd bet Shanahan, and the Skins are already at work  putting in a regular pro offense  for RGIII when he returns, and scrapping the read option. Hopefully he comes back healthy, and has a nice career, but one more injury to that knee and he's done, and the Skins will be feeling that cap hit for a long time.

Still believe this eric?  I think it has been shown for years now in college that you can't "stop" the zone read option offenses.  As many articles over the past few years have explained, it fundamentally shifts the numerical competitive balance in the offense's favor.  In a traditional pro run play, the QB is not a running threat so the play is essentially 10 vs 11.  When you run read option, the QB becomes a threat and becomes 11 vs 11.  The basis of the read option is that you don't have to block the backside DE/OLB because you base your decision of whether he crashes or sets so the O now has a 11 vs 10 advantage.  That is huge, particularly when you can run all sorts of other plays of the basic formation.  Teams like A&M, Oregon, and now the Eagles just go to the line of scrimmage with 4 or 5 audibles from the same base formation and it just gasses defenses even more. 

Your point about the durability of some qbs is well taken but the advantage is too great not to use.  Otherwise, you are just falling behind.  I can see in the future, teams employing depth at QB, ala RBs, with interchangeable running/passing qbs where they can afford to run them, having viable backups.  So many of these type of qbs coming through the college pipeline now.

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Quote from: ericm on Jan 13, 2013, 09:19 AM

Quote from: rincon2 on Jan 13, 2013, 02:11 AM
Wilson. Keapernick, RGIII, these young guys have changed pro football, probably for good. They make Michael Vick look like a pioneer, but not a champion. Somewhere in between is Cam Newton. He has plenty of time to reach the level of these other new guys. What a great day of football. How can you not root for Seattle, unless you are a true Falcons fan?

I disagree about  changing the game for good. These guys are very talented, no doubt, but if they keep running that read option in the pros, they're not going to last too long,IMO.  Pro D-coordinators will figure out a way to stop this type of offense, and it won't take long either,imo. Having a QB who can scramble out of the pocket when needed like an Elway, Staubach or Young  is one thing, and  a great luxury, but counting on a QB to run as much as  he throws is a very risky deal.

These qb's will be getting hurt ala RGIII,and unless these guys can also be a pocket QB, and run that type of offense, they won't have very long careers,imo. There is way too much money, and cap hits tied up in qb's to not have them on the field. I'd bet Shanahan, and the Skins are already at work  putting in a regular pro offense  for RGIII when he returns, and scrapping the read option. Hopefully he comes back healthy, and has a nice career, but one more injury to that knee and he's done, and the Skins will be feeling that cap hit for a long time.

Still believe this eric?  I think it has been shown for years now in college that you can't "stop" the zone read option offenses.  As many articles over the past few years have explained, it fundamentally shifts the numerical competitive balance in the offense's favor.  In a traditional pro run play, the QB is not a running threat so the play is essentially 10 vs 11.  When you run read option, the QB becomes a threat and becomes 11 vs 11.  The basis of the read option is that you don't have to block the backside DE/OLB because you base your decision of whether he crashes or sets so the O now has a 11 vs 10 advantage.  That is huge, particularly when you can run all sorts of other plays of the basic formation.  Teams like A&M, Oregon, and now the Eagles just go to the line of scrimmage with 4 or 5 audibles from the same base formation and it just gasses defenses even more. 

Your point about the durability of some qbs is well taken but the advantage is too great not to use.  Otherwise, you are just falling behind.  I can see in the future, teams employing depth at QB, ala RBs, with interchangeable running/passing qbs where they can afford to run them, having viable backups.  So many of these type of qbs coming through the college pipeline now.

I absolutely still do believe this. The read option is a potent weapon, and the numbers do favor the offense over the traditional pro running offense where you don't account for the QB. That, I'll give you, but to me the biggest factors working against this having a long shelf life is injury, and salary cap. I think this year we're going to see these QB's taking even more hits. Unless they change the rules at some point, this O is too much risk for the reward,IMO.

In college you have young guys running it, with depth at QB not tied into a salary cap. When RGIII, Kaep, Wilson et al are due to cash in on their next contracts, it's going to put a premium on them being healthy for their teams to compete year after year. Their cap hit won't allow teams to have another high paid QB on the roster, while being competitive,and having skill at other positions as well.

The only way I can really see this offense possibly having much of a shelf life in the NFL is if teams just decide to ride these qb's for their rookie contracts, not give them big bucks on the next one, and just reload with another young QB. Personally, I don't think much of that option, as you need stability in the NFLimo, especially at QB, and coach.

I'll be real interested to see how defenses have played this O by the time this crop of QB's have reached the end of their rookie deals. If as I suspect they have adjusted to it, QB's get hurt, and make it not worth the risk, will it go the way of the Run and Shoot, or will teams decide to play revolving QB's and just get another young guy in there.

Maybe I'm bit ( :wink:) old  school, but I don't think it's a coincidence that looking back, almost all Super Bowl winning teams have had traditional "pocket" type QB's and offenses. The exception being ones who have had scramblers like Elway, Young, etc. Still a traditional type O, but an added dimension with those guys being able to get out of trouble, and extend plays.

I can see a form of this offense remaining in the game, to keep defenses off balance, but as the main type of a teams offense, I think it'll be hard to sustain.

Personally, I think Luck is going to have a better career, and outlast the rest of this crop of current QB's, but time will tell.