The NFL Thread 2009

[aMillionDreams]

I agree with that quote.  I would have never drafted him.  Or kept ochocinco and shipped TJ for that matter, but whatever.  I'm torn because I really think they have a good chance at a good season but I'm pissed about some of their moves.  Our biggest question mark is the O-line, which looked pretty good last night without the big boy from bama.  And I don't think we can endure 25 players on IR including our franchise QB, like last year.

[corey]

Andre would be an asset to the team if he would just get his head out of his ass. I really hate watching this situation.

I'm curious to see how OchoCinco will fare this year.

[corey]

So, who is surprised by the Favre announcement?

[capt. scotty]

So, who is surprised by the Favre announcement?

damnit, now i need to re-do my homemade cheatsheets  >:(

makes the vikes division contenders though whereas Green Bay was clearly the best team in the division prior to it

[aMillionDreams]

So, who is surprised by the Favre announcement?

damnit, now i need to re-do my homemade cheatsheets  >:(

makes the vikes division contenders though whereas Green Bay was clearly the best team in the division prior to it

Newsflash, Cap'n: Favre sucks.  All this makes the Vikings is an interesting trainwreck.  He's washed up and has shown that to be the case the past two seasons.  Does anyone really think he gives them a better chance at winning this year?  The only thing he'll lead the league in this year is interceptions, mark my words.

Tavaris Jackson is a question mark, but there's no question marks about Favre.  He may have a good first half, but come playoff time he'll look like the same old washed up EX-gun-slinger who crapped out the past two seasons.  I can't believe the Vikings are letting him join up, they deserve what's coming to them.

[Taterbug]

So, who is surprised by the Favre announcement?

damnit, now i need to re-do my homemade cheatsheets  >:(

makes the vikes division contenders though whereas Green Bay was clearly the best team in the division prior to it

Newsflash, Cap'n: Favre sucks.  All this makes the Vikings is an interesting trainwreck.  He's washed up and has shown that to be the case the past two seasons.  Does anyone really think he gives them a better chance at winning this year?  The only thing he'll lead the league in this year is interceptions, mark my words.

Tavaris Jackson is a question mark, but there's no question marks about Favre.  He may have a good first half, but come playoff time he'll look like the same old washed up EX-gun-slinger who crapped out the past two seasons.  I can't believe the Vikings are letting him join up, they deserve what's coming to them.

I agree aMD.  I bet he won't make week 6.  Vikings O-line sucks and is built for run blocking.  If all he's doing is handing off he might last the season.  I'm just glad my Bears get one more chance to knock the shit out of  him.  He's killed us for many many years.  You KNOW  the Packers want piece of that ass also.

[capt. scotty]

Last year he definitely ran out of gas, but 2007 he was good until the end. I dont think you can blame him for losing to NYG in the NFC Champ game. I dont remember Ryan Grant doing too much that game. And I just checked, Grant had 29 yards that game. Plus that D was too good.

Granted, that was his only good year in the last 5 years, but if I were the Vikings Id rather have him than Travis Jackson or Sage Rosenfels.

Bombs to Bernard Berrian could be trouble though  ;D

[Hawkeye]

Did you watch the Vikes' preseason game?  Rosenfels was solid.  He would have been solid all year if the Vikes gave him a chance.  How are he and Jackson supposed to feel now?  I know, I know, it's a man's game, but I'd feel a little cheated honestly.  Childress keeps saying he's happy with his QB's but obviously not.  I think this is just plain stupid on the Vikings part.  Favre MIGHT give them one decent year, but that's it.  Then what?  They're back to where they were without him.  Clearly they're thinking of this year, not the future, but I think he's going to hurt them more than help them this year anyway.  BEAR DOWN...I hope the Bears take him out for the season...too bad we don't play the Vikes until November.

[aMillionDreams]

Last year he definitely ran out of gas, but 2007 he was good until the end. I dont think you can blame him for losing to NYG in the NFC Champ game. I dont remember Ryan Grant doing too much that game. And I just checked, Grant had 29 yards that game. Plus that D was too good.

Granted, that was his only good year in the last 5 years, but if I were the Vikings Id rather have him than Travis Jackson or Sage Rosenfels.

Bombs to Bernard Berrian could be trouble though  ;D

If he was as good as everybody says he is then he SHOULD have beat the Giants in Lambeau in the cold.  But he looked like an old, cold QB who couldn't cut it.  

Bengals play the Vikes in week 14.  That'll be fun, if Brett's not back in Mississippi by then.

[capt. scotty]

They lost by what, 3 points? To the team that beat the unbeatable Cheaters.

His numbers in that game are pretty similar comp/att and yardage wise. Eli threw no picks or TD's, Favre threw 2 of each. I dont think anyone thinks Farve's as good as he was 10 years ago, but I dont think many people think he's worse than Rosenfels outside of Minnesota being better off with a game manager.

And like I said, Ryan Grant had 29 yards that game. Brandon Jacobs and Ahmad Bradshaw had 130 yards and 2 TDs combined.

Whether you like or hate Farve, the difference in that game was clearly the running game of each team.

[aMillionDreams]

They lost by what, 3 points? To the team that beat the unbeatable Cheaters.

His numbers in that game are pretty similar comp/att and yardage wise. Eli threw no picks or TD's, Favre threw 2 of each. I dont think anyone thinks Farve's as good as he was 10 years ago, but I dont think many people think he's worse than Rosenfels outside of Minnesota being better off with a game manager.

And like I said, Ryan Grant had 29 yards that game. Brandon Jacobs and Ahmad Bradshaw had 130 yards and 2 TDs combined.

Whether you like or hate Farve, the difference in that game was clearly the running game of each team.

Right, he wasn't the difference in the game, that's the point.  You would think that a QB, who some claim is one of the top 5 of all-time, would be the difference in the playoffs at home when it was counted.  He wasn't the difference then and he won't be now for the Vikings.  Just like in that game, he'll probably have as many TDs as INTs.  btw, that's not a good game. 2 TD and 2 INTs. If he had won the game by 3 points everyone would have given him the credit.  Just like they give him WAY too much credit for the only superbowl win he had. Desmond Howard was the MVP of that game.  Anyone picking him up this year?

And I don't believe the Vikings are bringing him in to "manage games", and you KNOW he didn't come out of retirement just to hand off to Adrian Peterson all day, so what's your point.  He'll lead them to a championship unless he runs into a good running game?

He is, at best, a workable backup QB as he is right now (39, coming off surgery and still with a torn rotator cuff).  And he is being treated like a god amongst men.  Steve McNair got banned from the complex when he was done, but Brett can retire, come back, retire, come back, say he's retired so he doesn't have to go to camp, and then come back.  He doesn't deserve that.  Not for the player he was then and certainly not for the player he is now.

[Ruckus]

Sometimes lost in this Favre mandrama is the pass he is given on his intentions here.  From many a past posts, I clearly fall in line with aMD here.  There have been some people that crunched the numbers from his successful campaign two years ago and it is a wonder the number of dropped INTs he had that year as well as jump balls thrown that went his way.  It is the same Favre that finally showed up late in the Giants game and OT.  It was no surprise.  Just another classic chuck that brings up another one of my hated sportsisms.  It was a rookie mistake vs. his veteran experience.

Veterans make shitty mistakes all the time but aren't called out on it.  That was the ultimate "ROOKIE MISTAKE".  Yet when an inexperienced player makes a simple mistake, it's a "ROOKIE MISTAKE."  It's like all announcers and ex players get off on saying this when it means nothing.  Rant possibly over :P

Back to my original point.  Douchebag #1 is returning to show up Ted Thompson.  That a player's ego can get so big as to ignore how pathetic he looks and more importantly, to disregard the Packers fans that loyally followed him and supported him for so long is unthinkable.

Can you imagine Roethlisberger signing with the Ravens at the end of his career just to spite Rooney or Colbert.  Ridiculous >:( >:( >:(

Hope da Bears kill him.

Oh, and I feel as if Rosenfels would be just fine.  I've always like him as a solid QB who never got a fair shake though he sometimes gets overagressive with his mediocre arm.

Done

[capt. scotty]

And I don't believe the Vikings are bringing him in to "manage games", and you KNOW he didn't come out of retirement just to hand off to Adrian Peterson all day, so what's your point.  He'll lead them to a championship unless he runs into a good running game?

He is, at best, a workable backup QB as he is right now (39, coming off surgery and still with a torn rotator cuff).  And he is being treated like a god amongst men.

My point is he's better than what the Vikes had.

I didnt say they got him to manage games, I said the general perception is that the Vikes would be better off with a game manager QB, as opposed to a gunslinger, because of their great run game and run D.

Ive been annoyed with all this media drama with him the last 18 months as much as anyone, just like all the talk about whose gonna sign Vick 24/7, but the fact of the matter is even though he's a shell of himself, hes still better than Rosenfels or Jackson (who it sounds like theyre getting rid of).

And I sure as shit will love watching his games vs. GB this year.

Can you imagine Roethlisberger signing with the Ravens at the end of his career just to spite Rooney or Colbert.  Ridiculous >:( >:(

This would never happen because #1) Roeth wouldnt cause all this drama. Hed retire and be done with it. #2) Just like Hines Ward, Bettis, and those before them, the Rooney's will keep him around until he retires, even if it means a couple of years of mediocrity.

[aMillionDreams]

And I don't believe the Vikings are bringing him in to "manage games", and you KNOW he didn't come out of retirement just to hand off to Adrian Peterson all day, so what's your point.  He'll lead them to a championship unless he runs into a good running game?

He is, at best, a workable backup QB as he is right now (39, coming off surgery and still with a torn rotator cuff).  And he is being treated like a god amongst men.

My point is he's better than what the Vikes had.

I didnt say they got him to manage games, I said the general perception is that the Vikes would be better off with a game manager QB, as opposed to a gunslinger, because of their great run game and run D.

Ive been annoyed with all this media drama with him the last 18 months as much as anyone, just like all the talk about whose gonna sign Vick 24/7, but the fact of the matter is even though he's a shell of himself, hes still better than Rosenfels or Jackson (who it sounds like theyre getting rid of).

And I sure as shit will love watching his games vs. GB this year.

Can you imagine Roethlisberger signing with the Ravens at the end of his career just to spite Rooney or Colbert.  Ridiculous >:( >:(

This would never happen because #1) Roeth wouldnt cause all this drama. Hed retire and be done with it. #2) Just like Hines Ward, Bettis, and those before them, the Rooney's will keep him around until he retires, even if it means a couple of years of mediocrity.

Still don't get your point, Capn.  Now you're saying the Vikes are pretty off with Favre because he's a game manager not a gunslinger?  If so, I'll have to ask if you've ever seen Favre play?  Or know that he has more INTs than any other player to ever play the game?

A game manager he is not.  His gunslinger days are over!  I don't understand why you or anyone think he would be better than Rosenfels or Jackson.  But then again I was asking myself the same question when people said the Jets were better off than with Pennington.  And I also asked myself the same question when people said the Packers were better off with Favre than with Aaron Rodgers.  Some of us learn from history, others seem to have their heads wedged too far up Brett Favre's ass to see clearly.

Okay, now I'm done until I have even more reason to say I told you so about Favre again!

[capt. scotty]

Ok, here's what Im trying to say:

-Farve is better than any QB they have, right now. Rosenfels is the only one even close, but I still think theyre better with Farve

-Most people think considering how good the Vikes run game and run D is, theyd be better off with a game managing QB who wouldnt turn the ball over so much - say like, Jason Campbell.

-Farve is not that kind of QB, but despite that thought which I probably agree with, I still think theyre better off with Farve as their QB


As for the the other situations you mention, the Pennington one was questionable. However, he never got it done really in NY despite having some pretty solid teams around him. Part of his success with Miami is rendered in him playing in a climate like that, just like some of his struggles in NY were due to the tough weather there in Nov and Dec. Dont remember what NYJ got in return for him, but it was probably a solid move on both sides.

The only thing holding GB back from getting rid of him was he was/is a legend and future HOF'er there, and you dont do that to guys like that, especially in a town/organization like GB, but Farve's retirement riverdancing helped substantiate that move some. They spent a 1st round pick on Rodgers, he sat for I think 2 years, and they had above average skill position players and a solid OLine in place for him to succeed as soon as he started. When you throw emotional ties out the window, thats an easy decision for GB.

I dont hate Farve, but I dont like him enough to cloud my vision concerning what he is at this point, and he's better then Herbie Rosenfels, Travis Jackson, and Nascar David Booty, who are also are clearly worse than Pennington or Rodgers.

[Ruckus]

Got good seats to see my boy Mark Sanchez strut his stuff on Monday night against the Ravens next week.  I know, I know it's only preseason but obviously our QB situation has much to do with how we hold up in the AFC East this season.  The return of Rex Ryan, Bart Scott and Jim Leonhard adds intrigue.

[capt. scotty]

Got good seats to see my boy Mark Sanchez strut his stuff on Monday night against the Ravens next week.  I know, I know it's only preseason but obviously our QB situation has much to do with how we hold up in the AFC East this season.  The return of Rex Ryan, Bart Scott and Jim Leonhard adds intrigue.

at least its game 3 though. youll get at least a half for the starters, probably more for at least Sanchez.

[aMillionDreams]

One made up word:

OCHOCINCO!!!!!

[Ruckus]

One made up word:

OCHOCINCO!!!!!

Child please

[corey]

Andre Smith finally signed. I know he's made some poor decisions this year (the shirt incident, who he lets represent him legally, etc), but I hope he does well for the Bungals. They don't seem to have their shit together in the front office.