Need to get this thing started again over here....
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This weeks BH picks for betting purposes only.
Purdue +14.5 OVER Notre Dame
Air Force +21.5 OVER Michigan
Alabam -40 OVER Western Kentucky
I'm interested in that Purdue-ND game.
Purdue is supposed to be an improved football team and this will tell us how improved they really are. And also, is ND that good or is Navy just not a very good football team.
It would be difficult for me to take Michigan with that point spread. If I were a betting man, my money would be on AF, but I would hardly be upset to lose money because Michigan covered the spread. I think, if UofM can come out and put that Alabama game behind them, they have a good chance of winning this game big. But if they are still feeling the hangover affects of that Bama beatdown, AF might make this game interesting... :-\
Quote from: BH on Sep 06, 2012, 12:59 PM
This weeks BH picks for betting purposes only.
Purdue +14.5 OVER Notre Dame
Air Force +21.5 OVER Michigan
Alabam -40 OVER Western Kentucky
i like that Purdue pick. no way the extended travel doesn't affect the Irish somewhat.
Good luck today BH, I'm pulling for Mizzou!
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Sep 08, 2012, 02:06 PM
Good luck today BH, I'm pulling for Mizzou!
Thanks man, I'm getting nervous!
Quote from: BH on Sep 06, 2012, 12:59 PM
This weeks BH picks for betting purposes only.
Purdue +14.5 OVER Notre Dame
Air Force +21.5 OVER Michigan
Alabam -40 OVER Western Kentucky
So close. I really should stay away from those big spreads.
Quote from: BH on Sep 08, 2012, 07:04 PM
Quote from: BH on Sep 06, 2012, 12:59 PM
This weeks BH picks for betting purposes only.
Purdue +14.5 OVER Notre Dame
Air Force +21.5 OVER Michigan
Alabam -40 OVER Western Kentucky
So close. I really should stay away from those big spreads.
Aahh. Meatloaf didn't know jack shit when it comes to parlays. :angry: Two out of three ain't bad my ass! ( unless of course you're a bookie) :wink:
Quote from: ericm on Sep 08, 2012, 07:21 PM
Quote from: BH on Sep 08, 2012, 07:04 PM
Quote from: BH on Sep 06, 2012, 12:59 PM
This weeks BH picks for betting purposes only.
Purdue +14.5 OVER Notre Dame
Air Force +21.5 OVER Michigan
Alabam -40 OVER Western Kentucky
So close. I really should stay away from those big spreads.
Aahh. Meatloaf didn't know jack shit when it comes to parlays. :angry: Two out of three ain't bad my ass! ( unless of course you're a bookie) :wink:
Exactly. I'd actually feel better if I lost all three!
Quote from: BH on Sep 08, 2012, 06:04 PM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Sep 08, 2012, 02:06 PM
Good luck today BH, I'm pulling for Mizzou!
Thanks man, I'm getting nervous!
OK, just saw your uniforms. I might pull for UGA :undecided:
In regards to last week, I stated that Michigan had nothing for Alabama and that proved pretty true. They were only ranked #9 preseason as a means of promoting a top ten matchup in week 1. Who picks these rankings anyway? USC preseason #1...pleeeasee. Just go ahead and make the BCS trophy for the SEC again. Even though it'll be a slight down year for the power of the conference, welcome to the SEC Texas A&M and Missouri :thumbsup:
Quote from: BH on Sep 08, 2012, 06:04 PM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Sep 08, 2012, 02:06 PM
Good luck today BH, I'm pulling for Mizzou!
Thanks man, I'm getting nervous!
old man football eh?! welcome to the sec mizzou and go dawgs!! :beer:
Quote from: Mahgeetah34 on Sep 09, 2012, 01:30 AM
In regards to last week, I stated that Michigan had nothing for Alabama and that proved pretty true. They were only ranked #9 preseason as a means of promoting a top ten matchup in week 1. Who picks these rankings anyway? USC preseason #1...pleeeasee. Just go ahead and make the BCS trophy for the SEC again. Even though it'll be a slight down year for the power of the conference, welcome to the SEC Texas A&M and Missouri :thumbsup:
I agree that Michigan was a bit overrated, but not as much as Arkansas... :grin: I see that Jon L. still has it... :beer:
I still think Michigan has a good shot at getting to Pasadena. The B1G is just not very good this year. Michigan may have taken it on the chin in playing Alabama, but at least they did it against arguably the best team in the country. Watching Nebraska and Wisky losing to, what I would consider, lesser Pac12 oppenents was much more embarrassing for the conference. The B1G took it on the chin yesterday with the exception of Northwestern winning the battle of the academic schools with their win over Vandy and the SEC! :cool:
Upon the ULM upset at Arkansas, College Gameday has switched from covering Bama-Arky this week to Florida vs. Tennessee which I think is a better match-up anyway.
I've been sweating this Arkansas game all summer, but they didn't give me too much to worry about last weekend, but I suppose they could have chosen not to prepare for the Warhawks and were looking ahead to playing the #1 team in the country. I can't give Arkansas too much shit for that loss though, the only time I ever convinced my Dad to come to Tuscaloosa for an Alabama game was my freshman year in 2007, the infamous ULM-Alabama upset. More importantly, Louisiana-Monroe travels to Auburn this weekend!! Auburn is sitting at -16.5 favorites last time, I checked. Is it just me or does that seem like too much considering how bad Auburn has looked in its first two games?? Albeit, they faced respectable competition in those 1st two games, Clemson & Miss. St, but still...they're pretty awful up to this point.
Quote from: The Bama Bear on Sep 10, 2012, 02:56 AM
Auburn is sitting at -16.5 favorites last time, I checked. Is it just me or does that seem like too much considering how bad Auburn has looked in its first two games?? Albeit, they faced respectable competition in those 1st two games, Clemson & Miss. St, but still...they're pretty awful up to this point.
People are finding out just how much Cam Newton made Gene Chizik look like a great coach. I watched the Auburn game Saturday and it didn't look like Frazier knew what to do out there.
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Quote from: Jon T. on Sep 10, 2012, 02:48 PM
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holy shit.....
thank you!
Quote from: Jon T. on Sep 10, 2012, 02:48 PM
Piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig Sooooie!
http://youtu.be/IZ1BO0vAUD8 (http://youtu.be/IZ1BO0vAUD8)
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Quote from: Jon T. on Sep 10, 2012, 02:48 PM
Piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig Sooooie!
http://youtu.be/IZ1BO0vAUD8 (http://youtu.be/IZ1BO0vAUD8)
haha i just busted out laughing in the airport
Quote from: Jon T. on Sep 10, 2012, 02:48 PM
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My God Jon?! :grin:
Let's try this again:
Mizzou -7.0 OVER Arizona State
Kansas State -28.0 OVER North Texas
Arkansas +21.0 OVER Alabama
Quote from: BH on Sep 13, 2012, 11:43 AM
Let's try this again:
Mizzou -7.0 OVER Arizona State
Kansas State -28.0 OVER North Texas
Arkansas +21.0 OVER Alabama
Don't you know that every college game is rigged? Boosters gamble like crazy and pressure programs. You think the 2nd wide receiver for North Texas didn't take 5 grand to fumble once and their right guard to take a couple of holdings?
Good luck sir :thumbsup:
Quote from: BH on Sep 13, 2012, 11:43 AM
Let's try this again:
Mizzou -7.0 OVER Arizona State
Kansas State -28.0 OVER North Texas
Arkansas +21.0 OVER Alabama
Razorbacks? meh :undecided:
Arkansas is always overrated and with a new coach and the QB questionable.... I dunno.
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Sep 13, 2012, 01:49 PM
Quote from: BH on Sep 13, 2012, 11:43 AM
Let's try this again:
Mizzou -7.0 OVER Arizona State
Kansas State -28.0 OVER North Texas
Arkansas +21.0 OVER Alabama
Razorbacks? meh :undecided:
Arkansas is always overrated and with a new coach and the QB questionable.... I dunno.
It's not just ANY new coach. It's Jon L. Smith. :grin: Overrated coach to fit perfectly with an overrated program. I know a lot of programs that would rebound after a bad loss like Arkansas had but I don't see Jon L. rallying the troops here. The Hogs might cover the spread, but Bama wins easy...
There are a couple of games I'm interested in and they are MSU/ND and Tenn/UF. Also Tracy, OleMiss/Texas might not be a bad game. Ole Miss is 2-0 and Texas has been looking pretty good against overmatched opponents.
John L. Smith wants you to smile...SMILE!!!!!!! :evil:
John L. Smith Wants The Media To Smile (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d3nRp77x50#ws)
Well, the SEC owns four of the top six spots in the latest poll (Alabama, LSU, Georgia and South Carolina). I'm telling you what though, Missouri and Texas A&M absolutely belong in the SEC. I wonder if Missouri can lose an SEC game by less than double digits? They really hung in there lately haha. Seriously, go ahead and make BCS trophy #7 for the conference.
Quote from: Mahgeetah34 on Sep 23, 2012, 01:22 PM
Well, the SEC owns four of the top six spots in the latest poll (Alabama, LSU, Georgia and South Carolina). I'm telling you what though, Missouri and Texas A&M absolutely belong in the SEC. I wonder if Missouri can lose an SEC game by less than double digits? They really hung in there lately haha. Seriously, go ahead and make BCS trophy #7 for the conference.
I guess Auburn doesn't belong either based on 1/3 of a season.
Auburn is absolutely awful this year like Arkansas, but they did contribute a national title two years ago with Cam Newton so they get a pass.
Quote from: Mahgeetah34 on Sep 23, 2012, 05:52 PM
Auburn is absolutely awful this year like Arkansas, but they did contribute a national title two years ago with Cam Newton so they get a pass.
Who's your team, Tennessee?
@ BH. I attended the South Carolina/Missouri game on Saturday. We bought tickets and ended up on the 3rd row in Section 14, which ended up great because we could watch the game on the giant screen. We had three Missouri fans, probably in their 20s in front of us. First thing they ask us if we want some whiskey. We declined, as security was right there, six feet away from us. This one guy had the loudest black and yellow Missouri pants on I have ever seen. I wanted to complement him on his pants, but I was afraid he would think I was making fun of him. I will say that they were incredibly well behaved, even though they were drinking liquor in the sun. I don't know if I would have been able to hold it that together that well in my youth. Well, probably in the 3rd quarter or so, security came over and took three pints away from them, but they were able to stay in the game. I had a couple of other discussions with Missouri fans during the day. If these ten people that I ran into are any indication of your fans, then I officially welcome you into the SEC. We are not used to opposing fans coming in and respecting our house, whether they are winning or not!!
jcoyote, I hope you feel the same way about georgia fans in 2 weeks! :beer: I'm hoping gameday is there since it has been scheduled for 7 pm and its number 5 vs 6
Quote from: davymac on Sep 25, 2012, 11:59 AM
jcoyote, I hope you feel the same way about georgia fans in 2 weeks! :beer: I'm hoping gameday is there since it has been scheduled for 7 pm and its number 5 vs 6
Davymac, I will NEVER feel that way about Georgia fans. I know too much about y'all already, especially Dawg Fans coming into WB. :evil: That will surely be a HELL of a game. A sure-thing Proving Ground, as J.B. once elequently stated, "Find out just how tall I am by jumping in the middle of a river."
I know South Carolina has not proven itself yet, and really the only comparison that they have is Vandy. I have not watched Georgia play. I also know the best time of the year to play Georgia is the beginning of the season. One thing for sure Florida and Tennessee, while they may be reloading, are not a threat this year to the East. It's just you and me.
I am hoping Georgia trips up this weekend, but I don't think it will happen. The same as I hoped they tripped up against Vandy.
Wishing for a good game w/ no injuries.
While I agree that I don't think Tennessee is any sort of threat, I wouldn't sleep on UF. They've already won two tough games on the road this season which is more than can be said about any South Carolina wins to date...
Not a Gator fan, but I'm just sayin' I wouldn't take the Gators too lightly.
Anyways. In the end, does it really matter who comes out of the east? I think the SEC champ comes from the West...
Quote from: jcoyote on Sep 25, 2012, 11:13 AM
@ BH. I attended the South Carolina/Missouri game on Saturday. We bought tickets and ended up on the 3rd row in Section 14, which ended up great because we could watch the game on the giant screen. We had three Missouri fans, probably in their 20s in front of us. First thing they ask us if we want some whiskey. We declined, as security was right there, six feet away from us. This one guy had the loudest black and yellow Missouri pants on I have ever seen. I wanted to complement him on his pants, but I was afraid he would think I was making fun of him. I will say that they were incredibly well behaved, even though they were drinking liquor in the sun. I don't know if I would have been able to hold it that together that well in my youth. Well, probably in the 3rd quarter or so, security came over and took three pints away from them, but they were able to stay in the game. I had a couple of other discussions with Missouri fans during the day. If these ten people that I ran into are any indication of your fans, then I officially welcome you into the SEC. We are not used to opposing fans coming in and respecting our house, whether they are winning or not!!
That's good to hear! Of course there are all types everywhere you go so you may yet run into a few loudmouth assholes. But for the most part, Mizzou fans are looking to have a good time first and foremost. Plus we have yet to develop any hated rivals in our new league. If you had KU blue on, you may have a different view today! We certainly have become experts at sneaking in booze. (Side rant: Why do they sell alcohol in the "Club Level" but nowhere else? Where's the justice? Last I checked you had to be 21 to drink, not rich.)
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Sep 25, 2012, 04:15 PM
While I agree that I don't think Tennessee is any sort of threat, I wouldn't sleep on UF. They've already won two tough games on the road this season which is more than can be said about any South Carolina wins to date...
Not a Gator fan, but I'm just sayin' I wouldn't take the Gators too lightly.
Anyways. In the end, does it really matter who comes out of the east? I think the SEC champ comes from the West...
Oh, no. I understand South Carolina can't take Florida lightly. You can't take anyone lightly. LSU almost found that out. Oct. 6th will be a huge day for SEC Football. We will find out a great deal on where all these teams are, including South Carolina. While Alabama would already have a quality win if they had beaten Arkansas on a good year, they are an extremely poor team. It is wide open at this time!! If either South Carolina or Florida can beat LSU now, then LSU somehow gets by Alabama, that will cause such a ruckus in the West it won't even be funny!! All the West has now is LSU and Alabama. It is past time for the East to be the top Division!!
Quote from: BH on Sep 25, 2012, 04:16 PM
Quote from: jcoyote on Sep 25, 2012, 11:13 AM
@ BH. I attended the South Carolina/Missouri game on Saturday. We bought tickets and ended up on the 3rd row in Section 14, which ended up great because we could watch the game on the giant screen. We had three Missouri fans, probably in their 20s in front of us. First thing they ask us if we want some whiskey. We declined, as security was right there, six feet away from us. This one guy had the loudest black and yellow Missouri pants on I have ever seen. I wanted to complement him on his pants, but I was afraid he would think I was making fun of him. I will say that they were incredibly well behaved, even though they were drinking liquor in the sun. I don't know if I would have been able to hold it that together that well in my youth. Well, probably in the 3rd quarter or so, security came over and took three pints away from them, but they were able to stay in the game. I had a couple of other discussions with Missouri fans during the day. If these ten people that I ran into are any indication of your fans, then I officially welcome you into the SEC. We are not used to opposing fans coming in and respecting our house, whether they are winning or not!!
That's good to hear! Of course there are all types everywhere you go so you may yet run into a few loudmouth assholes. But for the most part, Mizzou fans are looking to have a good time first and foremost. Plus we have yet to develop any hated rivals in our new league. If you had KU blue on, you may have a different view today! We certainly have become experts at sneaking in booze. (Side rant: Why do they sell alcohol in the "Club Level" but nowhere else? Where's the justice? Last I checked you had to be 21 to drink, not rich.)
No, rich and underage still buys liquor in SC. You can actually bring your own in there, like on a Thursday to stock the bar, but I have never had that opportunity. Piece of advice, we are still able to purchase mini-bottles here. Refill them and purchase a 12oz Coke and hit the men's room. Especially on the 2nd row!!! I felt bad for them, though security had little choice. They didn't get arrested or kicked out of the game, which says something for their demeanor. They would have probably just gotten field-booked, but those pants that guy was wearing were epic. Nice guys.
You still have time to develop some hatred toward your rivals. Bookmark this post to save it once Georgia and LSU fans come into Columbia. We had a black QB by the name of Corey Jenkins back some time ago, and my brother-in-law went down to Baton Rouge. Fans ripped the antennae off his car, and they had lynched an effigy of Corey, complete w/ uniform in the parking lot. Now, all fans are not created equal, but there is a good reason why the SEC does not like to have night games in Baton Rouge.
Quote from: jcoyote on Sep 25, 2012, 05:56 PM
Quote from: BH on Sep 25, 2012, 04:16 PM
Quote from: jcoyote on Sep 25, 2012, 11:13 AM
@ BH. I attended the South Carolina/Missouri game on Saturday. We bought tickets and ended up on the 3rd row in Section 14, which ended up great because we could watch the game on the giant screen. We had three Missouri fans, probably in their 20s in front of us. First thing they ask us if we want some whiskey. We declined, as security was right there, six feet away from us. This one guy had the loudest black and yellow Missouri pants on I have ever seen. I wanted to complement him on his pants, but I was afraid he would think I was making fun of him. I will say that they were incredibly well behaved, even though they were drinking liquor in the sun. I don't know if I would have been able to hold it that together that well in my youth. Well, probably in the 3rd quarter or so, security came over and took three pints away from them, but they were able to stay in the game. I had a couple of other discussions with Missouri fans during the day. If these ten people that I ran into are any indication of your fans, then I officially welcome you into the SEC. We are not used to opposing fans coming in and respecting our house, whether they are winning or not!!
That's good to hear! Of course there are all types everywhere you go so you may yet run into a few loudmouth assholes. But for the most part, Mizzou fans are looking to have a good time first and foremost. Plus we have yet to develop any hated rivals in our new league. If you had KU blue on, you may have a different view today! We certainly have become experts at sneaking in booze. (Side rant: Why do they sell alcohol in the "Club Level" but nowhere else? Where's the justice? Last I checked you had to be 21 to drink, not rich.)
No, rich and underage still buys liquor in SC. You can actually bring your own in there, like on a Thursday to stock the bar, but I have never had that opportunity. Piece of advice, we are still able to purchase mini-bottles here. Refill them and purchase a 12oz Coke and hit the men's room. Especially on the 2nd row!!! I felt bad for them, though security had little choice. They didn't get arrested or kicked out of the game, which says something for their demeanor. They would have probably just gotten field-booked, but those pants that guy was wearing were epic. Nice guys.
You still have time to develop some hatred toward your rivals. Bookmark this post to save it once Georgia and LSU fans come into Columbia. We had a black QB by the name of Corey Jenkins back some time ago, and my brother-in-law went down to Baton Rouge. Fans ripped the antennae off his car, and they had lynched an effigy of Corey, complete w/ uniform in the parking lot. Now, all fans are not created equal, but there is a good reason why the SEC does not like to have night games in Baton Rouge.
You're right every team has their asshole fans, but LSU in Baton Rouge can be bad. I have a friend who goes to bama and got spit on last year for the national championship in New Orleans. Some people definitely take the college football rival thing too far. This weekend is going to be a great weekend for college football!
Quote from: davymac on Oct 03, 2012, 01:23 PM
You're right every team has their asshole fans, but LSU in Baton Rouge can be bad. I have a friend who goes to bama and got spit on last year for the national championship in New Orleans. Some people definitely take the college football rival thing too far. This weekend is going to be a great weekend for college football!
We've got some gems in the B1G too as far as fans go. I think Ohio State fans can be the worst when it comes to how they treat opposing fans, especially those wearing Maize and Blue. I had a friend who went to a game down in Columbus and he was swore at by almost every OSU fan that he passed... Forget the fact that he had his kids (10 and 8) walking beside him?! :rolleyes:
I've also heard stories of PSU fans throwing bags of urine on the Michigan band at Bever Stadium. I'd put them right up there with OSU fans as far as the most classless fans in the B1G...
Man, this isn't good for the program.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8461949/missouri-tigers-wide-receiver-dorial-green-beckham-five-players-suspended (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8461949/missouri-tigers-wide-receiver-dorial-green-beckham-five-players-suspended)
A Lincoln Navigator? He's 17, right?
Quote from: jcoyote on Oct 04, 2012, 04:17 PM
Man, this isn't good for the program.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8461949/missouri-tigers-wide-receiver-dorial-green-beckham-five-players-suspended (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8461949/missouri-tigers-wide-receiver-dorial-green-beckham-five-players-suspended)
A Lincoln Navigator? He's 17, right?
I thought that was legal in the SEC. :huh:
My picks this weekend:
Arkansas > Auburn, Tyler Wilson has a field day.
Georgia > South Carolina, more of a defensive battle rather than offensive.
West Virginia > Texas, Geno Smith is steamrolling fools. Heisman.
Notre Dame > Miami
Ohio State > Nebraska
Florida > LSU!
Quote from: BH on Oct 04, 2012, 05:20 PM
Quote from: jcoyote on Oct 04, 2012, 04:17 PM
Man, this isn't good for the program.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8461949/missouri-tigers-wide-receiver-dorial-green-beckham-five-players-suspended (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8461949/missouri-tigers-wide-receiver-dorial-green-beckham-five-players-suspended)
A Lincoln Navigator? He's 17, right?
I thought that was legal in the SEC. :huh:
haha not at Georgia, pot will land you a 4 game suspension on the first offense under mark richt
Quote from: The Bama Bear on Oct 05, 2012, 04:13 AM
My picks this weekend:
Arkansas > Auburn, Tyler Wilson has a field day.
Georgia > South Carolina, more of a defensive battle rather than offensive.
West Virginia > Texas, Geno Smith is steamrolling fools. Heisman.
Notre Dame > Miami
Ohio State > Nebraska
Florida > LSU!
You are not going to have a good day on Saturday, at least with your SEC picks. Actually, I'd like to see Florida beat LSU to help the East a little bit against the West, but Florida's losing will help SC get to Atlanta quicker. Ar-Kansas won't be beating too many teams this year, Jacksonville State and Tulsa, excluded.
Glad to see Mizzou is making themselves feel right at home in the SEC... :tongue: :beer: :cool:
Quote from: The Bama Bear on Oct 05, 2012, 04:13 AM
My picks this weekend:
Arkansas > Auburn, Tyler Wilson has a field day.
Georgia > South Carolina, more of a defensive battle rather than offensive.
West Virginia > Texas, Geno Smith is steamrolling fools. Heisman.
Notre Dame > Miami
Ohio State > Nebraska
Florida > LSU!
Arkansas is phoning it in; after losing at home to ULM and Rutgers, I have a hard time seeing them going to Auburn and staying within 8
I could see the Florida upset happening
Geno Smith won't score 70 on Texas. Texas might score 70 on WV.
Miami over ND please, (or at least within 14)
great football weekend!
Quote from: The Bama Bear on Oct 05, 2012, 04:13 AM
My picks this weekend:
Arkansas > Auburn, Tyler Wilson has a field day.
Georgia > South Carolina, more of a defensive battle rather than offensive.
West Virginia > Texas, Geno Smith is steamrolling fools. Heisman.
Notre Dame > Miami
Ohio State > Nebraska
Florida > LSU!
Nice, got them all but Georgia.
What a day! South Carolina was electric tonight, I can't wait to see them play Florida later on. And who saw FSU losing to NC State?! #3, 4, and 5 all go down this Saturday. Vandy over Mizzou, lol.
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Oct 05, 2012, 02:21 PM
Arkansas is phoning it in; after losing at home to ULM and Rutgers, I have a hard time seeing them going to Auburn and staying within 8
My word, how bad of a coach is Gene Chizik??? He should be on the phone every day thanking Cam Newton for coming to Auburn because he would be unemployed right now if it wasn't for Cam Newton winning him a NC?!
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Oct 07, 2012, 12:21 PM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Oct 05, 2012, 02:21 PM
Arkansas is phoning it in; after losing at home to ULM and Rutgers, I have a hard time seeing them going to Auburn and staying within 8
My word, how bad of a coach is Gene Chizik??? He should be on the phone every day thanking Cam Newton for coming to Auburn because he would be unemployed right now if it wasn't for Cam Newton winning him a NC?!
I totally didn't see that coming. But glad to see Auburn in a total collapse coming to Oxford next weekend.
Also think West Virginia should be ranked ahead of Florida this week, but rankings at this time of the year are sort of silly.
Well good game jcoyote, I'm not mad Georgia lost, but I am a little ticked we didnt show up and it wasn't even a game, but best of luck to SC this year! Apparently Aaron Murray's house got egged and rolled after the game...more sorry fans if you ask me!
Quote from: davymac on Oct 08, 2012, 08:30 AM
Well good game jcoyote, I'm not mad Georgia lost, but I am a little ticked we didnt show up and it wasn't even a game, but best of luck to SC this year! Apparently Aaron Murray's house got egged and rolled after the game...more sorry fans if you ask me!
Thank you, davymac!! Yes, it was a steamrolling, and life is pleasant in Cola-Town. Great to see LSU fall, but don't know if that is a sign of their weakness or just Florida picking up speed. Guess we will find out Saturday. Much like it was to South Carolina's benefit that the game was played @ WB, I would suspect that Baton Rouge will be on fire this weekend, and their fans will not be happy if they drop two in a row. As mentioned above, Baton Rouge on a Saturday night is not a place to be, unless you are LSU.
Tell me why Alabama is ranked #1, when they share the same record (5-0, 2-0) as Mississppi State #19? They are co-leading the West. Oh, that is because they are Alabama. Should be interesting to see them play Missouri this weekend. I hope they don't devour them like they did Western Kentucky or Ar-Kansas, but we shall see. It must be nice to have an open date and still retain your bid as the #1 team in America.
Quote from: jcoyote on Oct 08, 2012, 10:27 AM
Tell me why Alabama is ranked #1, when they share the same record (5-0, 2-0) as Mississppi State #19? They are co-leading the West. Oh, that is because they are Alabama.
ummmm, maybe it's b/c they have won the national championship 2 of the last 3 years? Mississippi State's victories have come against teams with a combined W/L record of 8-19; the only win against someone with a winning record was against 3-2 Troy, which they eeeked out 30-24.
Tell me, who should be #1 right now?
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Oct 08, 2012, 12:00 PM
Quote from: jcoyote on Oct 08, 2012, 10:27 AM
Tell me why Alabama is ranked #1, when they share the same record (5-0, 2-0) as Mississppi State #19? They are co-leading the West. Oh, that is because they are Alabama.
ummmm, maybe it's b/c they have won the national championship 2 of the last 3 years? Mississippi State's victories have come against teams with a combined W/L record of 8-19; the only win against someone with a winning record was against 3-2 Troy, which they eeeked out 30-24.
Tell me, who should be #1 right now?
Ummmmmm, It is very interesting that you bring up Mississppi State's opponent's W/L record, when Alabama is 5-0 against teams that are a combined 13-14, and two of those five wins come against Western Kentucky and Florida Atlantic. Plus, they had an open date and did not fall at least a spot. Ask Auburn if it mattered in 2011 that they won the National Championship in 2010. 2010 does not matter any more than it did when Alabama came into WB and left w/ their tails between legs. Alabama has played only two conference games, + Michigan (which was a great win). I'm not saying that Alabama is not a great team, I just don't think they're the best team in the nation.
To answer your question, Oregon. If South Carolina goes into Baton Rouge and beats LSU by 10, then South Carolina.
Quote from: jcoyote on Oct 08, 2012, 12:50 PM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Oct 08, 2012, 12:00 PM
Quote from: jcoyote on Oct 08, 2012, 10:27 AM
Tell me why Alabama is ranked #1, when they share the same record (5-0, 2-0) as Mississppi State #19? They are co-leading the West. Oh, that is because they are Alabama.
ummmm, maybe it's b/c they have won the national championship 2 of the last 3 years? Mississippi State's victories have come against teams with a combined W/L record of 8-19; the only win against someone with a winning record was against 3-2 Troy, which they eeeked out 30-24.
Tell me, who should be #1 right now?
Ummmmmm, It is very interesting that you bring up Mississppi State's opponent's W/L record, when Alabama is 5-0 against teams that are a combined 13-14, and two of those five wins come against Western Kentucky and Florida Atlantic. Plus, they had an open date and did not fall at least a spot. Ask Auburn if it mattered in 2011 that they won the National Championship in 2010. 2010 does not matter any more than it did when Alabama came into WB and left w/ their tails between legs. Alabama has played only two conference games, + Michigan (which was a great win). I'm not saying that Alabama is not a great team, I just don't think they're the best team in the nation.
To answer your question, Oregon. If South Carolina goes into Baton Rouge and beats LSU by 10, then South Carolina.
13-14 > 8-19
just sayin'
Not only did Bama not drop out of #1 after a bye week, they got 60 votes in the AP Poll for #1 (that's 60 out of 60 possible; 100%),
58 out of 59 votes for #1 in USA Today poll (that's 98%), and 108 out of 113 for #1 in the Harris poll (that's 95%). 97.6% in all 3 polls combined feel Bama is number 1. Agreed, not a consensus, but...
And Oregon #1? You call yourself an SEC fan? You sound more like a Bama hater. :lipsrsealed:
What has Alabama done this year that would make the voters decide to drop them in the rankings for having a bye week? They've steamrolled every opponent on their schedule. I don't care how weak some of them were. It's not like your Gamecocks haven't had their share of weak opponents so far this season?! UAB? UK? East Carolina?
Also, why is playing Mizzou suddenly an interesting matchup? Mizzou is now 0-3 in the SEC with a loss to Vandy?! And that loss to Vandy was in Columbia!!! If Mizzou can only manage 15 points vs. Vandy at home, please tell us why we should expect them to come within 21 points of beating Alabama?
Bottom line is, Alabama is the defending NC's. They're currently 5-0 and they've been winning by an average of 34 ppg. Hardly anything there that would lead me to believe that anyone should be ranked ahead of them at the moment.
I think the bigger question you need to ask is why USC is ranked ahead of Florida? I mean, they're both 5-0 but who has the more impressive resume? Clearly Florida has played a much tougher schedule with road wins over Texas A&M (4-1) and Tennessee (3-2) and their win over previously undefeated LSU last week. If you want to make an argument over someone being slighted, it is Florida and not your Gamecocks...
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Oct 08, 2012, 01:13 PM
If you want to make an argument over someone being slighted, it is Florida and not your Gamecocks...
This. ^
Plus >
Oh, that is because they are Alabama. = Oh, that is because they are coached by Spurrier. If Spurrier was at UF and Muschamp at SC, UF would be #2 and SC would #6 or #7.
And on second thought, Georgia was overrated after their wins over....who??
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Oct 08, 2012, 01:19 PM
And on second thought, Georgia was overrated after their wins over....who??
Exactly! I kept hearing how good UGA's defense was coming into this game. Why was that exactly? I mean, they gave up 44 points to Tennessee? And that win at Mizzou for the Bulldogs isn't looking as good anymore after the mighty Commodores did it to Mizzou in Columbia as well...
That is a good point regarding Florida, and no doubt Spurrier's name helps, but that is the way it goes. Look at Ohio State this year w/ Urban. Look at Saban. Those names build the rankings up. I don't think Georgia was a #5 team, but that is what they were ranked. Same as I don't think Alabama has been tested yet to say they are #1, but that is what the deal is. Maybe South Carolina as well has not been truly tested as of yet. That is why I love this time of the year, the rankings will get clearer. It will be interesting this week against Missouri, because they are an in-conference opponent, and have nothing to lose. Remember when Alabama came to SC in 2010? It happens. I think Georgia was touted as an offensively strong team, as opposed to defense. They even have the a nickname for two of the players together. The South Carolina/Georgia game was billed more Georgia offense vs. South Carolina defense. One thing you can't argue (or maybe you can), is that South Carolina is playing on both sides of the ball better. SC is ranked #43 offensively, while Alabama is ranked #80 and defensively, SC is ranked #2, with Alabama #17, along with five other teams.
And it's not just me who thinks Alabama is unproven. ESPN link.
http://espn.go.com/ncf/notebook/_/page/football-121008Schlabach/week-7 (http://espn.go.com/ncf/notebook/_/page/football-121008Schlabach/week-7)
Bottom line is, I hope the SEC brings home the crystal ball this year.
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Oct 08, 2012, 01:19 PM
And on second thought, Georgia was overrated after their wins over....who??
That is another excellent point. If a team plays and demolishes an unranked opponent, they have not played anyone and don't have a quality win. If they demolish a highly ranked opponent, that team was not as good as they were ranked, and were overranked, and should not be counted as a high quality win. I guess someone has to be ranked #1. Why NOT Alabama? My wishing Alabama to drop after a bye week was probably ill-willed, but if SC wins out @ LSU, Florida, then Tennessee, would they drop on an open date after not playing on November 3rd? I've seen it happen.
The bottom line is, SC controls it's own destiny for the time being. They're sitting 3rd in the nation which ain't too shabby. If they win out, they'll be playing in the SEC Championship game and right now, that looks like it will be against Alabama. And the winner of that game will go on to play for the NC. End of story.
FSU did everyone a HUGE favor in losing over the weekend because they could have thrown a big wrench in things if they finished the season undefeated.
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Oct 08, 2012, 02:20 PM
The bottom line is, SC controls it's own destiny for the time being. They're sitting 3rd in the nation which ain't too shabby. If they win out, they'll be playing in the SEC Championship game and right now, that looks like it will be against Alabama. And the winner of that game will go on to play for the NC. End of story.
FSU did everyone a HUGE favor in losing over the weekend because they could have thrown a big wrench in things if they finished the season undefeated.
I agree on all points. The best thing regarding the FSU game was that they beat Clemson, then lost to NC State. Clemson now has to play NC State. But as we all know, anything could happen. It's tough having a target on your head.
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Oct 08, 2012, 01:34 PM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Oct 08, 2012, 01:19 PM
And on second thought, Georgia was overrated after their wins over....who??
Exactly! I kept hearing how good UGA's defense was coming into this game. Why was that exactly? I mean, they gave up 44 points to Tennessee? And that win at Mizzou for the Bulldogs isn't looking as good anymore after the mighty Commodores did it to Mizzou in Columbia as well...
YOu may not have noticed that our starting quarterback went out after the first quarter. And our back up quarterback SUCKS. However, if he is back this week, we should only lose by about 21. If he is not back, and probably won't be, we will lose by 77. Seriously, if Franklin is not playing, I would put ALL your money on Alabama, no matter what the spread is.
Yeah...Franklin is out. Yikes.
jcoyote, this has to be one of the biggest (if not the biggest) game in SC history Saturday, right? And the line is 2 1/2!
HHmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm :huh:
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Oct 09, 2012, 08:23 AM
jcoyote, this has to be one of the biggest (if not the biggest) game in SC history Saturday, right? And the line is 2 1/2!
HHmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm :huh:
Actually, it opened South Carolina (-4), but is now (-2.5-3.5) range. LSU gets 3 automatically for playing @ home. Keep in mind the South Carolina/Georgia came was around SC (+1). I stand by and will either reap praise or be laughed at next week and declare now that SC can go into Baton Rouge and take care of business. A one point lead @ 0:00 will make me ecstatic. LSU simply does not have the talent this year. Mattheu (sp?) is REALLY being missed. I do agree this is the biggest game in SC history, as the Florida game next week will as well. Knowing that the Auburn game last year cost SC the Atlanta bid, no chances will be taken this year. Spurrier is a better coach than Miles, and w/o talent this year, Spurrier will prevail. Put that in your signature line and smoke it.
Quote from: jcoyote on Oct 09, 2012, 08:40 AM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Oct 09, 2012, 08:23 AM
jcoyote, this has to be one of the biggest (if not the biggest) game in SC history Saturday, right? And the line is 2 1/2!
HHmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm :huh:
Actually, it opened South Carolina (-4), but is now (-2.5-3.5) range. LSU gets 3 automatically for playing @ home. Keep in mind the South Carolina/Georgia came was around SC (+1). I stand by and will either reap praise or be laughed at next week and declare now that SC can go into Baton Rouge and take care of business. A one point lead @ 0:00 will make me ecstatic. LSU simply does not have the talent this year. Mattheu (sp?) is REALLY being missed. I do agree this is the biggest game in SC history, as the Florida game next week will as well. Knowing that the Auburn game last year cost SC the Atlanta bid, no chances will be taken this year. Spurrier is a better coach than Miles, and w/o talent this year, Spurrier will prevail. Put that in your signature line and smoke it.
I have to agree with you. LSU is just not that good this year. Defensively, they are as good as anyone in the country, but they can't score for shit. And Florida proved that, if you can run, you can wear down that LSU defense as we saw in the 2nd half of that game in Gainesville. And if there's one thing SC does well, it's running the football. And if SC can pitch a shutout (almost) against UGA, good luck on that anemic LSU offense scoring much against that SC defense.
I look for the nation's longest home win streak to come to an end Saturday...
Quote from: jcoyote on Oct 09, 2012, 08:40 AM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Oct 09, 2012, 08:23 AM
jcoyote, this has to be one of the biggest (if not the biggest) game in SC history Saturday, right? And the line is 2 1/2!
HHmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm :huh:
Actually, it opened South Carolina (-4), but is now (-2.5-3.5) range. LSU gets 3 automatically for playing @ home. Keep in mind the South Carolina/Georgia came was around SC (+1). I stand by and will either reap praise or be laughed at next week and declare now that SC can go into Baton Rouge and take care of business. A one point lead @ 0:00 will make me ecstatic. LSU simply does not have the talent this year. Mattheu (sp?) is REALLY being missed. I do agree this is the biggest game in SC history, as the Florida game next week will as well. Knowing that the Auburn game last year cost SC the Atlanta bid, no chances will be taken this year. Spurrier is a better coach than Miles, and w/o talent this year, Spurrier will prevail. Put that in your signature line and smoke it.
LSU simply does not have the talent this year? Sounds like it isn't the fact SC is so good, more than LSU is down. :undecided:
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Oct 09, 2012, 05:47 PM
Quote from: jcoyote on Oct 09, 2012, 08:40 AM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Oct 09, 2012, 08:23 AM
jcoyote, this has to be one of the biggest (if not the biggest) game in SC history Saturday, right? And the line is 2 1/2!
HHmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm :huh:
Actually, it opened South Carolina (-4), but is now (-2.5-3.5) range. LSU gets 3 automatically for playing @ home. Keep in mind the South Carolina/Georgia came was around SC (+1). I stand by and will either reap praise or be laughed at next week and declare now that SC can go into Baton Rouge and take care of business. A one point lead @ 0:00 will make me ecstatic. LSU simply does not have the talent this year. Mattheu (sp?) is REALLY being missed. I do agree this is the biggest game in SC history, as the Florida game next week will as well. Knowing that the Auburn game last year cost SC the Atlanta bid, no chances will be taken this year. Spurrier is a better coach than Miles, and w/o talent this year, Spurrier will prevail. Put that in your signature line and smoke it.
LSU simply does not have the talent this year? Sounds like it isn't the fact SC is so good, more than LSU is down. :undecided:
It is a combination of both. A combination the Gamecocks are happy to take advantage of. Earlier, the spread was LSU by 2.5. I guess spreads mean something, but they didn't October 6th. It would be interesting, but not interersting enough for me to search, the last time a visiting team has been favored in Baton Rouge, and if they have ever been favored at night. I guarantee that hasn't happened in a long time. Anyway, I found this, which highlights what an earlier poster said about Florida. Very interesting.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--forde-yard-dash--computers-crunching-funny-numbers-with-first-bcs-poll-on-its-way.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--forde-yard-dash--computers-crunching-funny-numbers-with-first-bcs-poll-on-its-way.html)
Forde really rubs me the wrong way sometimes. He lists the pros for ND as being 4 victories over major conference opponents. Those major conferences??? The B1G and the ACC??? Wow?! And included in those wins was a win at home vs. Michigan in which they won by a mere 7 points despite Michigan giving them 5 turnovers (2 of which came inside their own 10 yardline)?!
Meanwhile, he goes on to discredit Alabama's convincing win over Michigan because they are a "disappointing team"???
Furthermore, what exactly is disappointing in having 2 losses to 2 top 10 teams again? Oh, and that disappointing Michigan team was picked by everyone (including Forde on the B1G Network) and their mother to lose at Purdue last weekend and all they did was win 41-13?! This "disappointing" Michigan team still has a very good shot of playing in the Rose Bowl on New Years Day...
Wow, came back in here to take my punishment about the South Carolina loss, and found there was none. I guess the majority of people here really don't care for college football. Anyway, we spent six days out in San Francisco, so didn't take the laptop, and didn't spend much time on the internet on my phone. Just tried to take everything in. Ate a couple of clam chowder bread bowls @ Fisherman's Wharf, and tried to find a spare copy of Okonokos vinyl @ Amoeba, which didn't pan out any better than South Carolina going to Baton Rouge on a Saturday night. Spread was around 2.5, which was very close. If you would have watched the game w/o knowing the score, it was probably closer to 28-10. Never underestimate The Hat. Hopefully this weekend will fare better. I think/hope Spurrier is playing mind games about Lattimore and Clowney. If they don't play, it will be devastating. I'm not making excuses, just stating fact. Hoping for an injury free game for both teams.
Quote from: jcoyote on Oct 19, 2012, 08:48 AM
Wow, came back in here to take my punishment about the South Carolina loss, and found there was none. I guess the majority of people here really don't care for college football. Anyway, we spent six days out in San Francisco, so didn't take the laptop, and didn't spend much time on the internet on my phone. Just tried to take everything in. Ate a couple of clam chowder bread bowls @ Fisherman's Wharf, and tried to find a spare copy of Okonokos vinyl @ Amoeba, which didn't pan out any better than South Carolina going to Baton Rouge on a Saturday night. Spread was around 2.5, which was very close. If you would have watched the game w/o knowing the score, it was probably closer to 28-10. Never underestimate The Hat. Hopefully this weekend will fare better. I think/hope Spurrier is playing mind games about Lattimore and Clowney. If they don't play, it will be devastating. I'm not making excuses, just stating fact. Hoping for an injury free game for both teams.
South Carolina loses to LSU in Death Valley :undecided:
I am a huge college football fan. SC losing at Baton Rogue was nothing to blink at. They couldn't get it done and that didn't surprise me. Your program hasn't risen to the level of true smack, IMO, so sorry to disappoint you if you came here to be "punished". I was actually pulling for you guys but couldn't care less towards the end of the game.
Here's hoping Vanderbilt continues to pile on to Auburn's miserable season.
I'm in no position to give anyone trouble about their college football team.
Bring on the Hoops SEC! :wink:
Quote from: BH on Oct 19, 2012, 11:44 AM
I'm in no position to give anyone trouble about their college football team.
Bring on the Hoops SEC! :wink:
isn't that the truth! :grin: i was tellling my wife before the game that i thought it was going to be much closer than everyone thought. :embarrassed:
I have not heard anything about that nasty injury last week. Have you?
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Oct 19, 2012, 09:36 AM
Quote from: jcoyote on Oct 19, 2012, 08:48 AM
Wow, came back in here to take my punishment about the South Carolina loss, and found there was none. I guess the majority of people here really don't care for college football. Anyway, we spent six days out in San Francisco, so didn't take the laptop, and didn't spend much time on the internet on my phone. Just tried to take everything in. Ate a couple of clam chowder bread bowls @ Fisherman's Wharf, and tried to find a spare copy of Okonokos vinyl @ Amoeba, which didn't pan out any better than South Carolina going to Baton Rouge on a Saturday night. Spread was around 2.5, which was very close. If you would have watched the game w/o knowing the score, it was probably closer to 28-10. Never underestimate The Hat. Hopefully this weekend will fare better. I think/hope Spurrier is playing mind games about Lattimore and Clowney. If they don't play, it will be devastating. I'm not making excuses, just stating fact. Hoping for an injury free game for both teams.
South Carolina loses to LSU in Death Valley :undecided:
I am a huge college football fan. SC losing at Baton Rogue was nothing to blink at. They couldn't get it done and that didn't surprise me. Your program hasn't risen to the level of true smack, IMO, so sorry to disappoint you if you came here to be "punished". I was actually pulling for you guys but couldn't care less towards the end of the game.
Here's hoping Vanderbilt continues to pile on to Auburn's miserable season.
What Tracy said! I too love college football, but my loyalties are to Michigan. I was hoping for SC to pull off the upset in Baton Rouge, but I gotta say that I wasn't shocked to see SC underperform in a big road game once again. That seems to be their MO under Spurrier. Play like they can't be beaten at home and then lay an egg in a big roadie. And things won't get any easier for SC as they make the trek to Gainesville this weekend...
As for me, I will hopefully be watching Michigan exacting 4 years of revenge on Little Brother and bringing Paul back to Ann Arbor!!!
Alabama -24 against 7-0 #12 Mississippi State?
#8 Oklahoma -11 against 7-0 #5 Notre Dame?
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Oct 24, 2012, 05:28 PM
Alabama -24 against 7-0 #12 Mississippi State?
#8 Oklahoma -11 against 7-0 #5 Notre Dame?
I have no problems with those lines Trace. You know I don't mess with college football but I don't see Miss St. being able to move the ball all game and Bama getting one or two defensive scores late in the game with the lead.
Bama 38-10
I don't see Notre Dame's D keeping up with the Sooners O with Jones chucking it like he is plus the Norman factor. This is the Irish's first real test.
31-17 Sooners
Quote from: Ruckus on Oct 24, 2012, 05:57 PM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Oct 24, 2012, 05:28 PM
Alabama -24 against 7-0 #12 Mississippi State?
#8 Oklahoma -11 against 7-0 #5 Notre Dame?
I have no problems with those lines Trace. You know I don't mess with college football but I don't see Miss St. being able to move the ball all game and Bama getting one or two defensive scores late in the game with the lead.
Bama 38-10
I don't see Notre Dame's D keeping up with the Sooners O with Jones chucking it like he is plus the Norman factor. This is the Irish's first real test.
31-17 Sooners
I am in favor of both of those blowouts
Bama will definately win and should cover
ND vs OK is another beast, both not really tested too much, but I don't see ND's defense giving up a ton of points so 11 might be too much of a spread. I think OK wins because their offense is better and ND doesn't have much of an O, but something tells me it will be close.
I have to say it's great to be a georgia bulldog! I should have gone to the worlds largest outdoor cocktail party this year...so much for that title game gators!
I hope Latimore is ok...that was a nasty hit, you could see his knee hyper-extend, nobody wants to see that happen to an athlete.
Quote from: davymac on Oct 27, 2012, 08:58 PM
you could see his knee hyper-extend
Understatement of the year...
Terrible, terrible injury.
Quote from: Jon T. on Oct 27, 2012, 11:33 PM
Quote from: davymac on Oct 27, 2012, 08:58 PM
you could see his knee hyper-extend
Understatement of the year...
Terrible, terrible injury.
Eerily similar to the Willis McGahee injury in the OSU/Miami Championsh game, but heard this one is much worse. Sounds like a complete devastation to the knee, and leg.
Quote from: Ruckus on Oct 24, 2012, 05:57 PM
I have no problems with those lines Trace. You know I don't mess with college football but I don't see Miss St. being able to move the ball all game and Bama getting one or two defensive scores late in the game with the lead.
Bama 38-10
Bama won 38-7
and WHY don't you touch college football?
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Oct 28, 2012, 12:15 PM
Quote from: Ruckus on Oct 24, 2012, 05:57 PM
I have no problems with those lines Trace. You know I don't mess with college football but I don't see Miss St. being able to move the ball all game and Bama getting one or two defensive scores late in the game with the lead.
Bama 38-10
Bama won 38-7
and WHY don't you touch college football?
Ha! I Swung and missed on Notre Dame eh? I have to tip my hat to them. They played well on both sides of the ball in a tough environment. I just didn't understand why the Sooners didn't keep with their uptempo no huddle more often.
well the bcs should be interesting between the Irish, the Ducks and KState.
I feel for Lattimore. I hope he had an insurance policy a la Mcgahee.
Quote from: Ruckus on Oct 28, 2012, 01:42 PM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Oct 28, 2012, 12:15 PM
Quote from: Ruckus on Oct 24, 2012, 05:57 PM
I have no problems with those lines Trace. You know I don't mess with college football but I don't see Miss St. being able to move the ball all game and Bama getting one or two defensive scores late in the game with the lead.
Bama 38-10
Bama won 38-7
and WHY don't you touch college football?
Ha! I Swung and missed on Notre Dame eh? I have to tip my hat to them. They played well on both sides of the ball in a tough environment. I just didn't understand why the Sooners didn't keep with their uptempo no huddle more often.
well the bcs should be interesting between the Irish, the Ducks and KState.
I feel for Lattimore. I hope he had an insurance policy a la Mcgahee.
Yeah Lattimore is sad cause this is his second knee injury IIRC and the other one was to his other knee
I think the BCS is going to be crazy this year as KS and Irish will play the tougher schedules so the ducks are going to be way on the outside.
Hmm the new BCS poll is out. SEC has 50% of the Top Ten. The only games they lose is inner-conference games amongst themselves. I still stand by my statement, SEC will win 7 straight National Titles!
PS-Auburn and Arkansas are pure trash and disgraceful this year. Texas A&M is still overrated.
BIG games this weekend:
Does LSU upset Bama? I am rooting for LSU but don't see it happening.
Pitt will upset ND; book it
Can Miss. State rebound against A&M? Johnny football comes to Starkville and A&M rolls
Ole Miss gets the afternoon CBS game against UGA. Rebels are trying to become prominent again in the SEC; big test. Hotty Toddy!
Let's hope Oregon hangs 60 on USC.
And can KState continue to roll against OSU?
Where did that SC fan go who was talking so much when the Cocks were undefeated?
Quote from: Mahgeetah34 on Oct 28, 2012, 09:50 PM
Hmm the new BCS poll is out. SEC has 50% of the Top Ten. The only games they lose is inner-conference games amongst themselves. I still stand by my statement, SEC will win 7 straight National Titles!
PS-Auburn and Arkansas are pure trash and disgraceful this year. Texas A&M is still overrated.
There is a likely scenario that the SEC could be shut out of the NC game altogether though. If LSU beats Alabama tomorrow night, and KSU, ND and Oregon all run the table, I don't see how an SEC team gets into the BCS Championship game. Geaux Tigers!!! :cool:
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Nov 02, 2012, 09:59 AM
Where did that SC fan go who was talking so much when the Cocks were undefeated?
I'm right here, but we actually have spoken since LSU beat SC. I was not expecting Florida to do what they did to SC. It was pretty much over early in the 1st Quarter. I also would never have picked Georgia over Florida. South Carolina certainly needs to pick their pass defense up after what Tennessee accomplished in their secondary, especially at our home. They need a week off. I saw that next year, SC is playing 12 regular season games and has two bye weeks. Is that pretty much the norm now? Their schedule next year is definitely easier than this years. Now unfortunately, the only thing we have to look forward to is hopefully beating Clemson. Getting to Atlanta is my only goal. And for SC to be ranked #8. I am not sure about that.
Tracy 2112 had the predictions very very accurate.
In my BCS, I have 1. Alabama, 2. Kansas St., 3. Notre Dame, 4. Oregon and 5. Georgia.
Notre Dame and Oregon are interchangable. Oregon has no defense which is customary of Pac 12 teams. It's also a common theme in the Big 12. The offense is really good, but they'd get drastically shut down by Alabama. I hope Texas A&M gets destroyed in Tuscaloosa.
Who does Alabama play in the BCS title game? :smiley:
Quote from: Mahgeetah34 on Nov 04, 2012, 01:43 AM
Tracy 2112 had the predictions very very accurate.
In my BCS, I have 1. Alabama, 2. Kansas St., 3. Notre Dame, 4. Oregon and 5. Georgia.
Notre Dame and Oregon are interchangable. Oregon has no defense which is customary of Pac 12 teams. It's also a common theme in the Big 12. The offense is really good, but they'd get drastically shut down by Alabama. I hope Texas A&M gets destroyed in Tuscaloosa.
Who does Alabama play in the BCS title game? :smiley:
I really hope USC beats the shit out of Notre Dame in a couple of weeks (or BC beats them next week). Can you imagine how bad Bama, KSU or Oregon would have rolled Pitt at home?
Last night I kept going back and forth rooting for Bama or LSU (I'm an Ole Miss guy). I really didn't want to see a KSU/NB BCS title game! Glad to see Yeldon (who grew up in Tuscaloosa) get the winning TD, he is going to be a mega star. And seeing Mccaron cry on the sidelines was cool, since he grew up a Bama fan and wanted to QB there since he was 5 growing up in Mobile.
I am very interested in seeing how Bama handles Johnny football next weekend in Tuscaloosa.
Quote from: Mahgeetah34 on Nov 04, 2012, 01:43 AM
Tracy 2112 had the predictions very very accurate.
In my BCS, I have 1. Alabama, 2. Kansas St., 3. Notre Dame, 4. Oregon and 5. Georgia.
Notre Dame and Oregon are interchangable. Oregon has no defense which is customary of Pac 12 teams. It's also a common theme in the Big 12. The offense is really good, but they'd get drastically shut down by Alabama. I hope Texas A&M gets destroyed in Tuscaloosa.
Who does Alabama play in the BCS title game? :smiley:
What, no thoughts on Division II Mizzou almost upsetting Florida on the road yesterday?
Quote from: BH on Nov 04, 2012, 10:48 AM
Quote from: Mahgeetah34 on Nov 04, 2012, 01:43 AM
Tracy 2112 had the predictions very very accurate.
In my BCS, I have 1. Alabama, 2. Kansas St., 3. Notre Dame, 4. Oregon and 5. Georgia.
Notre Dame and Oregon are interchangable. Oregon has no defense which is customary of Pac 12 teams. It's also a common theme in the Big 12. The offense is really good, but they'd get drastically shut down by Alabama. I hope Texas A&M gets destroyed in Tuscaloosa.
Who does Alabama play in the BCS title game? :smiley:
What, no thoughts on Division II Mizzou almost upsetting Florida on the road yesterday?
When does basketball season start?
I believe there's a good chance for USC to beat Notre Dame. I hope it doesn't happen though because every year it seems like USC is always ranked preseason top 5 but then they lose to some lesser opponent. They are NOT top five or even ten!
I'm going with Alabama 45 Texas A&M-20 (20 at best)
As for the Florida game, it was simply disgusting. How do you only score twice against Missouri in the swamp?? The gators offense isn't very explosive this year and they lack consistency. I'm not so sure how they'd do if they were to play Kansas St, Notre Dame or Oregon.
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Nov 04, 2012, 02:47 PM
Quote from: BH on Nov 04, 2012, 10:48 AM
Quote from: Mahgeetah34 on Nov 04, 2012, 01:43 AM
Tracy 2112 had the predictions very very accurate.
In my BCS, I have 1. Alabama, 2. Kansas St., 3. Notre Dame, 4. Oregon and 5. Georgia.
Notre Dame and Oregon are interchangable. Oregon has no defense which is customary of Pac 12 teams. It's also a common theme in the Big 12. The offense is really good, but they'd get drastically shut down by Alabama. I hope Texas A&M gets destroyed in Tuscaloosa.
Who does Alabama play in the BCS title game? :smiley:
What, no thoughts on Division II Mizzou almost upsetting Florida on the road yesterday?
When does basketball season start?
Ha! It already started, believe me! And we are looking good again this year. Phil Pressey is more entertaining than the Globetrotters.
I would like to rank all of the SEC schools by adding RPIs in basketball and football and see how it turns out at the end of the year.
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Nov 04, 2012, 10:12 AM
Can you imagine how bad Bama, KSU or Oregon would have rolled Pitt at home?
Agreed. The rankings got it right. I'm guessing you guys read this article or heard about it.
Favorite line, "Police tried to ensure the students identified the correct players by having them look at photo lineups. While none of the alleged victims could recognize all three players, each player was recognized by at least one, including Mitchell who recognized Street from a class they took together on vampires."
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8582580/pittsburgh-panthers-ray-graham-devin-street-lafayette-pitts-charged-assault (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8582580/pittsburgh-panthers-ray-graham-devin-street-lafayette-pitts-charged-assault)
Absolute garbage. Of all games to win, Texas A&M manages to beat Alabama. Let's hope the SEC can still make it 7 straight.
Big day for the former Big 12 members!
What a game! Too bad SEC may not go to BCS title game, but I think a couple of Bama fans need to learn how to lose. I am seeing some ridiculousness on social media sites. And Johnny Football can also throw!
11/10/2012 Texas A&M vs Alabama Football Highlights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L73hKMz4vkI#ws)
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Nov 11, 2012, 10:25 AM
but I think a couple of Bama fans need to learn how to lose.
Agreed, I like bama, but I was in Tuscaloosa for the lsu game last year and they dont take losses too well. I'm glad someone brought them back to earth.
Quote from: davymac on Nov 11, 2012, 11:55 AM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Nov 11, 2012, 10:25 AM
but I think a couple of Bama fans need to learn how to lose.
Agreed, I like bama, but I was in Tuscaloosa for the lsu game last year and they dont take losses too well. I'm glad someone brought them back to earth.
we have a bunch of fools in our fan base that make the rest of us look really really bad...i happened to sit by one at the game saturday and it was borderline miserable...o well...we had our chances though
The new polls have the Crimson Tide at #4. I have Notre Dame losing to USC so with Alabama likely playing #5 Georgia in the SEC Championship, a win should be high enough to boost them into the title game if either Oregon or Kansas St. were to falter.
Alright, so once again Alabama needs help from other teams to make it to the BCS title game. I really haven't been that impressed with Notre Dame as of late but perhaps they've just been playing WAY down against Pitt and BC but if they keep it up, USC should have no trouble knocking them off.
Oregon's defense is starting to wear down as the season comes to a close and they still have to huge games left on their schedule, Stanford and Oregon State. If they win both of those, then props to the Ducks!
Kansas State is a team that I really can't see losing. They close out their season against Texas on December 1st but now I'm sooo wishing that the Big 12 could still have a title game, haha.
Alabama just couldn't survive running the gauntlet down the stretch. Manziel is a hell of a football player and he will be shedding record books and defenses for the next few years. Hopefully the Tide will roll up our last two opponents and can pull things together in time for the Georgia Bulldogs.
I know it's unlikely...BUT if #1, 2, AND 3 lose a game in the next few weeks then we will be looking at another all-SEC championship game, with Florida facing the winner of Bama/UGA!
If & when Auburn loses to Alabama A&M this weekend, they have to fire Chizik IMMEDIATELY...right?
Quote from: The Bama Bear on Nov 12, 2012, 03:32 AM
Alright, so once again Alabama needs help from other teams to make it to the BCS title game. I really haven't been that impressed with Notre Dame as of late but perhaps they've just been playing WAY down against Pitt and BC but if they keep it up, USC should have no trouble knocking them off.
Oregon's defense is starting to wear down as the season comes to a close and they still have to huge games left on their schedule, Stanford and Oregon State. If they win both of those, then props to the Ducks!
Kansas State is a team that I really can't see losing. They close out their season against Texas on December 1st but now I'm sooo wishing that the Big 12 could still have a title game, haha.
Alabama just couldn't survive running the gauntlet down the stretch. Manziel is a hell of a football player and he will be shedding record books and defenses for the next few years. Hopefully the Tide will roll up our last two opponents and can pull things together in time for the Georgia Bulldogs.
I know it's unlikely...BUT if #1, 2, AND 3 lose a game in the next few weeks then we will be looking at another all-SEC championship game, with Florida facing the winner of Bama/UGA!
If & when Auburn loses to Alabama A&M this weekend, they have to fire Chizik IMMEDIATELY...right?
I see ND losing to USC and KSU losing to Texas. I think KSU will choke, plain and simple. Plus, Georgia is playing really good football and Alabama's D got exposed over the last few weeks, so UGA has an outsiders chance.
Should be interesting :cool:
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Nov 12, 2012, 11:01 AM
Quote from: The Bama Bear on Nov 12, 2012, 03:32 AM
Alright, so once again Alabama needs help from other teams to make it to the BCS title game. I really haven't been that impressed with Notre Dame as of late but perhaps they've just been playing WAY down against Pitt and BC but if they keep it up, USC should have no trouble knocking them off.
Oregon's defense is starting to wear down as the season comes to a close and they still have to huge games left on their schedule, Stanford and Oregon State. If they win both of those, then props to the Ducks!
Kansas State is a team that I really can't see losing. They close out their season against Texas on December 1st but now I'm sooo wishing that the Big 12 could still have a title game, haha.
Alabama just couldn't survive running the gauntlet down the stretch. Manziel is a hell of a football player and he will be shedding record books and defenses for the next few years. Hopefully the Tide will roll up our last two opponents and can pull things together in time for the Georgia Bulldogs.
I know it's unlikely...BUT if #1, 2, AND 3 lose a game in the next few weeks then we will be looking at another all-SEC championship game, with Florida facing the winner of Bama/UGA!
If & when Auburn loses to Alabama A&M this weekend, they have to fire Chizik IMMEDIATELY...right?
I see ND losing to USC and KSU losing to Texas. I think KSU will choke, plain and simple. Plus, Georgia is playing really good football and Alabama's D got exposed over the last few weeks, so UGA has an outsiders chance.
Should be interesting :cool:
I think Alabama and Georgia are better football teams than KSU and ND but I also think USC and Texas are pretty darn mediocre this year at best, so I expect the streak to come to an end. If no SEC, I'd prefer a KSU/Oregon matchup.
Quote from: BH on Nov 12, 2012, 04:24 PM
I think Alabama and Georgia are better football teams than KSU and ND but I also think USC and Texas are pretty darn mediocre this year at best, so I expect the streak to come to an end. If no SEC, I'd prefer a KSU/Oregon matchup.
I don't know about that. If Johnny Football can go into Tuscaloosa and do what he did to Alabama as a true freshman, why should I not believe Collin Klein couldn't do something similar or even better? KSU has done nothing to show me they don't deserve a shot at playing for the BCS Championship if they win out. ND on the other hand? They have been using the luck of the Irish it seems week in and week out. Even with USC being somewhat mediocre, I'm wondering just how long the Irish luck can keep going. Just a few examples of why I don't think ND is as good as their record might indicate: they needed 6 Michigan turnovers at home to beat the Wolverines by just a touchdown? It took a questionable call in OT vs. Stanford to preserve a win in that game? It took a monster comeback in OT to get over a Pittsburgh team that folded like a deck of cards. Oh and did I mention that Youngstown State beat Pittsburgh??? About the only game the Irish looked legit this season was against OU and we all know OU's pension for choking in big games that don't involve Texas...
My dream would be to see Oregon, KSU and ND all run the table and then see ND get the shaft and watch the Domer nation go into meltdown mode! I'd pay money to watch that! :grin:
Look at that, #1 AND #2 both lose. I felt upsets were on the way. Well, like I stated, the SEC is once again on track for 7 straight! :cool:
Quote from: Mahgeetah34 on Nov 17, 2012, 11:39 PM
Look at that, #1 AND #2 both lose. I felt upsets were on the way. Well, like I stated, the SEC is once again on track for 7 straight! :cool:
What a crazy day for football! As a uga fan/student, I'm stoked that we control our own destiny now...if ND loses to USC, there could be 2 sec teams in the ship again, but I'd like to see the ducks get the bid
I think it will be the winner of the SEC championship game and the winner of the FSU-Florida game if ND would stumble. The two biggest games left on the schedule.
Quote from: manonthemoon on Nov 18, 2012, 04:29 PM
I think it will be the winner of the SEC championship game and the winner of the FSU-Florida game if ND would stumble. The two biggest games left on the schedule.
If Oregon wins out, no way the winner of UF/FSU jumps the Ducks if ND happens to lose. FSU plays in the very weak ACC and lost to a bad NC St team. Personally, I don't see UF being able to score on FSU so I don't see them winning that game.
I also don't see ND losing to USC next week especially if Matt Barkley can't go.
Oh and GO BLUE! Beat Ohio!!!
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Nov 18, 2012, 07:12 PM
Quote from: manonthemoon on Nov 18, 2012, 04:29 PM
I think it will be the winner of the SEC championship game and the winner of the FSU-Florida game if ND would stumble. The two biggest games left on the schedule.
If Oregon wins out, no way the winner of UF/FSU jumps the Ducks if ND happens to lose. FSU plays in the very weak ACC and lost to a bad NC St team. Personally, I don't see UF being able to score on FSU so I don't see them winning that game.
I also don't see ND losing to USC next week especially if Matt Barkley can't go.
Oh and GO BLUE! Beat Ohio!!!
Lets see, Florida already 4 and if they win at FSU they will not drop.
CPU has Florida at #2 because of strength of schedule and Oregon down at #8.
I don't see them being able to make up that much ground because the PAC-12 isn't that strong either.
ND shouldn't loose, but college football has a funny way of having upsets happen.
I guess FSU is pretty far back at 10 but they do play UF and I thought that might make the polls move them up if they win impressively, but the CPU are just killing them as the ACC other than Clemson has been dreadful this year.
Quote from: davymac on Nov 18, 2012, 01:40 PM
Quote from: Mahgeetah34 on Nov 17, 2012, 11:39 PM
Look at that, #1 AND #2 both lose. I felt upsets were on the way. Well, like I stated, the SEC is once again on track for 7 straight! :cool:
What a crazy day for football! As a uga fan/student, I'm stoked that we control our own destiny now...if ND loses to USC, there could be 2 sec teams in the ship again, but I'd like to see the ducks get the bid
I'm not sure how Georgia will do against a team like Alabama. Giving up 23 points to Buffalo, 20 to Florida Atlantic, 44 to UT and 24 to Kentucky is going to be problem if that particular Georgia defense shows up. I'm all for a 2 SEC team championship. I just don't understand how some people can claim other conferences are better or that the SEC is overrated :grin:
ND should have lost to Pitt at home; their kicker missed a game winner in OT. ND did beat OK in Norman. So, ND is capable of either losing or winning against USC, who knows what will happen Saturday.
I am just glad the SEC is back in.
Quote from: manonthemoon on Nov 18, 2012, 10:36 PM
Lets see, Florida already 4 and if they win at FSU they will not drop.
CPU has Florida at #2 because of strength of schedule and Oregon down at #8.
I don't see them being able to make up that much ground because the PAC-12 isn't that strong either.
ND shouldn't loose, but college football has a funny way of having upsets happen.
I guess FSU is pretty far back at 10 but they do play UF and I thought that might make the polls move them up if they win impressively, but the CPU are just killing them as the ACC other than Clemson has been dreadful this year.
I made my post before the BcS rankings came out and Oregon was sitting ahead of UF in both the Coach's Poll and the AP Poll. Should have known the BcS would give the nod to an SEC team... :rolleyes:
it's so awesome to be undefeated!
:angry: :wink: :shocked: :cry:
Why do so many SEC people get so defensive from a little needling or better yet, go on the offensive as a preemptive defensive stance? :grin: Yes, the best college football of the last ten years has been played in that conference and its schools have some of the most passionate fan bases. It's no different than Duke or the Yankees though. If it's shoved in your face 24/7 and fans become overzealous, some people are going to dislike it from over exposure and general obnoxiousness of the fan. However, I do love what Coach Sumlin and Manziell are doing as the newbs in there.
I was sad to see Oregon lose because I was really pulling for them. That said, it's remarkable what Stanford is able to accomplish year in and year out with their academic eligibility requirements and tough conference. Hats off to them for another excellent year.
I don't see Florida beating FL. State. I think UF has been playing way over their heads all season and are finally coming back down to Earth. 31-17 FSU. I think either team will get smoked if they make it to the NC.
wooo, Saturday night was great! I was at WorkPlay in Birmingham watching Justin Townes Earle w/ Tift Merritt. Just as JTE's show had ended, people started funneling out of the performance hall and into the WorkPlay lobby. The Oregon/Stanford game was on every TV and people were frozen in their spots, with eyes glued to the TV screen. It was just a moment later that Stanford kicked the game-winning FG and the entire lobby went apeshit. I had an Auburn fan scramble by me and take off to the bathroom yelling something about how Alabama sucks because we didn't go undefeated for the second year in a row but still control our own destiny. The token Auburn fan kind of made the whole spur of the moment celebration all the more enjoyable though.
Anyway, Matt Barkley is out this week for the game against Notre Dame. I'm not saying ND is a shoe-in for the title game now, but that helps them out a whole lot.
I definitely respect Georgia this year, and expect a hell of a game in ATL here in a couple of weeks. But for now, I just want to see Alabama beat the Chizik out of Auburn on Saturday.
Also, Les Miles. Don't forget about LSU looming in the mix.
Emotional Les Miles - Classic Press Conference mpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRXP5Bf8KFs#ws)
Quote from: Ruckus on Nov 19, 2012, 03:25 PM
However, I do love what Coach Sumlin and Manziell are doing as the newbs in there.
They are fun to cheer for.
As an aside, I appreciate your usage of Manziel's real name. How in the shit does a true freshman earn the name Johnny Football? He's got ridiculous talent, no doubt, and he very well may be worthy of that nickname - eventually. But a freshman with possibly one of the coolest and most complimentary nicknames of all time? pfffft.
-Disgruntled Curmudgeon
Quote from: Penny Lane on Nov 19, 2012, 12:33 PM
it's so awesome to be undefeated!
:angry: :wink: :shocked: :cry:
You picked the wrong time to get caught cheating I guess.
Word is Oregon might be getting some NCAA love here soon from the Lyles issue a year or two back.
It ain't easy being sleazy.
Quote from: The Bama Bear on Nov 19, 2012, 03:49 PM
wooo, Saturday night was great! I was at WorkPlay in Birmingham watching Justin Townes Earle w/ Tift Merritt. Just as JTE's show had ended, people started funneling out of the performance hall and into the WorkPlay lobby. The Oregon/Stanford game was on every TV and people were frozen in their spots, with eyes glued to the TV screen. It was just a moment later that Stanford kicked the game-winning FG and the entire lobby went apeshit. I had an Auburn fan scramble by me and take off to the bathroom yelling something about how Alabama sucks because we didn't go undefeated for the second year in a row but still control our own destiny. The token Auburn fan kind of made the whole spur of the moment celebration all the more enjoyable though.
Anyway, Matt Barkley is out this week for the game against Notre Dame. I'm not saying ND is a shoe-in for the title game now, but that helps them out a whole lot.
I definitely respect Georgia this year, and expect a hell of a game in ATL here in a couple of weeks. But for now, I just want to see Alabama beat the Chizik out of Auburn on Saturday.
HAHA...I WAS RIGHT THERE WITH YOU...SOMEWHERE IN ALL THAT MADNESS...great show too by the way
it feels so nice to be back in...roll freaking tide. football fans in other regions of the country really need to pick up the new ESPN magazine...they did a great job with the last half of the magazine with various articles about the week leading up to the BAMA - LSU game, the game itself, and then some fallout afterwards...also a really good article about the "teabagging incident at the krystal on bourbon street after the BCS championship game and how those two guys lives have dramatically changed since then...really good read for any college football fan and especially for those that think we are absolutely apeshit crazy about our football down here in the south
Feed Moncrief! You seen the Ole Miss sophomore Donte Moncrief? He's a hair slower than Mike Wallace (4.33 v 4.45) but he's only going to get better. His highlight reel from Saturday night starts around the 1:46 mark (and he starts out the game at the 8 second mark):
11/24/2012 Miss State vs Ole Miss Football Highlights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WANxqF7MT8#ws)
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Nov 26, 2012, 08:06 PM
Feed Moncrief! You seen the Ole Miss sophomore Donte Moncrief? He's a hair slower than Mike Wallace (4.33 v 4.45) but he's only going to get better. His highlight reel from Saturday night starts around the 1:46 mark (and he starts out the game at the 8 second mark):
11/24/2012 Miss State vs Ole Miss Football Highlights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WANxqF7MT8#ws)
Did Miss St. D Coordinator make sure on each play that the safety play shallow and corner play outside on the post/skinny post. I have no idea how you get beat on the same play over and over again. I guess the last one wasn't Moncrief and was a square in but still....
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how about my Tulane Greenwave moving to the Big East? AQ conference baby, see you in the Orange Bowl (in 20 years maybe)!
Let's see, the Big Least loses Rutgers and gains Tulane? Can that conference become more irrelavent? :tongue: Sorry IBFJ... :wink:
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Nov 28, 2012, 02:24 PM
Let's see, the Big Least loses Rutgers and gains Tulane? Can that conference become more irrelavent? :tongue: Sorry IBFJ... :wink:
when Tulane is leaving your conference, what does that say about C-USA?
I don't have any interest in C-USA as a conference but I can't say it was anything special with or without Tulane.
Hmm speaking of conferences, #2 vs #3 this weekend for the SEC Championship! What's everyone's picks?
There's been quite a bit #1 vs #2, top 5 and top 10 matchups in the last several years for the SEC. Some regular season, some conference title game. I'm willing to bet they've had more top inner-conference matchups than all the others combined.
To salute the last year of the BCS, next year should have the SEC as an automatic qualifer for the national title game and have other teams battle it out for the second spot :cool:
Quote from: Mahgeetah34 on Nov 28, 2012, 09:02 PM
Hmm speaking of conferences, #2 vs #3 this weekend for the SEC Championship! What's everyone's picks?
There's been quite a bit #1 vs #2, top 5 and top 10 matchups in the last several years for the SEC. Some regular season, some conference title game. I'm willing to bet they've had more top inner-conference matchups than all the others combined.
To salute the last year of the BCS, next year should have the SEC as an automatic qualifer for the national title game and have other teams battle it out for the second spot :cool:
I hope the dawgs can do it! bama will be tough to beat, but we have a defense that is starting to play like they should...its all going to come down to whether or not aaron murray has a good game...I just dont want UGA to get embarrassed. Oh and I do want to be in Miami in January!
Quote from: davymac on Nov 29, 2012, 11:28 AM
Quote from: Mahgeetah34 on Nov 28, 2012, 09:02 PM
Hmm speaking of conferences, #2 vs #3 this weekend for the SEC Championship! What's everyone's picks?
There's been quite a bit #1 vs #2, top 5 and top 10 matchups in the last several years for the SEC. Some regular season, some conference title game. I'm willing to bet they've had more top inner-conference matchups than all the others combined.
To salute the last year of the BCS, next year should have the SEC as an automatic qualifer for the national title game and have other teams battle it out for the second spot :cool:
I hope the dawgs can do it! bama will be tough to beat, but we have a defense that is starting to play like they should...its all going to come down to whether or not aaron murray has a good game...I just dont want UGA to get embarrassed. Oh and I do want to be in Miami in January!
I'm not sure who to go for in this game. Alabama and Georgia are the SEC teams that I don't really care for, but I had the cheer on Alabama earlier as they were the best team to send from the conference if either Oregon or Kansas St. made it to the national title game. I'm leaning towards cheering for Georgia as I wouldn't have to hear "Roll Tide" all of next year.
It'll be close. I got Alabama-27 Georgia-21
Win-win situation really. It's the SEC either way! My early predictions have it Alabama-38 Notre Dame-13. I do hope Manti Te'o gets Heisman though. The guy deserves it!
Quote from: Mahgeetah34 on Dec 01, 2012, 09:22 PM
Win-win situation really. It's the SEC either way! My early predictions have it Alabama-38 Notre Dame-13. I do hope Manti Te'o gets Heisman though. The guy deserves it!
I actually hope Te'o does get the Heisman, no other play has really earned it so give it to the best defensive player imo.
I think it will be Bama, but it'll be around 10 pts imo, unless they are able to gash ND like they did GA tonight on the ground.
UGA's defense isn't nearly as good as ND's so I don't think you will see Bama putting up the rushing numbers they did on UGA. That said, I also don't think ND will have the success offensively that UGA had on Bama's defense. I think this one will be lower scoring and closer than many (ESECPN) who are already predicting the NC game won't live up to the hype of the SEC Championship. :rolleyes:
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Dec 02, 2012, 10:41 AM
UGA's defense isn't nearly as good as ND's so I don't think you will see Bama putting up the rushing numbers they did on UGA. That said, I also don't think ND will have the success offensively that UGA had on Bama's defense. I think this one will be lower scoring and closer than many (ESECPN) who are already predicting the NC game won't live up to the hype of the SEC Championship. :rolleyes:
Close game or not, I don't see Bama losing; in fact, I could see it getting ugly early. I think experience will play a key factor. Brian Kelly talks ND getting everyone's "best" each Saturday and they understand pressure? Well, so does Bama. It's just the pressure ND will feel in Miami will be different than the pressure they felt against Purdue, who they beat in South Bend by 3 (that's 6-6 Purdue) or BYU, who they beat in South Bend by 3 (that's 7-5 BYU) or Pitt, who they beat in South Bend by 3 in OT (that's 6-6 Pitt). Saban and the boys have 5 weeks to prepare for the game and they have been here before (like, last year and 2 years before that!). As much as I dislike Alabama and was rooting for UGA yesterday, we all know football is best in the South and that's where the BCS title will live for the 7th consecutive year.
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Dec 02, 2012, 12:26 PM
we all know football is best in the South and that's where the BCS title will live for the 7th consecutive year.
Couldn't have said it much better myself!
As for the score, yes Notre Dame has a good defense, but let's be honest, Boston College, Pittsburgh and BYU are no Alabama. Their running game will stomp through the Notre Dame defense. If the Irish had some crazy offense like Oregon then maybe they'd have a shot since Alabama's secondary has looked terrible in big games. I think they'll be just fine though. If anyone watched the SEC Championship, regardless of what conference you root for, you have to admit that was the best game of the year. Notre Dame/Pittsburgh is the only other one that would give it competition.
If anything, ESPN is anti-SEC. They're always praising USC who is terribly overrated year after year. They think its against the law to rank them outside the top five. Ohio State also falls into that same category.
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Quote from: Mahgeetah34 on Dec 02, 2012, 08:30 PM
If anything, ESPN is anti-SEC. They're always praising USC who is terribly overrated year after year. They think its against the law to rank them outside the top five. Ohio State also falls into that same category.
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I know plenty of OSU fans that would beg to differ about that. Although, I will say since they hired former ESPN anylist and former SEC coach Urb Meyer, they are getting more love from ESPN...
Also, I hate ND as much as anyone, but it's nice that you point out all of their close calls vs. the not-so-good teams but fail to point out their quality wins. They did shut down a good Stanford team who can run the football and who also happened to beat Oregon? They also punked OU down in Norman where the Sooners don't lose too often. Remember how everyone was predicting an OU rout in that game?
I'm not saying ND will win, but I just wouldn't be surprised to see if they somehow made a game of it and maybe, just maybe pulled off the improbable upset...
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Dec 03, 2012, 10:19 AM
Also, I hate ND as much as anyone, but it's nice that you point out all of their close calls vs. the not-so-good teams but fail to point out their quality wins.
I ain't drinking the Kool aid, sorry. Beating .500 teams at home by 3 and in OT is not the stuff of national powerhouses; at least not in the SEC.
Quote from: Mahgeetah34 on Dec 02, 2012, 08:30 PM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Dec 02, 2012, 12:26 PM
we all know football is best in the South and that's where the BCS title will live for the 7th consecutive year.
Couldn't have said it much better myself!
As for the score, yes Notre Dame has a good defense, but let's be honest, Boston College, Pittsburgh and BYU are no Alabama. Their running game will stomp through the Notre Dame defense. If the Irish had some crazy offense like Oregon then maybe they'd have a shot since Alabama's secondary has looked terrible in big games. I think they'll be just fine though. If anyone watched the SEC Championship, regardless of what conference you root for, you have to admit that was the best game of the year. Notre Dame/Pittsburgh is the only other one that would give it competition.
If anything, ESPN is anti-SEC. They're always praising USC who is terribly overrated year after year. They think its against the law to rank them outside the top five. Ohio State also falls into that same category.
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:rolleyes: ESPN is pro money. What is up with the SEC complex man? ESPN hypes the shit out of the SEC because that is where all the top teams and top matchups are right now and that's where they are getting ratings. That doesn't change the fact that they want storied franchises that either come from large media markets or have huge national followings to be successful such as USC, Notre Dame, OSU and Michigan because they'll make even more money.
Two teams I don't like. I'll be rooting for Notre Dame but I don't see them beating Bama unless their D and special teams score points or set up short fields consistently.
Just wanted to say sorry to davymac. I was pulling hard for you guys and what a great game it was. Great season Georgia. :beer:
Notre Dame did have some good wins. I would have never thought they'd go the entire season undefeated though. If it were them vs Ohio State or maybe some team from the Big 12, Pac-12 then I'd cheer for the Irish to win, but growing up in the South, you almost have to root on the southern team.
Speaking of Urban Meyer, I think he's a piece of trash how he quit Florida. He made it sound like he was retiring from coaching because he was dying and wanted to spend his last few months on Earth with his family. Out of nowhere, he's never been in better health and takes on the Ohio State job. Those are some Nick Saban/Miami Dolphins tactics, maybe worse.
As I had previously stated, I really hope Manti Te'o takes the Heisman this Saturday. I think he's the player most crucial to his respective team's success and I like how he goes out of his way to learn the names of the third and fourth string players to make them feel like they're a part of the team. Also, the unfortunate losses he had to deal with is pretty rough. I honestly hope he wins the award.
Quote from: Ruckus on Dec 03, 2012, 12:01 PM
Just wanted to say sorry to davymac. I was pulling hard for you guys and what a great game it was. Great season Georgia. :beer:
Thanks Ruckus! I wanted it bad, but I'm glad it was a good game...honestly one of the best college football games I've watched this season.
Also, I want Manti Te'o to win the Heisman too.
Magheetah, I couldn't agree more with your opinion of Urban Meyer or Cryer or Liar or whatever adjective rhymes with Meyer... :cool:
My thought on his sudden bad turn in health was that it coincedentally happened at the same time his boy Timmy Tebow was graduating. :rolleyes: You can't tell me that Urb didn't see the mess that Will Muschamp inherited when he took over for Urb and instead of working through it, he bails on UF (players and fans) citing health concerns??? And, conveniently is healed within a year of bailing on Florida to take over OSU who just happened to have a QB who fit perfectly to run Urb's offense? And then because he worked at ESPN, they treat him like royalty?! :rolleyes:
All I have to say is that if he thought he felt pressure to win at UF, good luck trying to please delusional buckeye fans especially considering his hot start to his OSU coaching tenure. Wouldn't surprise me in the least to see Urb get burnt out within 2-3 years if they don't live up to the delusional expectations of most buckeye fans.
Oh, and I too am pulling for Manti. I honestly don't see another deserving candidate out there. Manziel is the talk of the town, but what about how he stunk up the two games aTm lost? I don't think the Heisman should be won because of your performance in one game which is what everyone seems to be doing.
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Dec 03, 2012, 11:15 AM
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Dec 03, 2012, 10:19 AM
Also, I hate ND as much as anyone, but it's nice that you point out all of their close calls vs. the not-so-good teams but fail to point out their quality wins.
I ain't drinking the Kool aid, sorry. Beating .500 teams at home by 3 and in OT is not the stuff of national powerhouses; at least not in the SEC.
Well Alabama DID lose to a lowly sisters of the poor Big 12 team (IN Tuscaloosa even!) so, you know, anything can happen.
Meh the Heisman was a big letdown. Good thing UFC had some awesome fights on Fox.
Anybody interested in partaking in this? Perhaps join a group consisting of forum members. See who has the most correct picks?
http://games.espn.go.com/college-bowl-mania/en/frontpage (http://games.espn.go.com/college-bowl-mania/en/frontpage)
I can't wait to find out how the Big 10 AND the Pac 12 will manage to BOTH lose the Rose Bowl.
Lane Kiffin is an ass clown
Did not see Clemson beating LSU or GT beating USC even without Barkley.
South Carolina won...free Bloomin Onions tomorrow!! :thumbsup:
Clowney's hit was legend :shocked:
Quote from: manonthemoon on Jan 01, 2013, 05:26 PM
Clowney's hit was legend :shocked:
That was insane...I'm surprised he wasn't in the heisman talk...I bet he will be next year, he is a freak of nature
Quote from: davymac on Jan 01, 2013, 06:01 PM
Quote from: manonthemoon on Jan 01, 2013, 05:26 PM
Clowney's hit was legend :shocked:
That was insane...I'm surprised he wasn't in the heisman talk...I bet he will be next year, he is a freak of nature
and it was after that ridiculous blown call where the ref granted a first down when the ball was an inch from the marker. Never seen that
Jadeveon Clowney's Top Play (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC44nP7ClxM#ws)
Quote from: davymac on Jan 01, 2013, 06:01 PM
Quote from: manonthemoon on Jan 01, 2013, 05:26 PM
Clowney's hit was legend :shocked:
That was insane...I'm surprised he wasn't in the heisman talk...I bet he will be next year, he is a freak of nature
I think he did finish in the top 10 overall which is impressive for a non-senior defensive player. Plus if he could leave this year I think he would have a great shot at being number 1.
The actual hit Clowney made was definitely insane. But, as for the play, he was unblocked so he didn't really do anything special other than get a late Christmas present in the form of an unsuspecting Vincent Smith. How Michigan could miss a blocking assignment on a guy like Clowney is beyond me...
That said, outside of that one play, Clowney was pretty much made a non factor by Taylor Lewan of Michigan who held him to just 4 tackles (including that one) and no sacks.
You're right, he was untouched at the line...how about that Sugar Bowl?! Go cards, as a UGA fan I'm always happy to see UF get waxed!
you got to love Charlie Strong's shout out to ESPN's David Pollack at the 19 second mark :shocked:
Charlie Strong On Louisville's Sugar Bowl Win (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0vglGHpOj0#ws)
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Jan 03, 2013, 10:57 AM
The actual hit Clowney made was definitely insane. But, as for the play, he was unblocked so he didn't really do anything special other than get a late Christmas present in the form of an unsuspecting Vincent Smith. How Michigan could miss a blocking assignment on a guy like Clowney is beyond me...
That said, outside of that one play, Clowney was pretty much made a non factor by Taylor Lewan of Michigan who held him to just 4 tackles (including that one) and no sacks.
completely agree. Clowney is the best player in college football, but any legit D-1 lineman would've made that hit as unblocked as he was.
I love Chip Kelly. I love Oregon football. They didn't play their best and yet they still dominated KSU. Credit for Stanford to outphysical the Ducks and preventing them from getting to the title game. I still think Bama and the Ducks are the two best teams in the country and wish they were playing in the title game.
Go Irish! can't believe I just said that
The Browns are very high on the possibility of hiring Chip Kelly as their next head coach. Not sure how I feel about his offense translating to the NFL, but it should be fun to watch at the very least.
I don't see how CK will be as successful in the NFL as its such a gimiky offense that would likely kill the offensive linemen due to the pace. With that said the only way I see him leaving is if the rumors that the NCAA hammer is about to come down are true, just like with Carroll at USC.
Quote from: manonthemoon on Jan 04, 2013, 05:25 PM
I don't see how CK will be as successful in the NFL as its such a gimiky offense that would likely kill the offensive linemen due to the pace. With that said the only way I see him leaving is if the rumors that the NCAA hammer is about to come down are true, just like with Carroll at USC.
I don't think it is gimmicky at all. It's unique but its basic tenets are no different than most NFL offenses. The zone read options and bubble screens are widely used in some variation by the Panthers, Redskins and Seahawks to great effect. The Patriots had another prolific year and ran so many damn plays after Bellichick consulted with Kelly and added some of his wrinkles into the Patriots' attack, mainly his fast, faster and fastest concepts.
Think about how hesitant the NFL has been to adopting cutting edge offensive styles. Some of it has to do with how valuable quarterbacks are and some has to do with the fear of failure in a prestigious coaching position. In the NCAA, there are well over a 100 teams alone and it's such fertile breeding ground for new ideas where there isn't as much risk for a coach to try something new in order to overcome talent gaps.
It was only a matter of time before the NFL began adopting spread packages and now with running qbs, even moreso. The one thing Kelly needs is a passing QB with legs, i.e. Wilson. I look forward to his ascension to the pros.
Here's a great Grantland article that came out right before Stanford throttled them this year.
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8631595/the-success-chip-kelly-oregon-ducks-offense-more-familiar-seems (http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8631595/the-success-chip-kelly-oregon-ducks-offense-more-familiar-seems)
Quote from: Ruckus on Jan 04, 2013, 06:03 PM
Quote from: manonthemoon on Jan 04, 2013, 05:25 PM
I don't see how CK will be as successful in the NFL as its such a gimiky offense that would likely kill the offensive linemen due to the pace. With that said the only way I see him leaving is if the rumors that the NCAA hammer is about to come down are true, just like with Carroll at USC.
I don't think it is gimmicky at all. It's unique but its basic tenets are no different than most NFL offenses. The zone read options and bubble screens are widely used in some variation by the Panthers, Redskins and Seahawks to great effect. The Patriots had another prolific year and ran so many damn plays after Bellichick consulted with Kelly and added some of his wrinkles into the Patriots' attack, mainly his fast, faster and fastest concepts.
Think about how hesitant the NFL has been to adopting cutting edge offensive styles. Some of it has to do with how valuable quarterbacks are and some has to do with the fear of failure in a prestigious coaching position. In the NCAA, there are well over a 100 teams alone and it's such fertile breeding ground for new ideas where there isn't as much risk for a coach to try something new in order to overcome talent gaps.
It was only a matter of time before the NFL began adopting spread packages and now with running qbs, even moreso. The one thing Kelly needs is a passing QB with legs, i.e. Wilson. I look forward to his ascension to the pros.
Here's a great Grantland article that came out right before Stanford throttled them this year.
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8631595/the-success-chip-kelly-oregon-ducks-offense-more-familiar-seems (http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8631595/the-success-chip-kelly-oregon-ducks-offense-more-familiar-seems)
Well said Ruckus. When you see gurus like Bellichick going out to pick the brains of Kelly and utilizing some of the principles of his offensive philosophy with a non-mobile qb like Brady, I think it is something that could definitely work in the NFL.
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Jan 04, 2013, 07:56 PM
Quote from: Ruckus on Jan 04, 2013, 06:03 PM
Quote from: manonthemoon on Jan 04, 2013, 05:25 PM
I don't see how CK will be as successful in the NFL as its such a gimiky offense that would likely kill the offensive linemen due to the pace. With that said the only way I see him leaving is if the rumors that the NCAA hammer is about to come down are true, just like with Carroll at USC.
I don't think it is gimmicky at all. It's unique but its basic tenets are no different than most NFL offenses. The zone read options and bubble screens are widely used in some variation by the Panthers, Redskins and Seahawks to great effect. The Patriots had another prolific year and ran so many damn plays after Bellichick consulted with Kelly and added some of his wrinkles into the Patriots' attack, mainly his fast, faster and fastest concepts.
Think about how hesitant the NFL has been to adopting cutting edge offensive styles. Some of it has to do with how valuable quarterbacks are and some has to do with the fear of failure in a prestigious coaching position. In the NCAA, there are well over a 100 teams alone and it's such fertile breeding ground for new ideas where there isn't as much risk for a coach to try something new in order to overcome talent gaps.
It was only a matter of time before the NFL began adopting spread packages and now with running qbs, even moreso. The one thing Kelly needs is a passing QB with legs, i.e. Wilson. I look forward to his ascension to the pros.
Here's a great Grantland article that came out right before Stanford throttled them this year.
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8631595/the-success-chip-kelly-oregon-ducks-offense-more-familiar-seems (http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8631595/the-success-chip-kelly-oregon-ducks-offense-more-familiar-seems)
Well said Ruckus. When you see gurus like Bellichick going out to pick the brains of Kelly and utilizing some of the principles of his offensive philosophy with a non-mobile qb like Brady, I think it is something that could definitely work in the NFL.
There's a big difference in using parts of an offense and using the entire thing in the NFL. I mean the redskins are using a pistol/option based offense, but not all of the time, plus they have the rare advantage of having a world class sprinter who plays qb. Not too many of those in the NFL these days, even though Kap and Wilson are pretty mobil.
http://coachingsearch.com/component/content/article/2153-jerome-bettis-skeptical-about-chip-kellys-offense-in-the-nfl.html (http://coachingsearch.com/component/content/article/2153-jerome-bettis-skeptical-about-chip-kellys-offense-in-the-nfl.html)
I have seen other articles about this in the past and the one thing that is brought up by former linemen usually is that 300 plus NFL lineman are like the smaller ones that Oregon uses in their scheme and wouldn't be able to keep up with the pace. Conversely if you use undersized lineman they won't be affective against NFL Defenses.
He may have some success early on, even if he is stuck with Weeden and the Browns, but the NFL has a way of stoping gimiky offenses like the wildcat and I think even the read option will not last super long as qbs will start getting hurt or someone will come up with an effective way to gameplan for it.
I also think the reason a lot of these offense work as well these days is all of the rules that have been placed that put the defense at a sever disadvantage. Look at all of the over records broken over the past few years and it points to the league making it harder on defenses. But that's an entirely different topic.
Ruckus, what do you think about your hero's tattoo? I am suprised he didn't get it on his feet.
Well, that Football Johnny guy sure did tear through Oklahoma. Being in the SEC must've given that team super powers this season. I wonder how Bob Stoops feels about being on the receiving end of a blowout?? Him, Saban and Urban Meyer are pretty low individuals in terms of classless characters.
As for the Clowney hit, I don't see the big deal. He simply wrapped the guy up and laid his weight into him. The helmet coming off made it look bigger than it was.
Quote from: Mahgeetah34 on Jan 05, 2013, 12:44 AM
As for the Clowney hit, I don't see the big deal. He simply wrapped the guy up and laid his weight into him. The helmet coming off made it look bigger than it was.
And caused a fumble, picked the ball up with one hand and began to run, all in 1 motion. One of the most amazing plays I have ever seen.
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jan 05, 2013, 01:24 AM
Quote from: Mahgeetah34 on Jan 05, 2013, 12:44 AM
As for the Clowney hit, I don't see the big deal. He simply wrapped the guy up and laid his weight into him. The helmet coming off made it look bigger than it was.
And caused a fumble, picked the ball up with one hand and began to run, all in 1 motion. One of the most amazing plays I have ever seen.
Yeah I completely forgot about that part. That was pretty awesome. A lot of folks on Facebook and such were making a big deal about the hit itself which was a big hit, but nothing to turn backflips about.
Quote from: manonthemoon on Jan 04, 2013, 09:56 PM
There's a big difference in using parts of an offense and using the entire thing in the NFL. I mean the redskins are using a pistol/option based offense, but not all of the time, plus they have the rare advantage of having a world class sprinter who plays qb. Not too many of those in the NFL these days, even though Kap and Wilson are pretty mobil.
http://coachingsearch.com/component/content/article/2153-jerome-bettis-skeptical-about-chip-kellys-offense-in-the-nfl.html (http://coachingsearch.com/component/content/article/2153-jerome-bettis-skeptical-about-chip-kellys-offense-in-the-nfl.html)
I have seen other articles about this in the past and the one thing that is brought up by former linemen usually is that 300 plus NFL lineman are like the smaller ones that Oregon uses in their scheme and wouldn't be able to keep up with the pace. Conversely if you use undersized lineman they won't be affective against NFL Defenses.
He may have some success early on, even if he is stuck with Weeden and the Browns, but the NFL has a way of stoping gimiky offenses like the wildcat and I think even the read option will not last super long as qbs will start getting hurt or someone will come up with an effective way to gameplan for it.
I also think the reason a lot of these offense work as well these days is all of the rules that have been placed that put the defense at a sever disadvantage. Look at all of the over records broken over the past few years and it points to the league making it harder on defenses. But that's an entirely different topic.
Ruckus, what do you think about your hero's tattoo? I am suprised he didn't get it on his feet.
Who says Kelly can't adapt either? This guy obviously has a pretty good offensive mind when you have coaching icons like Bill Bellichick coming cross country to pick your brain in getting ideas to upgrade his offense. If Kelly can help Bellichick introduce pieces of his offense to be run by an immobile Qb like Brady, I think he could also develop a style of offense to fit the personnel he would inherit in Cleveland.
As Ruckus said, there are more and more QB's coming out of college with the tool sets to run at least a variation of what Kelly likes to run. Just look at how many dual threat QB's there are now: Cam Newton, RG3, Russel Wilson, Kap. The trend has already started and the Browns are hot on the coach who best runs this style of offense.
BTW, it looks like the Browns are closing in on Kelly:
Kelly Likely On Way To Browns (http://espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&action=blog&r=19&post_id=10391)
Now, the Browns can go winless next year so they can draft Johnny Football #1 who would be a PERFECT fit to run Kelly's system! :beer:
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Jan 05, 2013, 10:58 AM
Quote from: manonthemoon on Jan 04, 2013, 09:56 PM
There's a big difference in using parts of an offense and using the entire thing in the NFL. I mean the redskins are using a pistol/option based offense, but not all of the time, plus they have the rare advantage of having a world class sprinter who plays qb. Not too many of those in the NFL these days, even though Kap and Wilson are pretty mobil.
http://coachingsearch.com/component/content/article/2153-jerome-bettis-skeptical-about-chip-kellys-offense-in-the-nfl.html (http://coachingsearch.com/component/content/article/2153-jerome-bettis-skeptical-about-chip-kellys-offense-in-the-nfl.html)
I have seen other articles about this in the past and the one thing that is brought up by former linemen usually is that 300 plus NFL lineman are like the smaller ones that Oregon uses in their scheme and wouldn't be able to keep up with the pace. Conversely if you use undersized lineman they won't be affective against NFL Defenses.
He may have some success early on, even if he is stuck with Weeden and the Browns, but the NFL has a way of stoping gimiky offenses like the wildcat and I think even the read option will not last super long as qbs will start getting hurt or someone will come up with an effective way to gameplan for it.
I also think the reason a lot of these offense work as well these days is all of the rules that have been placed that put the defense at a sever disadvantage. Look at all of the over records broken over the past few years and it points to the league making it harder on defenses. But that's an entirely different topic.
Ruckus, what do you think about your hero's tattoo? I am suprised he didn't get it on his feet.
Who says Kelly can't adapt either? This guy obviously has a pretty good offensive mind when you have coaching icons like Bill Bellichick coming cross country to pick your brain in getting ideas to upgrade his offense. If Kelly can help Bellichick introduce pieces of his offense to be run by an immobile Qb like Brady, I think he could also develop a style of offense to fit the personnel he would inherit in Cleveland.
As Ruckus said, there are more and more QB's coming out of college with the tool sets to run at least a variation of what Kelly likes to run. Just look at how many dual threat QB's there are now: Cam Newton, RG3, Russel Wilson, Kap. The trend has already started and the Browns are hot on the coach who best runs this style of offense.
BTW, it looks like the Browns are closing in on Kelly:
Kelly Likely On Way To Browns (http://espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&action=blog&r=19&post_id=10391)
Now, the Browns can go winless next year so they can draft Johnny Football #1 who would be a PERFECT fit to run Kelly's system! :beer:
Well see how it goes, I think it is telling that he is said to prefer McCoy to Weeden, which has to be based on his running ability. I also think that being a defensive and running team by design it will be interesting in how it all pans out.
Anything can happen, but I just think that this trend of running qbs will be short lived as the defenses will catch up schematically.
Quote from: manonthemoon on Jan 04, 2013, 09:56 PM
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Jan 04, 2013, 07:56 PM
Quote from: Ruckus on Jan 04, 2013, 06:03 PM
Quote from: manonthemoon on Jan 04, 2013, 05:25 PM
I don't see how CK will be as successful in the NFL as its such a gimiky offense that would likely kill the offensive linemen due to the pace. With that said the only way I see him leaving is if the rumors that the NCAA hammer is about to come down are true, just like with Carroll at USC.
I don't think it is gimmicky at all. It's unique but its basic tenets are no different than most NFL offenses. The zone read options and bubble screens are widely used in some variation by the Panthers, Redskins and Seahawks to great effect. The Patriots had another prolific year and ran so many damn plays after Bellichick consulted with Kelly and added some of his wrinkles into the Patriots' attack, mainly his fast, faster and fastest concepts.
Think about how hesitant the NFL has been to adopting cutting edge offensive styles. Some of it has to do with how valuable quarterbacks are and some has to do with the fear of failure in a prestigious coaching position. In the NCAA, there are well over a 100 teams alone and it's such fertile breeding ground for new ideas where there isn't as much risk for a coach to try something new in order to overcome talent gaps.
It was only a matter of time before the NFL began adopting spread packages and now with running qbs, even moreso. The one thing Kelly needs is a passing QB with legs, i.e. Wilson. I look forward to his ascension to the pros.
Here's a great Grantland article that came out right before Stanford throttled them this year.
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8631595/the-success-chip-kelly-oregon-ducks-offense-more-familiar-seems (http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8631595/the-success-chip-kelly-oregon-ducks-offense-more-familiar-seems)
Well said Ruckus. When you see gurus like Bellichick going out to pick the brains of Kelly and utilizing some of the principles of his offensive philosophy with a non-mobile qb like Brady, I think it is something that could definitely work in the NFL.
There's a big difference in using parts of an offense and using the entire thing in the NFL. I mean the redskins are using a pistol/option based offense, but not all of the time, plus they have the rare advantage of having a world class sprinter who plays qb. Not too many of those in the NFL these days, even though Kap and Wilson are pretty mobil.
http://coachingsearch.com/component/content/article/2153-jerome-bettis-skeptical-about-chip-kellys-offense-in-the-nfl.html (http://coachingsearch.com/component/content/article/2153-jerome-bettis-skeptical-about-chip-kellys-offense-in-the-nfl.html)
I have seen other articles about this in the past and the one thing that is brought up by former linemen usually is that 300 plus NFL lineman are like the smaller ones that Oregon uses in their scheme and wouldn't be able to keep up with the pace. Conversely if you use undersized lineman they won't be affective against NFL Defenses.
He may have some success early on, even if he is stuck with Weeden and the Browns, but the NFL has a way of stoping gimiky offenses like the wildcat and I think even the read option will not last super long as qbs will start getting hurt or someone will come up with an effective way to gameplan for it.
I also think the reason a lot of these offense work as well these days is all of the rules that have been placed that put the defense at a sever disadvantage. Look at all of the over records broken over the past few years and it points to the league making it harder on defenses. But that's an entirely different topic.
Ruckus, what do you think about your hero's tattoo? I am suprised he didn't get it on his feet.
You make some good points and I'm sure you have some first hand experience as well.
A couple of things: While offenses have improved because of the rule changes (though we don't know how much), I believe the change in offensive styles and the use of the no huddle, hurry ups, and increased pass/run ratio have as much to do with it, even if somewhat a result of the rule changes. The sheer number of plays run now because of play stoppages on incompletes, hurry ups, and big plays would have led to a point increase even if you could crush the qb, a defenseless receiver, or make contact after 5 yards with a receiver.
As to the lineman argument, there are teams that run the zone schemes that have thrived with smaller O Lineman. Sure a 350 lb LT might struggle but I always thought that in any hurry up, the D spent more energy and gets exhausted before the O.
The choice between McCoy and Weeden is a tough one but if he said that, I get where he is coming from. As with Harbaugh taking Kaep over Smith and Carroll taking Wilson over Flynn, good to great mobility and not just functional mobility is required to run these schemes, particularly Kelly's. Ha! Dennis Dixon might be getting a call.
Well, we can end the speculation wrt Kelly and the Browns. Don't know who broke off the talks, but the Browns are no longer in on hiring Kelly and it looks more likely that Kelly will be staying at Oregon to soon be facing NCAA sanctions. Looks like his plan to cut and run from Oregon didn't work out like he planned?
Its gameday! I hope everyone has plans to watch this game, I'm excited, I think it should be a good match up!
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Jan 06, 2013, 09:33 PM
Well, we can end the speculation wrt Kelly and the Browns. Don't know who broke off the talks, but the Browns are no longer in on hiring Kelly and it looks more likely that Kelly will be staying at Oregon to soon be facing NCAA sanctions. Looks like his plan to cut and run from Oregon didn't work out like he planned?
don't know about the sanctions ILB. if the NCAA was sniffing around, dontcha think he'd bail Carroll-style? I think he tried to create a bidding war and overplayed his hand.
Were people being serious when they said Notre Dame could be the team to stop the streak? Please.. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Dec 02, 2012, 12:26 PM
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Dec 02, 2012, 10:41 AM
UGA's defense isn't nearly as good as ND's so I don't think you will see Bama putting up the rushing numbers they did on UGA. That said, I also don't think ND will have the success offensively that UGA had on Bama's defense. I think this one will be lower scoring and closer than many (ESECPN) who are already predicting the NC game won't live up to the hype of the SEC Championship. :rolleyes:
Close game or not, I don't see Bama losing; in fact, I could see it getting ugly early. I think experience will play a key factor. Brian Kelly talks ND getting everyone's "best" each Saturday and they understand pressure? Well, so does Bama. It's just the pressure ND will feel in Miami will be different than the pressure they felt against Purdue, who they beat in South Bend by 3 (that's 6-6 Purdue) or BYU, who they beat in South Bend by 3 (that's 7-5 BYU) or Pitt, who they beat in South Bend by 3 in OT (that's 6-6 Pitt). Saban and the boys have 5 weeks to prepare for the game and they have been here before (like, last year and 2 years before that!). As much as I dislike Alabama and was rooting for UGA yesterday, we all know football is best in the South and that's where the BCS title will live for the 7th consecutive year.
:thumbsup:
A page back, I said Alabama wins the SEC Championship 27-21. The actual score 32-28. I called a win by six and they win by 4.
I called Alabama to win the National Championship by blowing out Notre Dame 38-13. The actual score...42-14. I called a win by 25 and they win by 28.
Seems like I know my stuff :cool:
P.S. I apologize for my attitude this college football season. I just don't like people assuming I'm wrong when it comes to certain sports. :evil:
Quote from: Mahgeetah34 on Dec 01, 2012, 09:22 PM
Win-win situation really. It's the SEC either way! My early predictions have it Alabama-38 Notre Dame-13. I do hope Manti Te'o gets Heisman though. The guy deserves it!
Mahgeetah34 I do not question your superior college football intelligence, but do you still think Te'O deserved the heisman?
Crazy to think had Ohio State been eligible, they would have played Notre Dame. This playoff system can not come soon enough!
Quote from: yakeroo on Jan 08, 2013, 03:32 AM
Quote from: Mahgeetah34 on Dec 01, 2012, 09:22 PM
Win-win situation really. It's the SEC either way! My early predictions have it Alabama-38 Notre Dame-13. I do hope Manti Te'o gets Heisman though. The guy deserves it!
Mahgeetah34 I do not question your superior college football intelligence, but do you still think Te'O deserved the heisman?
Crazy to think had Ohio State been eligible, they would have played Notre Dame. This playoff system can not come soon enough!
It seems I was wrong on one thing. Football Jonathan deserved the trophy rather than Manti Te'o. It would've been nice to see ole Manti win it though...he seems like a good character.
Ohio State is in the "powerful" big ten. Playoff scenario and Alabama beats both teams 9 times out of 10. Urban and Nick are both pieces of trash though.
Haha why is Saban trash? You have got to admit he is probably one of, if not the best, college football coach we have seen in our lifetime.
Alabama plays at Texas A&M next year. I got to think the outcome will be much different the next go round.
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jan 08, 2013, 12:06 AM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Dec 02, 2012, 12:26 PM
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Dec 02, 2012, 10:41 AM
UGA's defense isn't nearly as good as ND's so I don't think you will see Bama putting up the rushing numbers they did on UGA. That said, I also don't think ND will have the success offensively that UGA had on Bama's defense. I think this one will be lower scoring and closer than many (ESECPN) who are already predicting the NC game won't live up to the hype of the SEC Championship. :rolleyes:
Close game or not, I don't see Bama losing; in fact, I could see it getting ugly early. I think experience will play a key factor. Brian Kelly talks ND getting everyone's "best" each Saturday and they understand pressure? Well, so does Bama. It's just the pressure ND will feel in Miami will be different than the pressure they felt against Purdue, who they beat in South Bend by 3 (that's 6-6 Purdue) or BYU, who they beat in South Bend by 3 (that's 7-5 BYU) or Pitt, who they beat in South Bend by 3 in OT (that's 6-6 Pitt). Saban and the boys have 5 weeks to prepare for the game and they have been here before (like, last year and 2 years before that!). As much as I dislike Alabama and was rooting for UGA yesterday, we all know football is best in the South and that's where the BCS title will live for the 7th consecutive year.
:thumbsup:
Easiest money I ever made. I love how Urban Meyer had the Irish winning a close one.
Quote from: yakeroo on Jan 08, 2013, 07:33 AM
Alabama plays at Texas A&M next year. I got to think the outcome will be much different the next go round.
Much different than losing? Maybe. I dunno, A & M is going to be really good next year. September can't come soon enough :cool:
Quote from: yakeroo on Jan 08, 2013, 07:33 AM
Haha why is Saban trash? You have got to admit he is probably one of, if not the best, college football coach we have seen in our lifetime.
Alabama plays at Texas A&M next year. I got to think the outcome will be much different the next go round.
Nick Saban is a great coach. He always has his team disciplined and ready to play. As an individual, he's trash because he doesn't have the best character although Urban's "fake death" probably beats that.
This video always brings me laughs
Nick Saban Failure as a human being.mpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LNA4eiqw4s#)
Quote from: Mahgeetah34 on Jan 08, 2013, 12:43 AM
A page back, I said Alabama wins the SEC Championship 27-21. The actual score 32-28. I called a win by six and they win by 4.
I called Alabama to win the National Championship by blowing out Notre Dame 38-13. The actual score...42-14. I called a win by 25 and they win by 28.
Seems like I know my stuff :cool:
P.S. I apologize for my attitude this college football season. I just don't like people assuming I'm wrong when it comes to certain sports. :evil:
Had to quote myself since my wondrous predictions got buried behind on the last page. Where are all of the 'Notre Dame's defense won't allow a blowout' and 'The national title game will be better than the SEC championship' people at?
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jan 08, 2013, 08:36 AM
Quote from: yakeroo on Jan 08, 2013, 07:33 AM
Alabama plays at Texas A&M next year. I got to think the outcome will be much different the next go round.
Much different than losing? Maybe. I dunno, A & M is going to be really good next year. September can't come soon enough :cool:
I'm all over the A&M bandwagon but I prematurely tend to agree with yakeroo. I know a lot of scouts have Damontre Moore and Luke Joeckels rated as the top DE and LT and both are likely gone, Moore is for sure. Manziel is also losing his top 3 WRs. Meanwhile Bama just reloads and aside from their Oline, doesn't seem to be losing much anywhere else.
Alabama has a favorable schedule to repeat next year. I believe their defense will be better than this years. Replacing the line will be tough but hopefully Fluker stays. Saban will be better prepared for Johnny Heisman ala Tebow the second go round. I can see Jockels going top 5 in the draft. No way he stays. I believe they also lose 6 defensive starters.
Their biggest challenge will be in the SEC championship. If they can get through that, I believe it will be Alabama Vs. Oregon in Pasadena. That is if Stanford does not ruin Oregon's chances.
I would love to see a Alabama, Oregon, Ohio State, and whoever winds up fourth in a playoff next year. Guess that will not happen till after next year. Like Tracy said, September can not come soon enough!
It's funny to think that is considered an "easy" schedule for Bama. Then again they don't have to play themselves. In a very down year for the Big 10, I admit I enjoyed college football quite a bit. The talent gulf between top SEC teams and most other conference bigs is just ridiculous right now. I wonder if there will ever be a shift back to more parity.
Quote from: Ruckus on Jan 09, 2013, 11:05 AM
It's funny to think that is considered an "easy" schedule for Bama. Then again they don't have to play themselves. In a very down year for the Big 10, I admit I enjoyed college football quite a bit. The talent gulf between top SEC teams and most other conference bigs is just ridiculous right now. I wonder if there will ever be a shift back to more parity.
Tough to bridge the gap between a conference like the SEC and the B1G when the SEC applies two things the B1G frowns upon for the most part and that is oversigning and shipping recruits off to JUCO's for a year or two to allow them to develop there.
The SEC is very fortunate that most of the high school recruits come from the South were football is king, with Florida and Texas leading the way. You coulple that with IMO the best head coachs, alumni with lots of money to give to the program, then throw in very rabid fan bases and its a combination that is just condusive to having a great football program.
it's's a thing when you are in the uniform you like you like the guy but if the guy is on this uniform the other of the team you are like meh don't like it and it is the same guiy so its isn't not relaly none of that anyway
and to like it
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Absolutely football is king in the south just like basketball is in the north. Nearly ALL of the best players come from high schools down here. California makes quarterbacks and running backs; however, I'm not sure why top recruits keep signing to USC. They're very overrated and haven't been relevant lately.
As for this fall, what's LSU and Florida's chances at a national title? Im thinking Alabama slips up and ends up with a 11-2 season narrowly missing the title game.
Mahgeetah's early predictions have it: LSU-31 Oregon-25 in Pasadena...just kidding, but seriously though who do you think will be in it?
Quote from: manonthemoon on Jan 09, 2013, 07:41 PM
alumni with lots of money to give to the program...
And players... :rolleyes:
My instincts suggest that Manti was the victim of the hoax rather than in on it. The person behind the hoax is actually two people, Nick Saban and Urban Meyer, two of college football's most honest individuals. They pranked Manti to ensure the SEC wins 7 straight titles and Urban joined in because he figured 'why not? I'm on probation this year so let me assist Nick on this.'
Seriously though, what's everyone's thoughts? I guess we'll find out the details when Manti makes his official statement tomorrow...
Lennay Is Not Real
Quote from: Mahgeetah34 on Jan 16, 2013, 10:16 PM
My instincts suggest that Manti was the victim of the hoax rather than in on it. The person behind the hoax is actually two people, Nick Saban and Urban Meyer, two of college football's most honest individuals. They pranked Manti to ensure the SEC wins 7 straight titles and Urban joined in because he figured 'why not? I'm on probation this year so let me assist Nick on this.'
Seriously though, what's everyone's thoughts? I guess we'll find out the details when Manti makes his official statement tomorrow...
I have a really hard time believing he was that emotionally involved with someone he never met face to face. If he lived on a deserted island? Perhaps. If he was some pimple faced dorm rat majoring in computer science? Maybe. But a fairly decent looking guy, who is obviously physically fit, star of the team, big man on campus, destined to make NFL $$, and cannot get any face-to-face intimacy? And he is OK with this, keeping a long distance relationship with someone he has never "met". I dunno, sounds fishy.
My instincts are that this feels exactly the same as when the Tiger Woods story started to break. We can't have anywhere near the full story yet, and chances are it isn't going to be pretty for anybody involved. On the other hand, it's good to know that investigative journalism still exists in somewhere in America, otherwise this never would have come out.
Also, I can't wait to get a good laugh out of the twitter jokes that are bound to pop up.
That story is such a silly soap opera. It's embarassing to care as a sports fan. I'm no scout but I don't see Teo going in the 1st round at all. He doesn't have it.
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jan 16, 2013, 11:45 PM
Quote from: Mahgeetah34 on Jan 16, 2013, 10:16 PM
My instincts suggest that Manti was the victim of the hoax rather than in on it. The person behind the hoax is actually two people, Nick Saban and Urban Meyer, two of college football's most honest individuals. They pranked Manti to ensure the SEC wins 7 straight titles and Urban joined in because he figured 'why not? I'm on probation this year so let me assist Nick on this.'
Seriously though, what's everyone's thoughts? I guess we'll find out the details when Manti makes his official statement tomorrow...
I have a really hard time believing he was that emotionally involved with someone he never met face to face. If he lived on a deserted island? Perhaps. If he was some pimple faced dorm rat majoring in computer science? Maybe. But a fairly decent looking guy, who is obviously physically fit, star of the team, big man on campus, destined to make NFL $$, and cannot get any face-to-face intimacy? And he is OK with this, keeping a long distance relationship with someone he has never "met". I dunno, sounds fishy.
Exactly what you stated would be my only reason to think he'd be in on it. I tend to think he isn't though because watching his interview tonight from the original college gameday story, he showed some really great emotion when describing the situation. It is quite hard to believe that he couldn't get a girlfriend on campus. If he is indeed in on it, he's needs to replace Denzel as the best actor of our day.
I do hope Manti Te'o gets Heisman though. The guy deserves it!
It would've been nice to see ole Manti win it though...he seems like a good character.
Seems you got trolled Mahgeetah34. Ha, that is what you get for hating on Saban.
I have not really been keeping up with this whole story, but what is the motive behind him lying this whole time. Was it for money?
South Bend Tribune took this off their website:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Gsq3BkqY4-oJ:articles.southbendtribune.com/2012-10-12/sports/34419536_1_brian-and-ottilia-manti-te-o-irish-head-coach+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Gsq3BkqY4-oJ:articles.southbendtribune.com/2012-10-12/sports/34419536_1_brian-and-ottilia-manti-te-o-irish-head-coach+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a)
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:EHF-KIDUh90J:articles.southbendtribune.com/2012-10-12/sports/34419536_1_brian-and-ottilia-manti-te-o-irish-head-coach/2+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:EHF-KIDUh90J:articles.southbendtribune.com/2012-10-12/sports/34419536_1_brian-and-ottilia-manti-te-o-irish-head-coach/2+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a)
Pretty interesting article from back in October.
Quote from: yakeroo on Jan 17, 2013, 12:10 AM
I do hope Manti Te'o gets Heisman though. The guy deserves it!
It would've been nice to see ole Manti win it though...he seems like a good character.
Seems you got trolled Mahgeetah34. Ha, that is what you get for hating on Saban.
I have not really been keeping up with this whole story, but what is the motive behind him lying this whole time. Was it for money?
Haha stop posting off your cell phone yakeroo. The posts get jumbled up and ran together. Seriously though, Im still going with that he wasn't in on it.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/16/reagan-mauia-says-lennay-kekua-is-real/ (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/16/reagan-mauia-says-lennay-kekua-is-real/)
Quote from: The DARK on Jan 16, 2013, 11:47 PM
My instincts are that this feels exactly the same as when the Tiger Woods story started to break. We can't have anywhere near the full story yet, and chances are it isn't going to be pretty for anybody involved. On the other hand, it's good to know that investigative journalism still exists in somewhere in America, otherwise this never would have come out.
Also, I can't wait to get a good laugh out of the twitter jokes that are bound to pop up.
I think you're right, and we will be getting way more details as this continues to unfold.
Here's a great little twitter joke that I came across:
@moorethink: We know Manti's girlfriend isn't real because Brent Musburger would've lusted after her by now
There are a ton of awesome jokes popping up.
"Manti wasn't missing tackles in the title game. He was just hugging his girlfriend."
(https://o.twimg.com/1/proxy.jpg?t=FQQVBBgpaHR0cHM6Ly90d2l0cGljLmNvbS9zaG93L2xhcmdlL2J2dHFmZy5qcGcUAhYAEgA&s=QsPl-Smo4bglPNbVnwOsnQ1gsq77Yb-JVyw6U2EogFw)
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e189/RollTideTA/teo.gif)
I question his judgement sure, but after hearing everything so far, I think he actually was duped.
For him to actually have been duped, a real life woman would've had to have posed as his gf, right? Aren't there interviews where he or a family member states having met this girl or something along the lines of 'she visited the family...' I remember reading that somewhere. So, they must've met the fake, catfish girl?? Also, on Mike and Mike this morning, they talked about the fullback from the Cardinals who claims to have met the actual Lennay while doing charity work in the Polynesian Islands. So now she ISN'T fake? None of this adds up.
Plus, that poor guy at the press conf last night. He kept contradicting himself and getting the fake facts wrong and it was just a mess.
Plus plus, in ND's offical statement, they said that both Te'o and the school knew of the 'hoax' on Dec 26th. The fact that they never had a presser to at least acknowledge this says something. They could've simply said there was an investigation ongoing and details would be released when they knew more. Why would you not say anything and risk having a story like this broken by a site like deadspin? Clearly, ND intended to sweep this under the rug forever and now is scrambling because deadspin broke the story.
It's just such a crazy mess. I can't wait to find out more.
Quote from: BH on Jan 17, 2013, 10:01 AM
I question his judgement sure, but after hearing everything so far, I think he actually was duped.
There are too many questions I have that need answered before I start to think he was actually duped.
For one thing, if this girl was TRULY the love of his life and she was in the hospital dying of Lukemia, why did he not go to be with her? Also, why did he not go be with her when she was in that supposed car accident? If this were someone I was in love with, at the very least, I would have wanted to be with them in their final days?! And then, he didn't even attend this supposed love of his life's funeral? These are just a few of the many things that don't add up for me.
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Jan 17, 2013, 11:02 AM
Quote from: BH on Jan 17, 2013, 10:01 AM
I question his judgement sure, but after hearing everything so far, I think he actually was duped.
There are too many questions I have that need answered before I start to think he was actually duped.
For one thing, if this girl was TRULY the love of his life and she was in the hospital dying of Lukemia, why did he not go to be with her? Also, why did he not go be with her when she was in that supposed car accident? If this were someone I was in love with, at the very least, I would have wanted to be with them in their final days?! And then, he didn't even attend this supposed love of his life's funeral? These are just a few of the many things that don't add up for me.
Great points, and ones that raise my suspicions too. Evn if he never actually met her in person, how in this day and age could he have not at least Skyped, or Facetimed with her? He says he spent eight hours a night on the phone with her but never did any of those others? Smells a bit fishy to me, and I don't mean Catfishy.
Quote from: joey_rogo on Jan 17, 2013, 10:43 AM
Clearly, ND intended to sweep this under the rug forever and now is scrambling because deadspin broke the story.
I know little about this story and dont care to know anything more about it, but Im guessing ND was busier sweeping this story under the rug
http://www.thenation.com/blog/172042/notre-dame-and-penn-state-two-rape-scandals-only-one-cry-justice?fb_action_ids=10151401609568767&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%7B%2210151401609568767%22%3A116288775209734%7D&action_type_map=%7B%2210151401609568767%22%3A%22og.likes%22%7D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D# (http://www.thenation.com/blog/172042/notre-dame-and-penn-state-two-rape-scandals-only-one-cry-justice?fb_action_ids=10151401609568767&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%7B%2210151401609568767%22%3A116288775209734%7D&action_type_map=%7B%2210151401609568767%22%3A%22og.likes%22%7D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D#)
Two storied college football programs. Two rape scandals. Only one national outcry. How do we begin to explain the exponentially different levels of attention paid to crimes of violence and power at Penn State and Notre Dame?
At Penn State, revered assistant coach Jerry Sandusky was raping young boys while being shielded by a conspiracy of silence of those in power at the football powerhouse. At Notre Dame, it's not young boys being raped by an assistant coach. It's women being threatened, assaulted, and raped by players on the school's unbeaten football team. Yet sports media that are overwhelmingly male and ineffably giddy about Fighting Irish football's return to prominence have enacted their own conspiracy of silence.
As unbeaten Notre Dame prepares to play in tonight's national championship game against Alabama, the sports media have chosen not to discuss the fact that this football team has two players on its roster suspected of sexual assault and rape; two players whose crimes have been ignored; two players whose accusers felt harassed and intimidated; two players whose presence on the field Monday night should be seen as a national disgrace.
The main reason this is taking place is because their accusers are not pressing charges. One cannot, because she is dead. Nineteen-year-old Lizzy Seeberg, a student at neighboring St. Mary's College, took her own life after her claims of being assaulted in a dorm room were met with threats and indifference. The other accuser, despite description of a brutal rape, won't file charges—"absolutely 100%"—because of what Seeberg experienced.
Lizzy Seeberg was a first semester freshman and from a family of Notre Dame graduates. After an evening when she socialized with members of the football team, Lizzy came forward with accusations of a sexual assault. After writing out a statement and submitting to medical attention, she received texts from another member of the team that read, "Don't do anything you would regret" and "Messing with Notre Dame football is a bad idea."
To show that she wouldn't rock the boat, Lizzy was compelled by her peers to go to the next game, stencil the Notre Dame logos into her face and cheer her assaulter. As Melinda Henneberger, a Washington Post reporter and Notre Dame alum who has investigated the sexual assaults on campus extensively, wrote, "On Sept. 7, she wrote her therapist, 'I can't get out of this f*!#ing hole I've started to dig. I'm trying to go to sleep because I'm sick with a cold and need to get rest but I can't stop thinking about taking all the pills I can find. I'm ready to check out because this sucks.' She promised [her therapist] she would never follow through. But then, on Sept. 9, she had a panic attack during a mandatory freshman orientation on sexual assault."
That panic attack preceded her suicide. If in life Lizzy Seeberg suffered at the hands of not only players on the team but the people in power who ignored her pleas, in death these forces have gone further and slandered her to a shocking degree. They have claimed Lizzy was a "troubled girl" who was "all over the boy", as well as mentally unstable. As Henneberger wrote, "The damage to her memory since then is arguably more of a violation than anything she reported to police — and all the more shocking because it was not done thoughtlessly, by a kid in a moment he can't take back, but on purpose, by the very adults who heavily market the moral leadership of a Catholic institution. Notre Dame's mission statement could not be clearer: 'The university is dedicated to the pursuit and sharing of truth for its own sake.' But in this case, the university did just the opposite."
School President Reverend John I. Jenkins has shown no public regard or concern for the fact that his school has become a place where women alumni warn prospective female students that rape has become a part of campus life. Football coach Brian Kelly, to his shame, treated questions about Lizzy's suicide as a joke.
But this conspiracy of silence and slander is bigger than just the school. Deindustrialized South Bend, Indiana, is a company town, and the company is Notre Dame football. The football program in 2012 was valued by Forbes as the third "most valuable" in the country, behind far larger state universities in Texas and Michigan. This is just the formal economy. Informally, every hotel, every bar, every kid at the side of the road selling bottled water depends on Notre Dame football. Home games generate $10 million in local spending for a community of just 100,000 people. It is the beating economic heart of South Bend and women have become, in this sclerotic set up, the collateral damage.
But the cone of silence that surrounds a company college football town is not enough to understand why Penn State's rape scandal was front-page news the second the Sandusky scandal went public and Notre Dame has been largely protected by the press. The only answer that makes sense is that raping women has become "normalized" in our culture, while raping little boys has not. The only answer that makes sense is that the rape of a young boy sets all sorts of alarms of horror in the minds of the very male sports media, while the rape of women does not. The only answer that makes sense is that it's been internalized that while boys are helpless in the face of a predator, women are responsible for their assault. The accusers are the accused.
This is not just a Notre Dame issue. At too many universities, too many football players are schooled to see women as the spoils of being a campus god. But it's also an issue beyond the commodification of women on a big football campus. It's the fruit of a culture where politicians can write laws that aim to define the difference between "rape" and "forcible rape" and candidates for the Senate can speak about pregnancy from rape being either a "gift from God" or biologically impossible in the case of "legitimate rape." It's a culture where comedians like Daniel Tosh or Tucker Max can joke about violently raping, as Max puts it, a "gender hardwired for whoredom." The themes of power, rape and lack of accountability are just as clear in the case of the Steubenville, Ohio, football players not only boasting that they "so raped" an unconscious girl but feeling confident enough to videotape their boasts.
As Jessica Valenti wrote at TheNation.com, "It's time to acknowledge that the rape epidemic in the United States is not just about the crimes themselves, but our own cultural and political willful ignorance. Rape is as American as apple pie—until we own that, nothing will change."
If the sports media is any indicator, we're nowhere close to owning this reality. Instead, on Monday night, much of the country will cheer for the Fighting Irish of old Notre Dame. It's as American as apple pie.
After all the research that ND surely did with the private investigators, I cannot imagine that they would get behind Te'o if they at least didn't believe he was duped. If he was in on it, I guarantee there would be evidence somewhere. And ND would not want to look stupid. The only possible scenario would be if ND hired a company to do a complete CIA style sweep of all the communication and evidence in an attempt to cover for Te'o. And that is a stretch in my opinion.
Starting to lean more on the side of him being in on this, or at the very least, using the story for good pub, and taking advantage of it. This article brings up some of the questions I've had since hearing this story, and raises some more that I didn't know about.e.g him talking about her after knowing she didn't exist.
A bit long, but interesting, IMO.
By TOM COYNE, AP
SOUTH BEND, Ind. — Not once but twice after he supposedly discovered his online girlfriend of three years never even existed, Notre Dame All-American linebacker Manti Te'o perpetuated the heartbreaking story about her death.
An Associated Press review of news coverage found that the Heisman Trophy runner-up talked about his doomed love in a Web interview on Dec. 8 and again in a newspaper interview published Dec. 10. He and the university said Wednesday that he learned on Dec. 6 that it was all a hoax, that not only wasn't she dead, she wasn't real.
On Thursday, a day after Te'o's inspiring, playing-through-heartache story was exposed as a bizarre lie, Te'o and Notre Dame faced questions from sports writers and fans about whether he really was duped, as he claimed, or whether he and the university were complicit in the hoax and misled the public, perhaps to improve his chances of winning the Heisman.
Yahoo sports columnist Dan Wetzel said the case has "left everyone wondering whether this was really the case of a naïve football player done wrong by friends or a fabrication that has yet to play to its conclusion."
Gregg Doyel, national columnist for CBSSports.com, was more direct.
"Nothing about this story has been comprehensible, or logical, and that extends to what happens next," he wrote. "I cannot comprehend Manti Te'o saying anything that could make me believe he was a victim."
On Wednesday, Te'o and Notre Dame athletic director Jack Swarbrick said the player was drawn into a virtual romance with a woman who used the phony name Lennay Kekua, and was fooled into believing she died of leukemia in September. They said his only contact with the woman was via the Internet and telephone.
Te'o also lost his grandmother — for real — the same day his girlfriend supposedly died, and his role in leading Notre Dame to its best season in decades endeared him to fans and put him at the center of college football's biggest feel-good story of the year.
Relying on information provided by Te'o's family members, the South Bend Tribune reported in October that Te'o and Kekua first met, in person, in 2009, and that the two had also gotten together in Hawaii, where Te'o grew up.
Sports Illustrated posted a previously unpublished transcript of a one-on-one interview with Te'o from Sept. 23. In it, he goes into great detail about his relationship with Kekua and her physical ailments. He also mentioned meeting her for the first time after a game in California.
"We met just, ummmm, just she knew my cousin. And kind of saw me there so. Just kind of regular," he told SI.
Among the outstanding questions Thursday: Why didn't Te'o ever clarify the nature of his relationship as the story took on a life of its own?
Te'o's agent, Tom Condon, said the athlete had no plans to make any public statements Thursday in Bradenton, Fla., where he has been training with other NFL hopefuls at the IMG Academy.
Notre Dame said Te'o found out that Kekua was not a real person through a phone call he received at an awards ceremony in Orlando, Fla., on Dec. 6. He told Notre Dame coaches about the situation on Dec. 26.
The AP's media review turned up two instances during that gap when the football star mentioned Kekua in public.
Te'o was in New York for the Heisman presentation on Dec. 8 and, during an interview before the ceremony that ran on the WSBT.com, the website for a South Bend TV station, Te'o said: "I mean, I don't like cancer at all. I lost both my grandparents and my girlfriend to cancer. So I've really tried to go to children's hospitals and see, you know, children."
In a column that first ran in The Los Angeles Times, on Dec. 10, Te'o recounted why he played a few days after he found out Kekua died in September, and the day she was supposedly buried.
"She made me promise, when it happened, that I would stay and play," he said on Dec. 9 while attending a ceremony in Newport Beach, Calif., for the Lott Impact Awards.
On Wednesday, when Deadspin.com broke the story, Swarbrick said Notre Dame did not go public with its findings sooner because it expected the Te'o family to come forward first.
Asked if the NCAA was monitoring the Te'o story for possible rules violations, NCAA President Mark Emmert said:
"We don't know anything more than you do," he told reporters at the organization's convention in Dallas. "We're learning about this through the stories just the same as you are. But we have to wait and see what really transpired there. It's obviously (a) very disturbing story and it's hard to tell where the facts lie at this point.
"But Notre Dame is obviously looking into it and there will be a lot more to come forward. Right now, it just looks ... well, we don't know what the facts are, so I shouldn't comment beyond that."
Reporters were turned away at the main gate of IMG's sprawling, secure complex. Te'o remained on the grounds, said a person familiar with situation who spoke on condition of anonymity because neither Te'o nor IMG authorized the release of the information.
"This whole thing is so nutsy that I believe it only could have happened at Notre Dame, where mythology trumps common sense on a daily basis. ... Given the choice between reality and fiction, Notre Dame always will choose fiction," sports writer Rick Telander said in the Chicago Sun-Times.
"Which brings me to what I believe is the real reason Te'o and apparently his father, at least went along with this scheme: the Heisman Trophy.
Chicago Tribune columnist John Kass blasted both Te'o and Notre Dame.
"When your girlfriend dying of leukemia after suffering a car crash tells you she loves you, even if it might help you win the Heisman Trophy, you check it out," he said.
He said the university's failure to call a news conference and go public sooner means "Notre Dame is complicit in the lie."
"The school fell in love with the Te'o girlfriend myth," he wrote.
Well, this DID happen. Ole Miss lands the top WR prospect in the nation.
Laquon Treadwell picks Ole Miss
Laquon Treadwell (Crete, Ill./Crete-Monee), the No. 1 wide receiver and No. 19 prospect in the ESPN 150, committed to Ole Miss on Thursday, choosing the Rebels over Oklahoma and Oklahoma State.
"There was one school that built a great relationship with me and my mother," he said. "This fall I will be playing my football at the University of Ole Miss."
Treadwell had the Rebels as his leader for quite some time after previously holding Michigan in the No. 1 spot. There were even a few times throughout the process where it looked like Treadwell would pull the trigger for the Wolverines.
Getting a commitment from top-ranked ESPN 150 wide receiver Laquon Treadwell was big for Ole Miss and it could be a sign of things to come for the Rebels -- who have their eyes on No. 1 overall ESPN 150 prospect Robert Nkemdiche, writes Dave Hooker. Blog
But he decided to take his time and ultimately use his official visits, which led him to the three finalists.
"The recruiting process was something I took very seriously, but had a lot of fun with," he said. "I took my time in the process so I could make the right choice for myself."
The decision to choose Ole Miss, while surprising to some, wasn't completely out of the blue for Treadwell. His former high school teammate and close friend, Anthony Standifer, is a defensive back at Ole Miss. Standifer initially got Treadwell interested in the Rebels, and coach Hugh Freeze and his staff did the rest.
While the Rebels still could land another huge fish in defensive end Robert Nkemdiche (Loganville, Ga./Grayson), this is the first big splash for Freeze.
"I wanted to be a part of something special," Treadwell said. "The program is on the rise with the new coaching staff. (Freeze) is changing the culture, and I want to be a part of changing the Rebel culture."
Treadwell gives Ole Miss 21 commitments, 11 of whom are four-star prospects. Treadwell is the first ESPN 150 commit and the highest-ranked commitment in the class.
Ok to recap things this college football season (2012-2013) I did the following:
1.)Called the national champion to be from the SEC
2.)STILL called the national champion to be from the SEC after Alabama lost to Texas A&M by saying two of the three unbeaten teams will fall
3.) Had the SEC Championship victory margin accurate within 2 points
4.)The national title game victory margin accurate within 3 points
5.) And now unless proven otherwise, Manti Te'o is indeed innocent.
Im just waiting on ESPN to contact me for a job offer on College Football Gameday :grin: :thumbsup: :cool:
P.S. I may have to retract my Oregon in the 2013-2014 national title game now that Chip Kelly has left
Quote from: Mahgeetah34 on Jan 19, 2013, 08:21 PM
Ok to recap things this college football season (2012-2013) I did the following:
1.)Called the national champion to be from the SEC
2.)STILL called the national champion to be from the SEC after Alabama lost to Texas A&M by saying two of the three unbeaten teams will fall
3.) Had the SEC Championship victory margin accurate within 2 points
4.)The national title game victory margin accurate within 3 points
5.) And now unless proven otherwise, Manti Te'o is indeed innocent.
Im just waiting on ESPN to contact me for a job offer on College Football Gameday :grin: :thumbsup: :cool:
How long did it take you to learn how to blow yourself?
Quote from: capt. scotty on Jan 19, 2013, 08:50 PM
Quote from: Mahgeetah34 on Jan 19, 2013, 08:21 PM
Ok to recap things this college football season (2012-2013) I did the following:
1.)Called the national champion to be from the SEC
2.)STILL called the national champion to be from the SEC after Alabama lost to Texas A&M by saying two of the three unbeaten teams will fall
3.) Had the SEC Championship victory margin accurate within 2 points
4.)The national title game victory margin accurate within 3 points
5.) And now unless proven otherwise, Manti Te'o is indeed innocent.
Im just waiting on ESPN to contact me for a job offer on College Football Gameday :grin: :thumbsup: :cool:
How long did it take you to learn how to blow yourself?
I was only joking. No need for harsh terminology sir.
Quote from: Mahgeetah34 on Jan 19, 2013, 10:54 PM
Quote from: capt. scotty on Jan 19, 2013, 08:50 PM
Quote from: Mahgeetah34 on Jan 19, 2013, 08:21 PM
Ok to recap things this college football season (2012-2013) I did the following:
1.)Called the national champion to be from the SEC
2.)STILL called the national champion to be from the SEC after Alabama lost to Texas A&M by saying two of the three unbeaten teams will fall
3.) Had the SEC Championship victory margin accurate within 2 points
4.)The national title game victory margin accurate within 3 points
5.) And now unless proven otherwise, Manti Te'o is indeed innocent.
Im just waiting on ESPN to contact me for a job offer on College Football Gameday :grin: :thumbsup: :cool:
How long did it take you to learn how to blow yourself?
I was only joking. No need for harsh terminology sir.
Seems to be alot of that throughout the forum these days.
Quote from: Mahgeetah34 on Jan 19, 2013, 08:21 PM
Ok to recap things this college football season (2012-2013) I did the following:
1.)Called the national champion to be from the SEC
2.)STILL called the national champion to be from the SEC after Alabama lost to Texas A&M by saying two of the three unbeaten teams will fall
3.) Had the SEC Championship victory margin accurate within 2 points
4.)The national title game victory margin accurate within 3 points
5.) And now unless proven otherwise, Manti Te'o is indeed innocent.
Im just waiting on ESPN to contact me for a job offer on College Football Gameday :grin: :thumbsup: :cool:
P.S. I may have to retract my Oregon in the 2013-2014 national title game now that Chip Kelly has left
Can you let me know who's winning the championship next year so I can bet my entire farm on a good futures bet next time i'm in vegas?
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jan 17, 2013, 09:46 PM
Well, this DID happen. Ole Miss lands the top WR prospect in the nation.
Laquon Treadwell picks Ole Miss
Laquon Treadwell (Crete, Ill./Crete-Monee), the No. 1 wide receiver and No. 19 prospect in the ESPN 150, committed to Ole Miss on Thursday, choosing the Rebels over Oklahoma and Oklahoma State.
"There was one school that built a great relationship with me and my mother," he said. "This fall I will be playing my football at the University of Ole Miss."
Treadwell had the Rebels as his leader for quite some time after previously holding Michigan in the No. 1 spot. There were even a few times throughout the process where it looked like Treadwell would pull the trigger for the Wolverines.
Getting a commitment from top-ranked ESPN 150 wide receiver Laquon Treadwell was big for Ole Miss and it could be a sign of things to come for the Rebels -- who have their eyes on No. 1 overall ESPN 150 prospect Robert Nkemdiche, writes Dave Hooker. Blog
But he decided to take his time and ultimately use his official visits, which led him to the three finalists.
"The recruiting process was something I took very seriously, but had a lot of fun with," he said. "I took my time in the process so I could make the right choice for myself."
The decision to choose Ole Miss, while surprising to some, wasn't completely out of the blue for Treadwell. His former high school teammate and close friend, Anthony Standifer, is a defensive back at Ole Miss. Standifer initially got Treadwell interested in the Rebels, and coach Hugh Freeze and his staff did the rest.
While the Rebels still could land another huge fish in defensive end Robert Nkemdiche (Loganville, Ga./Grayson), this is the first big splash for Freeze.
"I wanted to be a part of something special," Treadwell said. "The program is on the rise with the new coaching staff. (Freeze) is changing the culture, and I want to be a part of changing the Rebel culture."
Treadwell gives Ole Miss 21 commitments, 11 of whom are four-star prospects. Treadwell is the first ESPN 150 commit and the highest-ranked commitment in the class.
Looks like they're backing up the Brinks trucks in Oxford... :tongue:
Quote from: Mahgeetah34 on Jan 19, 2013, 10:54 PM
Quote from: capt. scotty on Jan 19, 2013, 08:50 PM
Quote from: Mahgeetah34 on Jan 19, 2013, 08:21 PM
Ok to recap things this college football season (2012-2013) I did the following:
1.)Called the national champion to be from the SEC
2.)STILL called the national champion to be from the SEC after Alabama lost to Texas A&M by saying two of the three unbeaten teams will fall
3.) Had the SEC Championship victory margin accurate within 2 points
4.)The national title game victory margin accurate within 3 points
5.) And now unless proven otherwise, Manti Te'o is indeed innocent.
Im just waiting on ESPN to contact me for a job offer on College Football Gameday :grin: :thumbsup: :cool:
How long did it take you to learn how to blow yourself?
I was only joking. No need for harsh terminology sir.
As was I? :bath: